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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    You keep referring to specific instanced but completely ignoring the fact...that ONE IN 3 WOMEN BEING ABUSED is an outstanding figure and you can give many micro reasons but at some point got to address the obvious fact of violence, sexual and physical abuse in the Indigenous communities.
    What is your source for the "one in 3" figure? What forms of abuse does it include? It probably isn't so remarkable compared to estimates of the rate for women generally. It's an extremely difficult thing to estimate because only a tiny minority of cases result in convictions (which also makes that figure completely irrelevant to the points Ian was making about over-imprisonment upon conviction).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    What is your source for the "one in 3" figure? What forms of abuse does it include? It probably isn't so remarkable compared to estimates of the rate for women generally. It's an extremely difficult thing to estimate because only a tiny minority of cases result in convictions (which also makes that figure completely irrelevant to the points Ian was making about over-imprisonment upon conviction).
    From Understanding the statistics of male violence against women

    Since the age of 15,
    40% of women [overall, in Australia] reported at least one incident of physical or sexual violence
    33% of women experienced inappropriate comments about their body or sex life
    25% of women experienced unwanted sexual touching
    19% of women had been subjected to stalking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    You keep referring to specific instanced but completely ignoring the fact...that ONE IN 3 WOMEN BEING ABUSED is an outstanding figure and you can give many micro reasons but at some point got to address the obvious fact of violence, sexual and physical abuse in the Indigenous communities.
    What specific instances? I have only been speaking generally

    There is no evidence that indigenous communities are more violent than non-indigenous communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    What specific instances? I have only been speaking generally

    There is no evidence that indigenous communities are more violent than non-indigenous communities.
    NO evidence as: not a higher crime rate? Not a higher abuse rate?
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    In some ways a higher violence rate can almost be expected. White Australia has mixed up the different nations or tribes. This was not supposed to occur. Still to now some Aborigines expect "foreign" Aborigines to seek permission when entering their area. If not there may be violent conflict. But whites would not understand this because they did not seek permission when coming here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    NO evidence as: not a higher crime rate? Not a higher abuse rate?
    How about first you answer Kevin's questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    What is your source for the "one in 3" figure? What forms of abuse does it include? It probably isn't so remarkable compared to estimates of the rate for women generally. It's an extremely difficult thing to estimate because only a tiny minority of cases result in convictions (which also makes that figure completely irrelevant to the points Ian was making about over-imprisonment upon conviction).
    And mine:

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    What specific instances? I have only been speaking generally

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    official sources

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    Mind you covid-19 has even worsen the situation

    https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/a...urgent-action/

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    Now my mate. Over the past 100 years for example how many times have we heard stated something like "the line between civilised society and barbarism is only a thin veneer". Look what civilised Germany did WW2. I don't dispute any of shock horror stories but is understandable considering circumstances in the manner that it is roughly consistent with native folk worldwide when their culture is destroyed and land robbed via violence. So blame ourselves we imposed our selves on them.

    Refer to my quote here somewhere from Wild Cat Falling novel. That was generations ago and their society is still not repaired. That was before widespread drugs, porn, legal liquor (mostly). In about 6 months I am more free join me in attacking the problem
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    with all due respect I am not really interested in your "stories my mum told me", drunken pub blubbering and dreamtime hearsay evidence, concentrate and learn.

    Bess Nungarrayi Price, says, “My own body is scarred by domestic violence…We Aboriginal people have to acknowledge the truth. We can’t blame all of our problems on the white man…This is our problem that we can fix ourselves…”

    Source: Jarret, Stephanie, Liberating Aboriginal People from Violence. Connor Court, Ballan, Vic., 2013 p1

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    PS 1 I hope you understand that both of the posts here are referenced by indigenous sources.
    PS 2. Additional and effective policing is necessary in order to at least decrease this atrocious type of crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    with all due respect I am not really interested in your "stories my mum told me", drunken pub blubbering and dreamtime hearsay evidence, concentrate and learn.

    Bess Nungarrayi Price, says, “My own body is scarred by domestic violence…We Aboriginal people have to acknowledge the truth. We can’t blame all of our problems on the white man…This is our problem that we can fix ourselves…”

    Source: Jarret, Stephanie, Liberating Aboriginal People from Violence. Connor Court, Ballan, Vic., 2013 p1

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    PS 1 I hope you understand that both of the posts here are referenced by indigenous sources.
    PS 2. Additional and effective policing is necessary in order to at least decrease this atrocious type of crime.
    Wait and see...another ''pub story'' by AC is on the way! .
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    I suggest you watch SBS now to watch
    a program about Belonging - without belonging dysfunctionalism will sure follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    I suggest you watch SBS now to watch
    a program about
    watching too much SBS won't always get you to town.

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    Belonging - without belonging dysfunctionalism will sure follow.
    Another one of your dogmatic / maximalistic statements.

    Dysfunctional behavior / actions and what have you can also be attributed to those belonging somewhere!
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    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...?ocid=msedgntp

    Michael, you can rest your little heart because this indigenous offender did not get let off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
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    Michael, you can rest your little heart because this indigenous offender did not get let off.
    I like the title of the article Darwin Woman! For once someone's story is considered based on geographic location rather than ethnicity. All the offenders should be treated based on the offences investigated rather than ethnic background.
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