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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Why do you waste your time, which you claim to value, reading such rubbish?
    I don't think he even read it - the article doesn't state that her claims of political asylum were even accepted. For all Michael knows, she came to Australia as a professional migrant (her husband was a lawyer), and all his claims about her being a fake are just nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Ever heard of Sergei Leonidovich Magnitsky, a Russian lawyer who was arrested and died in prison after implicating Russian officials?
    Assange can't be extradited to the US from the UK and face the death penalty - the relevant extradition treaty doesn't permit it.
    I have heard o Magnitsky and it is a well known case...there are plenty of such cases but these are cases oF INDIVIDUALS.
    Furthermore, his case is not about politics but about corrupt government officials trying to take away his business! Does it mean all Russians should be given green light to leave the country? Just let them know and they will happily come
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I have heard o Magnitsky and it is a well known case...there are plenty of such cases but these are cases oF INDIVIDUALS.
    So some individual Russian lawyers could have a case for political asylum, as I implied.
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    Furthermore, his case is not about politics but about corrupt government officials trying to take away his business! Does it mean all Russians should be given green light to leave the country? Just let them know and they will happily come
    There were a number of politicians involved in that case. If there are other cases where politicians are accused, then political asylum may be justified.

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    Returning to the Day/Dranichnikov case, the details of his case are here. The important part is: "The passage that we have quoted from the decision of the delegate shows clearly the emphasis that Mr Dranichnikov placed upon his membership of a special group, not just of business people, but of business people in public protest, in effect, about state sanctioned corruption including, on occasions, violence."

    So just being a Russian businessman doesn't justify political asylum. However, being a Russian businessman who makes public protests about state sanctioned corruption and is persecuted by state authorities for this (including being stabbed), does. If you disagree, you should complain to the High Court, which decided this case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I have heard o Magnitsky and it is a well known case...there are plenty of such cases but these are cases oF INDIVIDUALS.
    All applications for asylum are considered individually on their merits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    All applications for asylum are considered individually on their merits
    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/...j_XizQU8x9IXBA

    This is how documents are cooked...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/...j_XizQU8x9IXBA

    This is how documents are cooked...
    The fraud was detected, but that's nothing compared with our own government flaunting its own security barriers by making secret deals with the US to admit known war criminals as refugees then lying to us about it.

    ‘That’s just insane’: Australia’s secret deal to take in Rwandan guerillas
    Politico
    16.5.19

    For more than a decade, the United States had a problem: three Rwandan men, sitting in jail in Virginia, who had been accused of brutally murdering tourists in Africa — but now had a chance of winning release onto American streets.

    The three had been rounded up following a bloody 1999 attack that made headlines across three continents, when two Americans and six other Western tourists on a gorilla-watching visit to the Ugandan rainforest were killed with machetes and axes. The crime was so horrific that U.S. prosecutors charged the men under terrorism statutes, extracted them from Rwanda and then took the rare step of demanding the federal death penalty.

    But in 2006, the prosecution went off the rails: A judge in Washington ruled the men’s confessions were obtained through torture in Rwandan detention centers, and the case was dropped. The men fell into immigration purgatory, fighting their return to Rwanda out of fear they’d be mistreated by the government there, but lacking the right to stay in the U.S....

    Attorneys for the men did not respond to repeated questions about the transfer, while U.S. and Australian officials declined to comment. However, several people close to the Rwandans confirmed to POLITICO that the men were quietly moved to Australia, accepted at the request of U.S. officials as “humanitarian” migrants — essentially refugees. The third remains in a U.S. detention center....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    The fraud was detected, but that's nothing compared with our own government flaunting its own security barriers by making secret deals with the US to admit known war criminals as refugees then lying to us about it.

    ‘That’s just insane’: Australia’s secret deal to take in Rwandan guerillas
    Politico
    16.5.19

    For more than a decade, the United States had a problem: three Rwandan men, sitting in jail in Virginia, who had been accused of brutally murdering tourists in Africa — but now had a chance of winning release onto American streets.

    The three had been rounded up following a bloody 1999 attack that made headlines across three continents, when two Americans and six other Western tourists on a gorilla-watching visit to the Ugandan rainforest were killed with machetes and axes. The crime was so horrific that U.S. prosecutors charged the men under terrorism statutes, extracted them from Rwanda and then took the rare step of demanding the federal death penalty.

    But in 2006, the prosecution went off the rails: A judge in Washington ruled the men’s confessions were obtained through torture in Rwandan detention centers, and the case was dropped. The men fell into immigration purgatory, fighting their return to Rwanda out of fear they’d be mistreated by the government there, but lacking the right to stay in the U.S....

    Attorneys for the men did not respond to repeated questions about the transfer, while U.S. and Australian officials declined to comment. However, several people close to the Rwandans confirmed to POLITICO that the men were quietly moved to Australia, accepted at the request of U.S. officials as “humanitarian” migrants — essentially refugees. The third remains in a U.S. detention center....
    I agree such deals are unacceptable. These cases should be made public. If the claims in the article are true, all 3 should be sent out of Australia ASAP
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I agree such deals are unacceptable. These cases should be made public. If the claims in the article are true, all 3 should be sent out of Australia ASAP
    Of course they're true. It's been all over the new for weeks - where have you been?

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...1446f032fb0ed1

    https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/austr...accused-murder

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...character-test

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ed-of-killings

    No way will Trump take them back, and no-one else will take them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I agree such deals are unacceptable. These cases should be made public. If the claims in the article are true, all 3 should be sent out of Australia ASAP
    Weren't they part of the deal that Turnbull did with Obama by taking our refugees from Nauru or somewhere that Trump later objected to in that infamous phone call?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Weren't they part of the deal that Turnbull did with Obama by taking our refugees from Nauru or somewhere that Trump later objected to in that infamous phone call?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
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    As their date of arrival is absent in the article it does not disprove they may have been involved in the swap. We have to keep our agreements so they deserve to stay here. Now only if the US had taken the same attitude to bin Laden as they did in this case then about half a dozen wars would have been prevented and we would not have to go through purgatory when going on an aeroplane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    As their date of arrival is absent in the article it does not disprove they may have been involved in the swap. We have to keep our agreements so they deserve to stay here. ...
    They were part of the Turnbull-Obama secret deal - that's now become clear. We agreed to take war criminals from the US in exchange for innocent asylum seekers on Nauru. Trump later called it the worst deal he's ever been stuck with. I agree with him, if for different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    They were part of the Turnbull-Obama secret deal - that's now become clear. We agreed to take war criminals from the US in exchange for innocent asylum seekers on Nauru. Trump later called it the worst deal he's ever been stuck with. I agree with him, if for different reasons.
    I agree with you..but for different reasons .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I agree with you..but for different reasons .
    Can the three tortured and suspected Rwandans now in OZ be housed in Nauru? As long as done very economically. That should put a smile on Michael's face.
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