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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Indigenous crime on the decrease? How significant is the decrease? Do you have statistical data to back it up? Likewise, I would love to see if unemployment figures for the Indigenous (despite the positive discrimination that they benefit from when applying for government jobs etc.) are similar to the ones for Non-Indigenous Australians?
    Based on this data, fairly significant: "Over the last 15 years in NSW the rate of Indigenous arrest for violent offences has declined by nearly 37 per cent (36.81%), while the rate of Indigenous arrest for property crime has declined by almost 33 per cent (32.95%)."

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    Meanwhile:

    It's a record, but not one to be proud of: one in four prisoners in NSW jails are Indigenous, a statistic that has risen by 35 per cent since the Coalition government came to power in 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    Meanwhile:
    It's a record, but not one to be proud of: one in four prisoners in NSW jails are Indigenous, a statistic that has risen by 35 per cent since the Coalition government came to power in 2011.
    My link also notes that:
    In fact, between 2001 and 2015, the number of Indigenous Australians in New South Wales prisons more than doubled. On an age-standardised basis, the rate of Indigenous imprisonment rose by 40 per cent.
    Why? From the same link:
    Commenting on the findings the director of BOCSAR, Dr Don Weatherburn said that the growth in Indigenous imprisonment was due to a combination of tougher sentencing and tougher law enforcement. People convicted of violent offences are now much more likely to receive a prison sentence than they were 15 years ago. Law enforcement authorities, on the other hand, appear to be taking a much firmer line in relation to breaches of community-based orders.
    So fewer Indigenous people are being arrested, but those that are arrested are more likely to be convicted and sent to prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    My link also notes that:
    In fact, between 2001 and 2015, the number of Indigenous Australians in New South Wales prisons more than doubled. On an age-standardised basis, the rate of Indigenous imprisonment rose by 40 per cent.
    Why? From the same link:
    Commenting on the findings the director of BOCSAR, Dr Don Weatherburn said that the growth in Indigenous imprisonment was due to a combination of tougher sentencing and tougher law enforcement. People convicted of violent offences are now much more likely to receive a prison sentence than they were 15 years ago. Law enforcement authorities, on the other hand, appear to be taking a much firmer line in relation to breaches of community-based orders.
    So fewer Indigenous people are being arrested, but those that are arrested are more likely to be convicted and sent to prison.
    Not a bad thing if they were in fact guilty of violent crimes, and there is no evidence otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Not a bad thing if they were in fact guilty of violent crimes, and there is no evidence otherwise.
    sounds like we moved on to the "solutions department" as a society some time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Likewise, I would love to see if unemployment figures for the Indigenous (despite the positive discrimination that they benefit from when applying for government jobs etc.) are similar to the ones for Non-Indigenous Australians?
    Quote Originally Posted by Australian Bureau of Statistics
    High unemployment among Indigenous Australians
    Published Thursday, November 21, 2013
    Indigenous Australians who have obtained higher education have improved unemployment rates.
    There is a considerable employment gap between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island peoples and non-Indigenous Australians, according to the latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).
    However, Indigenous employment rates across Australia were improved for those who achieved high levels of education, post-school qualifications or completed training or apprenticeships.
    Employment gap
    Only 55.8 per cent of working age Indigenous Australians are actively participating in the labour force, compared to 76.4 per cent of the non-Indigenous population aged 15-64.
    This participation rate identifies the number of people who are either in work or full-time education or are actively seeking employment.
    Of the participating Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander labour force, 17.2 per cent are currently unemployed, compared to only 5.5 per cent of non-Indigenous Australians.
    Younger Indigenous people were more likely to be unemployed than any other age group, with 18 per cent of those between 15 and 19 currently struggling to find work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    Indigenous Australians who have obtained higher education have improved unemployment rates.
    There is a considerable employment gap between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island peoples and non-Indigenous Australians, according to the latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).
    However, Indigenous employment rates across Australia were improved for those who achieved high levels of education, post-school qualifications or completed training or apprenticeships.
    Employment gap
    Only 55.8 per cent of working age Indigenous Australians are actively participating in the labour force, compared to 76.4 per cent of the non-Indigenous population aged 15-64.
    This participation rate identifies the number of people who are either in work or full-time education or are actively seeking employment.
    Of the participating Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander labour force, 17.2 per cent are currently unemployed, compared to only 5.5 per cent of non-Indigenous Australians.
    Younger Indigenous people were more likely to be unemployed than any other age group, with 18 per cent of those between 15 and 19 currently struggling to find work.
    Very good if more and more are employed~ Next step for them is to reach a stage where people will stop referring to them as ''Indigenous Australians'' - as for the statistical data above...it speaks for itself - the passage below the ''Employment Gap'' subheading is crystal clear.
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    Selective policing at work

    FactCheck Q&A: are Indigenous Australians the most incarcerated people on Earth?

    ...Verdict

    Noel Pearson’s statement that Indigenous Australians are “the most incarcerated people on the planet Earth” is correct, based on the best available international data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Selective policing at work

    FactCheck Q&A: are Indigenous Australians the most incarcerated people on Earth?

    ...Verdict

    Noel Pearson’s statement that Indigenous Australians are “the most incarcerated people on the planet Earth” is correct, based on the best available international data.
    The link does not tend to work off Chess Chat by the way. Anyway, googled it.
    So we are to blame... or they are too blame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Selective policing at work

    FactCheck Q&A: are Indigenous Australians the most incarcerated people on Earth?

    ...Verdict

    Noel Pearson’s statement that Indigenous Australians are “the most incarcerated people on the planet Earth” is correct, based on the best available international data.
    A very sad fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Based on this data, fairly significant: "Over the last 15 years in NSW the rate of Indigenous arrest for violent offences has declined by nearly 37 per cent (36.81%), while the rate of Indigenous arrest for property crime has declined by almost 33 per cent (32.95%)."
    Any chance of comparing Indigenous with the non - indigenous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    A very sad fact.
    So who is to blame? because 7 generations ago ''White people brought in alcohol'' and corrupted innocent indigenous minds - 7 generations later they are still to blame for todays youth's behaviour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Any chance of comparing Indigenous with the non - indigenous?
    Non-Indigenous would be declining as well. But this proves that current policies are working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Non-Indigenous would be declining as well. But this proves that current policies are working.
    What I mean is ...are Indigenous more likely to offend than non-Indigenous....I think this is something that should not be ignored...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    What I mean is ...are Indigenous more likely to offend than non-Indigenous....I think this is something that should not be ignored...
    So do some research. Don't leave it all to others

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