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    I am wondering if those who are against the onshore processing / settlement of asylum seekers might be happy to accept a policy where all asylum seekers are returned to UNHCR camps - and accepted by the UNHCR on the condition that Australia take 2 refugees for every refugee in a UNHCR camp who has been duly processed?
    This policy would provide no comfort to those who seek to profit from human misery. It would provide safety for refugees. It would remove incentives for refugees to bypass UNHCR camps, and it would send a clear signal (too often overlooked in this impossible debate) that Australia is a generous member of the international community. Australia would accept whoever the UNHCR determined was most in need. Of course, Australia needs to work with all regional neighbours to establish dedicated UNHCR centres in the Pacific. The UN needs to re-visit the 1949 Declaration, etc.etc.

    Anyway, two for one is at least a 3 word slogan.

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    When people smugglers were seen as heroes, and we welcomed the dispossessed
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    ...More than 80,000 anti-Communist Vietnamese arrived in Australia in the following 15 years: our allies in the Vietnam War, whom we did not abandon when the war was lost.

    At the press conference announcing the humanitarian response, then foreign minister Andrew Peacock and immigration minister Michael MacKellar urged politicians “not to subordinate the issues ... to electoral considerations, not to exaggerate the dimensions of the problem, not to attempt to exploit the assumed fears of sections of the Australian public, and not to forget the human tragedy represented by these few small boats.”

    Read that quote again. It’s dismaying to realise how far Australian government has fallen from championship of liberty and humanitarianism. For the Liberals, it’s a betrayal of their very name. For Labor, well, it’s business as usual....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    They pay to risk their own lives and the lives of their families to escape from where they are - where they are has to be pretty bad! You persist in calling them illegals, when they have the right to seek asylum under international law. They are breaking no laws. Only the smugglers are operating illegally by transporting people without visas to Australia.



    They are fleeing from persecution, not civil war. Tamils are not safe in Sri Lanka since the genocide began, non-Muslims, homosexuals and other minorities are not safe in Iran, Hazaras and Taliban opponents are not safe in Afghanistan

    Having a class with some Sri-Lankan University students in it now. It is news to them that there is currently genocide against Tamils. They believe their civil war ended long ago and are not aware of any tensions . Basically everyone is unsafe in an unsafe country...so should everyone from an ''unsafe'' country have a right to come to a ''safe country''...If it happens those countries will get empty as both people who are ''unsafe'' and people who ''make them feel unsafe'' will come to Europe, Australia and USA
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Having a class with some Sri-Lankan University students in it now. It is news to them that there is currently genocide against Tamils. They believe their civil war ended long ago and are not aware of any tensions .
    So some students are the basis of your knowledge. There are better sources, e.g. http://www.genocidewatch.org/srilanka.html or http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/artic...3#.V0v2JiG4FqQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    So some students are the basis of your knowledge. There are better sources, e.g. http://www.genocidewatch.org/srilanka.html or http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/artic...3#.V0v2JiG4FqQ
    Its a pretty sound basis as they are from Sri Lanka...and the ''some students'' are MBA and MIT students so they are well-aware what is happening in their country . They also confirmed that many of those who get on the boats to come to Australia illegally, make up stories...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Its a pretty sound basis as they are from Sri Lanka...and the ''some students'' are MBA and MIT students so they are well-aware what is happening in their country . They also confirmed that many of those who get on the boats to come to Australia illegally, make up stories...
    Are you well aware of clandestine activities by Australian federal police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    the ''some students'' are MBA and MIT students so they are well-aware what is happening in their country .
    That is a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Are you well aware of clandestine activities by Australian federal police?
    I am not. But I would think if they would be widespread I would be aware. I strongly doubt anyone knows Sri Lanka or any other country for this matter better than those who live there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I am not. But I would think if they would be widespread I would be aware. I strongly doubt anyone knows Sri Lanka or any other country for this matter better than those who live there.
    So the people who live in North Korea are the best placed to know what's going on?
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    There is a Christian genocide in the Middle East, but no one wants those refugees, just as no one wanted the Jews of Europe in the 1930s and 1940s.
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Exactly. I can't understand people who migrate here seeking a better life yet begrudge it of others.
    Same here. It must take a special sort of, ummm, ethics for someone already on the lifeboat to be stomping on the fingers of others clambering for a spot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Baron
    1) It is an evident trend (immigration data) that accepting more refugees results in accepting less skilled migrants, so the relationship is rather direct
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    Having a class with some Sri-Lankan University students in it now. ...
    Oh well, we wouldn't want anything to disrupt the fresh supply of people giving you a comfy living would we. Come to the allegro everyone, and bring your contribution to the prize fund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    There is a Christian genocide in the Middle East, but no one wants those refugees, just as no one wanted the Jews of Europe in the 1930s and 1940s.
    Who doesn't want them? Many countries are taking significant numbers of refugees from Syria, Muslim and Christian alike. Nobody is boasting about wanting to keep Christians out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    There is a Christian genocide in the Middle East, but no one wants those refugees, just as no one wanted the Jews of Europe in the 1930s and 1940s.
    The US Holocaust Memorial Museum doesn't agree with you, although it is concerned about the treatment of Christians and other religious minorities. They do describe the treatment of Yezidis as genocide:
    As part of its deliberate campaign of terror, IS singled out Yezidi populations for genocide and continues to perpetrate genocide against Yezidis trapped under IS control, according to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. The Museum issued a report today by its Simon-Skjodt Center for the Prevention of Genocide, detailing the full range of crimes committed against Yezidis, Christians, Turkmen, Shabak, and other minority groups. This is the first such declaration by the Museum since 2004, when it declared a genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan.

    Of course, the US is taking in Christian refugees, as are other countries, including Lebanon (40% Christian). An obvious safe haven would be Israel, but ironically it's refusing to accept any Syrian refugees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Same here. It must take a special sort of, ummm, ethics for someone already on the lifeboat to be stomping on the fingers of others clambering for a spot.

    Oh well, we wouldn't want anything to disrupt the fresh supply of people giving you a comfy living would we. Come to the allegro everyone, and bring your contribution to the prize fund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I would like to Assure you that MBA and MIS international graduates are giving comfy living not to me only...but to everyone as they work hard and contribute consistently to our economy! They have almost 100% employment rate. If they also play allegro - it is a definite bonus
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I would like to Assure you that MBA and MIS international graduates are giving comfy living not to me only...but to everyone as they work hard and contribute consistently to our economy! They have almost 100% employment rate. If they also play allegro - it is a definite bonus
    Perhaps you could show them this report, to give them some idea of what's being going on at home while they enjoy the good life here.

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