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    Australians playing World Champions

    I think this might have been covered before but can't find it.

    David Smerdon is about to play reigning World Champion Magnus Carlsen. How many previous cases are there of an Australian playing a reigning World Champion (FIDE knockout champions don't count) in a classic (not blitz/rapid) rated game?

    Walter Browne vs Spassky 1970 Olympiad is at least one prior but I assume there are others. Did Ian Rogers play Kasparov in a classic-rated game while he held the title?

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    Browne and Spassky played in 1969 also.
    Watson v Capablanca 1922.
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    Prepping for @MagnusCarlsen with Eminem: "You've only got 1 shot/Do not miss your chance". Then noticed song's title is Lose Yourself.
    Omg... m&m's music is a bit of a relaxation for me too sometimes, but as far as prep for beating Carlsen goes... it doesn't freaking inspire confidence, laugh. Good luck man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    ... Walter Browne vs Spassky 1970 Olympiad is at least one prior but I assume there are others. Did Ian Rogers play Kasparov in a classic-rated game while he held the title?
    Their only game seems to be in 2001, just after Kasparov lost the title. But Rogers did play Karpov in 1983, when Karpov was still champion (and drew!)

    I'm sure CJS Purdy would have played a few Aussies while he was World (Correspondence) Chess Champion

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    I'm not a fan of the FIDE knockout championships, but Johansen played FIDE WC Rustam Kasimdzhanov at the 2004 Olympiad.

    If we don't count that, there are two Rogers-Karpov games in 1983. I believe they were both during the BBC's "The Master Game". EDIT: link here http://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/27/ny...ournament.html . It was a double round robin, and time limit was 40/2 hours then rest of the game in an hour.
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    Ian drew the second game, but what a game the first was.
    [Event "Bath TV-A"]
    [Site "Bath"]
    [Date "1983.??.??"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Karpov, Anatoly"]
    [Black "Rogers, Ian"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [WhiteElo "2710"]
    [BlackElo "2450"]
    [ECO "B01"]
    [EventDate "1983.11.??"]
    [PlyCount "57"]
    [EventRounds "6"]
    [EventCountry "ENG"]
    [EventCategory "13"]
    [Source "ChessBase"]
    [SourceDate "2007.05.03"]

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    Millbase has a crosstable too.
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    Bath tv I, 1983
    Average Rating: 2551  (Category 13)
                           Rtng Age Nat    Score     (Tie)  Ka Br Ch Ro   Perf Chg
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     1: Karpov, A          2710     RUS   5.0 /  6   11.75  XX 1= 11 1=   2771  +3  (+4 -0 =2)
     2: Browne, Walter S   2560  34 USA   3.0 /  6    7.75  0= XX =1 ==   2548  -1  (+1 -1 =4)
     3: Chandler, Murray G 2485  23 NZL   2.5 /  6    4.50  00 =0 XX 11   2516  +3  (+2 -3 =1)
     4: Rogers, Ian        2450  23 AUS   1.5 /  6    5.50  0= == 00 XX   2392  -4  (+0 -3 =3)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    12 games: +5 -2 =5

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    How about playing future/past world champions? I think Rogers played many and so did Browne (even though he was no longer listed as Australia after early 1970's) Guy West played Kasparov and so did Hjorth when Kaspi was a kid.
    Re crosstable above - it gives a great idea about value of ratings at the the time. Imagine 2 Masters rated 2485 and 2450 playing competitively in such round robin events today. I think this would be unlikely, so at the time - 2450 was same value as 2550 or so (at least) now.
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    Posts about changes in the strength of players through time, and whether players have got stronger, or ratings inflated, or both, have been moved here:

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    London, England, 31 July - 19 August 1922

    This goes back to 1922 but the Australian player Charles Watson got to play both Alekhine and Capa in this tournament.

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 Pts
    1 Capablanca * 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 13
    2 Alekhine * 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 11
    3 Vidmar 0 * 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 11
    4 Rubinstein 0 1 * 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 10
    5 Bogoljubov 0 0 * 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 9
    6 Reti 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 8
    7 Tartakover 0 0 0 * 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 8
    8 Maroczy 0 0 * 1 1 0 1 1 8
    9 Yates 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 * 1 1 1 1 1 1 8
    10 Atkins 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 * 0 1 0 1 6
    11 Euwe 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 * 0 1 0 1 1 5
    12 Znosko-Borovsky 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 * 1 1 0 5
    13 Wahltuch 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 * 1 1 5
    14 Morrison 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 * 0 1 4
    15 Watson 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 * 1 4
    16 Marotti 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 * 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    London, England, 31 July - 19 August 1922

    This goes back to 1922 but the Australian player Charles Watson got to play both Alekhine and Capa in this tournament.
    Also Euwe.

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