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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ... Someone suggested lie detector
    Lie detectors are not reliable unfortunately. And if Pell didn't testify at his own trial, it's unlikely he would take a lie-detector test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Normally someone with such proclivities doesn't confine it to one person.
    You might want to check out last night's 4 Corners.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    You might want to check out last night's 4 Corners.
    Thanks for posting this link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
    Thanks for posting this link.
    No worries.

    I thought this was quite instructive as well. David Marr on the rise of George Pell (27 min audio, also available as a podcast).
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Pell jailed for six years. Minimum non-parole period three years and eight months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Doubters’ outcry over Pell verdict disrespectful to jury, legal system
    Doubters’ outcry over Lindy Chamberlain verdict disrespectful to jury, legal system
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    The sentencing of Convicted Paedophile Catholic Priest Cardinal Pell.
    Now a registered sex offender.
    Still a cardinal.

    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Still no coverage on the ABC of the Appeal judgement in Tyrrell v. The Queen!

    https://www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au/...n-2019-vsca-52

    Yet Tony Jones solemnly declares on Q & A (4 March) that it is disrespectful for anyone to question a decision of a jury (which presumably includes the 3 Appeal judges); and Charlie Pickering (20 March) insists that the voice of the victim should not be contested. That's what's known as 'balance' on the ABC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idledim View Post
    Still no coverage on the ABC of the Appeal judgement in Tyrrell v. The Queen!

    https://www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au/...n-2019-vsca-52

    Yet Tony Jones solemnly declares on Q & A (4 March) that it is disrespectful for anyone to question a decision of a jury (which presumably includes the 3 Appeal judges); and Charlie Pickering (20 March) insists that the voice of the victim should not be contested. That's what's known as 'balance' on the ABC.
    Probably in the wrong thread, but do you see bias when the ABC supports the judicial process?
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Probably in the wrong thread, but do you see bias when the ABC supports the judicial process?
    If it is in the wrong thread it will be moved eventually. In the meantime:

    - the judgement in Tyrrell v. The Queen is significant and should have been covered by the national broadcaster, and particularly so given the extensive reporting of the Pell case.

    - the comments by Jones and Pickering reflect an ignorance of judicial process - as the judgement in Tyrrell v. The Queen clearly demonstrates. To assert that complainants must always be believed, or to assert that it is disrespectful to question the decision of a jury, effectively holds the judicial process in contempt.

    I do not believe Tony Jones or Charlie Pickering intended to treat the judicial process with contempt; however, I do believe they 'misspoke.'
    Last edited by idledim; 02-04-2019 at 04:34 PM.

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    Why do so many people disrespect the appeals process?

    TWO CATHOLIC PRIESTS WRONGLY CONVICTED. IS PELL THE THIRD?
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    17 March 2019

    John Francis Tyrrell walked free from jail last week, an innocent man ruined.
    Yet another Catholic priest falsely convicted.

    Just last December, another Catholic, former Adelaide archbishop Philip Wilson, was also freed. Also wrongly convicted, said a judge.

    Two such cases in just three months should make many media commentators pause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idledim View Post
    A few links (from Quadrant online, by Professor Keith Windschuttle, Peter West et al) for readers interested in the Pell matter:


    When a Jury Gets it Ludicrously Wrong
    I read the above link. In summary, it says that it is implausible that the abuse incident ever occurred. Given the way it is told, that is true. Implausible does not mean impossible, however.

    The evidence given to substantiate the allegations must have been very compelling. It would have to have been compelling to go against the implausibility of the event. Remember, Pell had a QC defending him. You would think a QC, faced with a case that meant that it was implausible that his client did it, would have a field day. Rather like being on a soccer pitch, with the ball and in front of an open goal (or, given we are on Chess Chat, King and Rook vs King), how could the QC fail to succeed?

    As an open minded person, there are two possible outcomes:

    - Pell was indeed convicted on insufficient evidence. Hard to believe given a QC defending him.
    - Pell indeed did do it. The evidence is there that he did it, and a fair minded jury duly convicted. The implausibility of the incident is actually in favour of the guilty verdict - the less likely the incident, the stronger the evidence must have been that Pell did it.

    If we are going to debate implausibility, then you would have to say that it is extremely implausible that a QC faced with a case that seems open and shut would not get his client off.

    I'm happy to be convinced either way. However, if the conviction is indeed wrongful, then I am sure with the billions that the Catholic Church has, they can get the best lawyers to get it overturned on appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simdeaf View Post
    (…) Rather like being on a soccer pitch, with the ball and in front of an open goal (…)
    Extremely hard to miss, however, it has happened.

    (…) I am sure with the billions that the Catholic Church has, they can get the best lawyers to get it overturned on appeal.
    strictly adhering to soccer reality, using those millions in order to "convince" a referee into ruling the attacker as scoring from an offside position would have been neither implausible nor impossible!
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    Since his appeal is only about a week away, maybe we should just wait and see what happens.

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