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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    "You can't just jump ship and join the other team and claim it's the national or public interest because it's not."
    - Corey *Cough* Bernadi 2014.
    Who really jumped ship? Probably the Liberal party that reneged on its policy to overturn 18C, tossed out the PM who won the election and replaced him with an elected leader, can't even get a modest corporate tax cut passed, and in general is almost an echo of Labor rather than being a real choice.

    Cory is not the enemy
    Chris Ashton, Spectator, 9 February 2017

    As a member of the Liberal Party, and as a conservative classical liberal, I think it would have been better for Cory Bernardi to remain a party member. Now it’s not just party loyalty that drives me to say this, but rather the strategic objectives toward conservatism that I share with the senator. Like Bernardi, I don’t really care too much about the Liberal Party as an organisation; it is valuable to me only insofar as it’s a vehicle for sound government and the betterment of society through conservative and libertarian ideas.

    But what’s done is done and Cory Bernardi is not coming back to the Liberals. The grandstanding and the whining about betrayal from his former party colleagues is to be expected, but is utterly pointless, apart from it being a rare opportunity for an MP to point to another man and say, “God, I thank you that I am not like other men – bigots, homophobes, racists – or even like this turncoat senator.” But good luck with that as a strategy at the 2022 South Australian senate election.

    Malcolm Turnbull, however, should stay well away from discussions about Bernardi, and certainly from any notions of crushing him. Rather, Turnbull should be having discussions with Bernardi. His priority should be leading the government, governing the country, and thinking about how best to execute the government’s legislative agenda given the new senate dynamic. If he wants to crush anyone, Bill Shorten would be a good target, and Question Time doesn’t count. Someone should also show the PM the latest Newspoll data. If an election were held today, the ALP picks up 16 seats and wins government. This is partly because of incompetent leadership, and partly because of Turnbull’s own betrayal of the conservative values and instincts of his party’s members and voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Not the same at all. Tax cuts means that the government confiscates less from them. You accused me of wanting to give them things, which I do not, because anything that the government gives must be taken from someone else. Hence my consistent opposition to subsidies.
    The whole point of tax cats is to make business more profitable in the hope that that will increase investment. If you don't think that this is what tax cuts are for, why the heck do you advocate them?


    It shows that leftist politics and big government have lousy environmental records.
    Claiming is not showing.

    The free market allows for taxation of externalities.
    Yeah like a price on carbon.
    In reality it will take government to implement these, since why would a business volunteer to pay for something it can get for free.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Who really jumped ship? Probably the Liberal party that reneged on its policy to overturn 18C, tossed out the PM who won the election and replaced him with an elected leader, can't even get a modest corporate tax cut passed, and in general is almost an echo of Labor rather than being a real choice.
    As Sinodinis said recently, if he wanted to influence the party he should have stayed within it.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/an...10-guahtc.html

    Trouble in my neighbourhood!

    Well, I can assure you that Mr. Bernardi is not very popular in St Kilda.

    However, and as it can be shown by the readers' comments, the protesters due to the methods they used to show their disapproval, aren't the most popular political group either.

    (Bzzt, don't be surprised by the high performance of the ultra conservative Ms. Pauline Hanson's One Nation party in upcoming State Elections.)
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    I think tax should be like this:

    1. A teired tax rate system applied to towns (so population centres)
    1a. Towns with 1 to 1000 people: everyone in that size town get taxed at the lowest rate.
    1b. Towns with 1000 to 10000 get the second highest
    1c. Towns with 10000 to 100000 get the third

    2. Each town has a flat tax rate

    3. You have to live there 10 months of the year

    4. If you live out of a kombi you get backpackers rates cause you travel around looking for work or your a rich pensioner living off your savings.

    If you want to sign up for this type we'll start a petition and think of a name for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    (Bzzt, don't be surprised by the high performance of the ultra conservative Ms. Pauline Hanson's One Nation party in upcoming State Elections.)
    http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austra...cid=spartandhp

    The Libs got the message sooner rather than later. And it wasn't due to O.N. becoming more "sophisticated" as claimed by Mr. Sinodinos. It's because of Pauline's increasing power!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austra...cid=spartandhp

    The Libs got the message sooner rather than later. And it wasn't due to O.N. becoming more "sophisticated" as claimed by Mr. Sinodinos. It's because of Pauline's increasing power!
    And/or Barnett's desperation. So desperate he is willing to flood the WA upper house with Hansonites in the hope of getting returned with an extremely angry Nationals crossbench. They're even offering to hand out PHON how to vote cards!

    Seems to me that the more Liberals suck up to PHON and say they're not so bad after all, the more frustrated Liberal supporters will just vote for PHON.

    PHON do seem to be becoming more smartly operated and media-savvy but their candidates are still a rabble.

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    Now Is Australia's Last Chance to Become Tax-Competitive
    James Ledger, Foundation for Economic Education, 12 February 2017

    There is a growing appetite around the world for competitive tax systems. But right now in Australia, we are “pricing ourselves into oblivion."

    During last year’s election campaign, the corporate tax reform pushed by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Treasurer Scott Morrison promised to reduce business taxes from 30 percent to 25 percent over a ten-year period. This is not enough.

    Currently, Australian companies give 30 percent of their earnings to the government. This is hopelessly uncompetitive in a global field that’s asserting lower taxes across the board – an average of 23 percent in Asia and 25 percent across the OECD.

    As reported by The Australian, the Treasurer warned business leaders that:

    “Australia is now facing the real risk of being globally stranded by crippling taxes that would erode the nation’s living standards if the government continues to be blocked politically from its company tax reforms.”

    The opposition to reform the corporate tax rate, even to this modest degree, shows how much harder the cause needs to be pushed. The election of Trump provides the perfect opportunity to do so.
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    ^ James Ledger seems to understand that lower taxes leads to higher profits (and then investment). Maybe you could try to comprehend what you're quoting Jono.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    ^ James Ledger seems to understand that lower taxes leads to higher profits (and then investment). Maybe you could try to comprehend what you're quoting Jono.
    I'd be happy if he could just learn to quote in a non problematic way.
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    The Guardian last night reported a ReachTEL poll supposedly showing Peter Dutton losing his seat 55.7:44.3. In fact the poll had Dutton winning his seat 52:48 and there was confusion caused by a question about the preferences of minor party voters being mistaken for the overall 2PP. The Guardian removed the incorrect results (and one result that was correct) but has not yet deemed the pro-Dutton result to be newsworthy.

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    Bob Day's election is ruled invalid and so a special recount of South Australian ballots will be held to determine the replacement. Family First still confident their number 2 pick (Lucy Gichuhi) will get up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    Bob Day's election is ruled invalid and so a special recount of South Australian ballots will be held to determine the replacement. Family First still confident their number 2 pick (Lucy Gichuhi) will get up.
    Gichuhi will win the recount as the court has rejected Labor's argument that the FF #1 ATLs should not be counted. The outcome has been simulated using actual ballot data by Grahame Bowland; it is fairly likely Gichuhi will win by more than Bob Day did because of a quirk in the system.

    There is still a questionmark over Gichuhi's eligibility so in theory Gichuhi could be elected then herself challenged and unseated in which case it is extremely likely that the seat would go to Labor.

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    What are ATL's in this context? I will be pleased if Family First do win Day's seat and not subsequently lose it!
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