Zonal Titles

[Bill Gletsos]

The following FIDE Titles (excluding CM and WCM) have been awarded from Oceania Zonals since 1999.

1999 Gold Coast
IM
FELDMAN, Valdimir
BEREZINA-FELDMAN, Irina
SMERDON, David

FM
KULASHKO, Alexsei (NZL)
REILLY, Tim
SAW, Geoff
TINDALL, Brett
WEEKS, Manuel
REEVES, Tristan
DWYER, Daniel
STAWSKI, Nik
ZHAO, Zong Yuan
SZUVEGES, Grant

WIM
MOYLAN, Laura

WFM
JOHNS-PUTRA, Geraldine
SZUVEGES, Narelle

2000 Auckland
IM
ZHAO, Zong Yuan
KER, Anthony (NZL)

FM
WATSON, Bruce (NZL)
LUKEY, Stephen (NZL)

2001 Gold Coast
IM
CHAPMAN, Mark

FM
WASTNEY, Scott (NZL)
ALLEN, Andrew
JONES, Lee

WIM
KOSHNITSKY, Ngan

2002 Fiji
IM
RUJEVIC, Mirko

FM
JONES, Brian
GREEN, Peter (NZL)

WIM
LANE, Nancy

WFM
LIP, Catherine

2005 Auckland
IM
GARBETT, Paul (NZL)

FM
HUMPHREY, Jonathon
GUTHIE, Aaron

WIM
SZUVEGES, Narelle

WFM
SONG, Angela
OLIVER, Shannon

2007 Fiji
IM
WANG, Puchen (NZL)

FM
MORRIS, James
NAKAUCHI, Gene

WIM
JULE, Alexandra

WFM
MAROROA, Sue (NZL)
HARRIS, Rebecca

2009 Gold Coast
IM
MORRIS, James

FM
CHENG, Bobby
STEADMAN, Mike (NZL)

WIM
MAROROA, Sue (NZL)

WFM
REID, Vaness
GUO, Emma

2011 Rotorua
IM
BROWN, Andrew

FM
LY, Mouthun
OLIVER, Gareth

WIM
GUO, Emma

WFM
SETIABUDI, Megan
TSOI, Nicole (NZL)

2013 Fiji
IM
BJELOBRK, Igor
DALE, Ari

FM
SMIRNOV, Anton
TAN, Justin (Actually awarded the FM title based on rating in early June following the rating of the event)

WIM
JAREK, Katherine

WFM
NARENTHRAN, Savithri
VUKIKOMOALA, Hilda (FIJ)

2015 Sydney
IM
McCLYMONT, Brodie

FM
CHEN, Pengyu
LOH, Zachary
O'CHEE, Kevin

WIM
None

WFM
QUEK, Kristine

2017 auckland
IM
None

FM
CHAN, Luis
CHEW LEE, Max
CHOONG, Yita
GONG, Daniel Hanwen (NZL)
HU, Jason
KETHRO, Michael
LOUIE, Ryan
MALLARI, Donato
McLAREN, Leonard J (NZL)
SOO-BURROWES, Eliot W
TSAI, Charles

WIM
TIMERGAZI, Layla (NZL)

WFM
CHIBNALL, Alana
GUO, Zhi Lin
HARDEGEN, Kathryn
ZHANG, Jasmine Haomo

[Kevin Bonham]

This post now out of date - updated in #12

A useful list because it provides an opportunity to look at how many of those players of the list would have achieved the title listed anyway.

There are 54 titles listed in all. Of these Zhao, N Szuveges, Morris, E Guo and Maroroa all received titles twice through zonals, so that leaves 44 players receiving one title and 5 receiving two.

Of the dual holders:

* Zhao and Morris have since achieved requirements for both titles by normal means.
* Guo and Maroroa are both very close to achieving the rating requirements for WFM the normal way.
* I don't think N Szuveges ever achieved the rating requirement for WFM the normal way.

Of the single holders, the following have later achieved the rating requirement for their titles:

IM (8 holders excluding duals) Smerdon, Wang, Chapman - but I am not sure whether Chapman would have enough norms
WIM (5 holders excluding duals) Probably nil unless Koshnitsky was over as an interim rating
FM (23 holders excluding duals) Cheng, Reilly, Kulashko, Wastney, Humphrey, Steadman, Ly, Lukey, Watson, Saw (A few others have peak ratings in the 2270-2290 range so might have crossed as an interim although this is not all that likely.)
WFM (8 holders excluding duals): Nil

Thus in total of 49 winners of 54 zonal titles, it seems around 13 have gone on to perform well enough to have earned 15 of the same titles between them by conventional means; a few of the younger zonal title winners will later do so as well but the majority of Zonal title winners have not and presumably never will reach the targets for winning the same title normally.

[Oepty]

Aaron Guthrie gained the FM title from the 2005 Zonal Tournament

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3203158

I think it was going to go to Igor but he applied to get it the normal way, being over 2300, so it went to Aaron instead.

[Oepty]

A useful list because it provides an opportunity to look at how many of those players of the list would have achieved the title listed anyway.

There are 54 titles listed in all. Of these Zhao, N Szuveges, Morris, E Guo and Maroroa all received titles twice through zonals, so that leaves 44 players receiving one title and 5 receiving two.

Of the dual holders:

* Zhao and Morris have since achieved requirements for both titles by normal means.
* Guo and Maroroa are both very close to achieving the rating requirements for WFM the normal way.
* I don't think N Szuveges ever achieved the rating requirement for WFM the normal way.

Of the single holders, the following have later achieved the rating requirement for their titles:

IM (8 holders excluding duals) Smerdon, Chapman - but I am not sure whether Chapman would have enough norms
WIM (5 holders excluding duals) Probably nil unless Koshnitsky was over as an interim rating
FM (23 holders excluding duals) Cheng, Reilly, Kulashko, Wastney, Bjelobrk, Humphrey, Steadman, Ly, Lukey, Watson (A few others have peak ratings in the 2270-2290 range so might have crossed as an interim although this is not all that likely.)
WFM (8 holders excluding duals): Nil

Thus in total of 49 winners of 54 zonal titles, it seems around 12 have gone on to perform well enough to have earned 14 of the same titles between them by conventional means; a few of the younger zonal title winners will later do so as well but the majority of Zonal title winners have not and presumably never will reach the targets for winning the same title normally.

I think Mark Chapman would have at least 2 norms, the zonal where he got the title and 2003 Australian Championship although I am not sure whether I have ever done the full calculations for both tournaments. However he finished half a point ahead of Trevor Tao in that Australian Championships and they would have played similar strength fields. He has played an Australian Open in Sydney since then where he performed just above 2400 from memory, but I am not sure whether it would have been a norm. Anything before 2000 I have no idea about.

[Bill Gletsos]

Aaron Guthrie gained the FM title from the 2005 Zonal Tournament

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3203158

I think it was going to go to Igor but he applied to get it the normal way, being over 2300, so it went to Aaron instead.

I have updated the original post.

[Capablanca-Fan]

Thus in total of 50 winners of 55 zonal titles, it seems around 12 have gone on to perform well enough to have earned 14 of the same titles between them by conventional means; a few of the younger zonal title winners will later do so as well but the majority of Zonal title winners have not and presumably never will reach the targets for winning the same title normally.

A useful analysis. With ZYZ and Smurf, there is an a fortiori argument that they later achieved a higher title by normal means than they won at the zonal by zonal rules. IIRC, as well, their performance ratings in the Zonals where they achieved their IM titles were higher than the rating requirement for the title. Quite a contrast with many Zonal FMs who have never achieved a 2300 rating.

[braindied]

A useful list because it provides an opportunity to look at how many of those players of the list would have achieved the title listed anyway.

There are 55 titles listed in all. Of these Zhao, N Szuveges, Morris, E Guo and Maroroa all received titles twice through zonals, so that leaves 45 players receiving one title and 5 receiving two.

Of the dual holders:

* Zhao and Morris have since achieved requirements for both titles by normal means.
* Guo and Maroroa are both very close to achieving the rating requirements for WFM the normal way.
* I don't think N Szuveges ever achieved the rating requirement for WFM the normal way.

Of the single holders, the following have later achieved the rating requirement for their titles:

IM (8 holders excluding duals) Smerdon, Chapman - but I am not sure whether Chapman would have enough norms
WIM (5 holders excluding duals) Probably nil unless Koshnitsky was over as an interim rating
FM (24 holders excluding duals) Cheng, Reilly, Kulashko, Wastney, Bjelobrk, Humphrey, Steadman, Ly, Lukey, Watson (A few others have peak ratings in the 2270-2290 range so might have crossed as an interim although this is not all that likely.)
WFM (8 holders excluding duals): Nil

Thus in total of 50 winners of 55 zonal titles, it seems around 12 have gone on to perform well enough to have earned 14 of the same titles between them by conventional means; a few of the younger zonal title winners will later do so as well but the majority of Zonal title winners have not and presumably never will reach the targets for winning the same title normally.

In the IM list Puchen Wang NZL has certainly achieved the rating requirement, peak 2478. I would also suspect he would have the norms as well.

[Kevin Bonham]

In the IM list Puchen Wang NZL has certainly achieved the rating requirement, peak 2478. I would also suspect he would have the norms as well.

Thanks; post edited.

With ZYZ and Smurf, there is an a fortiori argument that they later achieved a higher title by normal means than they won at the zonal by zonal rules.

Likewise for Ly and as soon as his title is cleared by FIDE Cheng.

[Oepty]

Thanks; post edited.



Likewise for Ly and as soon as his title is cleared by FIDE Cheng.

You don't seem to have edited Bjelobrk out of your stats.

The interesting thing with Bjelobrk is he has to be one of the favourites to get the IM title this time. His peak published rating is 2399 as far as I can tell. I wonder whether he got over 2400 at any stage.

[Kevin Bonham]

You don't seem to have edited Bjelobrk out of your stats.

Ta. I did not notice he had been removed from the first post. Edited.

[Oepty]

I was wondering whether Ari Dale was the lowest rated player to gain the IM title from the zonal.

Rating when gaining the IM title

James Morris 2114
David Smerdon 2173
Andrew Brown 2175
Ari Dale 2222
Irina Berezina 2230
Zong Yuan Zhao 2242
Puchen Wang 2251
Mirko Rujevic 2303
Paul Garbett 2312
Anthony Ker 2321
Igor Bjelobrk 2329
Vladimir Feldman 2330
Mark Chapman 2338

[Kevin Bonham]

Awarded from Oceania Zonal 2013

IM
Igor Bjelobrk
Ari Dale

FM
Anton Smirnov

WIM
Katherine Jarek

WFM
Hilda Vukikomoala (Fiji)
Savithri Narenthran

Note re Justin Tan and Anton Smirnov: Justin was awarded the title by rating on the same day as he would have otherwise been awarded it from the Zonal. Anton was awarded it from the Zonal on the same day as he (provisionally) crossed by rating.

Updating previous total comments, changes in bold (and I'm giving Chapman benefit of the doubt on whether he has the norms until I hear otherwise) :

There are 60 titles listed in all. Of these Zhao, N Szuveges, Morris, E Guo and Maroroa all received titles twice through zonals, so that leaves 50 players receiving one title and 5 receiving two.

Of the dual holders:

* Zhao and Morris have since achieved requirements for both titles by normal means.
* Maroroa has achieved the requirement for WFM the normal way by crossing 2100 in the 4NCL 2012-13 round 5.
* I don't think N Szuveges ever achieved the rating requirement for WFM the normal way.

Of the single holders, the following have later (or earlier) achieved the rating requirement for their titles:

IM (11 holders excluding duals) Smerdon, Wang, Chapman, Bjelobrk, Dale - but I am not sure whether Chapman, Dale or Bjelobrk would have enough norms
WIM (6 holders excluding duals) Probably nil unless Koshnitsky was over as an interim rating
FM (24 holders excluding duals) Cheng, Reilly, Kulashko, Wastney, Smirnov, Humphrey, Steadman, Ly, Lukey, Watson, Saw (A few others have peak ratings in the 2270-2290 range so might have crossed as an interim although this is not all that likely.)
WFM (10 holders excluding duals): Nil

Thus in total of 55 winners of 60 zonal titles, it seems that 16-19 have gone on to perform well enough to have earned 18-21 of the same titles between them by conventional means; a few of the younger zonal title winners will later do so as well but the majority of Zonal title winners have not and presumably never will reach the targets for winning the same title normally.

Corrections welcome.

[ER]

Awarded from Oceania Zonal 2013

IM
Igor Bjelobrk
Ari Dale

FM
Anton Smirnov

WIM
Katherine Jarek

WFM
Hilda Vukikomoala (Fiji)
Savithri Narenthran

Hi Kev, shouldn't Justin be on this list or am I missing something? His name appears on the previous (Bill's) list

[Kevin Bonham]

Hi Kev, shouldn't Justin be on this list or am I missing something? His name appears on the previous (Bill's) list

Bill edited his list just after I posted mine.

FIDE awarded the title to Justin by rating, with notice of that reaching me at 8:03 pm on 11 June. Since he was already titled but had not been titled at the time of the event, they did not include him in the list of Zonal titles which reached me at 9:35 pm on 11 June. Otherwise they would have, and his eligibility meant that the FM title didn't cascade down to the next person. I actually initially applied for Justin's title by rating on 1 June but FIDE either didn't receive or else lost the email at that time.

It's a matter of interpretation whether to include him on the list or not.

In terms of when he completed the requirements, he completed the rating requirement (as confirmed by later processing) when he defeated Gary Lane in round seven of the Zonal.

[Adamski]

Awarded from Oceania Zonal 2013

IM
Igor Bjelobrk
Ari Dale

FM
Anton Smirnov...
WFM...
Maroroa...

Most of these title winners I have previously congratulated but not Kiwi Sue Maroroa. Well done Sue and all the title holders whom Kevin named.