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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Or, since Turnbull turned the Coalition into Labor-Lite, voters think that they may as well have the real thing.
    Except that Turnbull has been removed and removing him has made their polling even worse, so far. And when Turnbull was very popular early in his tenure it was partly on unrealistic expectations that he would move the Coalition further away in policy terms from Abbott than he did.

    Still I'd attribute much of the current polling gap to the Coalition being a scandal-plagued rabble, and some of it also to dissatisfaction with slow wages growth. The perception that the Coalition is out of touch on climate, social issues and modern values on gender (and in the case of Victoria, race) is out there but it's hard to say how many votes it is shifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    No, that would be the extreme right cuckoos like the neo-nazis and Fraser Anning.
    Nazis were a branch of extreme leftism: National Socialism, big government, massive stimulus programs, rigid state schooling with no school choice, collectivism in the form or race-based policies, rejection of individualism …
    “If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.” — Abba Eban on the UN general assembly

    “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.” — Obi-Wan Kenobi on the UN kakistocracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Nazis were a branch of extreme leftism: National Socialism, big government, massive stimulus programs, rigid state schooling with no school choice, collectivism in the form or race-based policies, rejection of individualism …
    No accident that Fraser Anning was there.

    Five questions about Nazi Germany and how it relates to Australian politics today

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    3) Senator Fraser Anning used the phrase ‘final solution‘ and it upset people. Why?

    The phrase is a direct reference to the Nazi term Endlösung der Judenfrage (The final solution of the Jewish question), which in the end meant genocide. It is clear that this goes well beyond “dog whistling”. It is instead the kind of language that (until now) only the most rabid and marginal of Nazis would deliberately choose to use.

    The term recalls the desire of the state to kill its citizens and the citizens of states around it to secure its own racial fantasy. Anning argues that his usage was unintentional. This is difficult to believe, given the context of the speech.

    What is especially chilling about it is that evokes not only the genocidal policies of the Nazi regime, but also its earlier “final solutions” (grounded in the global eugenics movement for 'racial hygiene’) which included halting Jewish migration, then taking away the civic rights of Jews, then expelling Jews, and then finally murdering them.

    To use this kind of historically and racially charged language to talk about migrants was a new low, even in Australian politics, where tolerance of racially charged political statements is extraordinarily high.

    4) Some Australian press commentators have said that Nazism was left-wing. Is this right?

    No. Nazis and fascists were decidedly right-wing and fervently anti-communist. There was a small and short-lived group of Nazis clustered around the Strasser brothers who were interested in a racial strain of anti-capitalist politics. They might loosely be termed “socialist”, but they were completely purged from the Nazi party very early on.

    On coming to power, the first targets of the Nazis were communists and socialists. The formal name of the Nazi party, the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers Party), was a failed attempt to attract workers to the party and away from the left. It failed, and the main voters for the Nazis remained the lower middle classes - the economically vulnerable who most feared the spectre of socialism. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Nazis were a branch of extreme leftism: National Socialism, big government, massive stimulus programs, rigid state schooling with no school choice, collectivism in the form or race-based policies, rejection of individualism …
    Nazis also believed in a very strong military and strict restrictions on immigration - it's no wonder that they always show up in right-wing parties.

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