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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Are you sure your date is reliable?
    I believe many Germans do not think so
    You're entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts. The facts on German crime levels are here. Looks like there were fewer instances of people blowing up refugee shelters, so that is good.


    Lowest number of criminal offences since 1992

    Federal Minister of the Interior Horst Seehofer and the interior minister of Saxony-Anhalt, Holger Stahlknecht, presented the official statistics on crime and politically motivated crime for 2017 in Berlin today.

    In 2017, the police recorded 5,761,984 criminal offences. Not counting violations of law concerning foreigners (the Residence Act, Asylum Act and the Freedom of Movement Act/EU), this figure was 5,582,136, or 5.1% fewer offences than in 2016 (5,884,815).

    Commenting on the statistics, Federal Minister Seehofer said, "At roughly 5.76 million, the number of criminal offences committed in Germany is the lowest since 1992. This drop in crime is even more apparent in relation to the total population: fewer than 7,000 offences per 100,000 residents. That is the lowest rate in more than 30 years!"...

    Fewer attacks on shelters for refugees and asylum seekers
    There were also far fewer attacks on shelters for refugees and asylum seekers. In 2017, the number of these offences fell by 68.6% to 312 (2016: 995), continuing the downward trend which started in February 2016 and returning to a level similar to that before the major wave of immigration in 2015 and 2016.

    Federal Minister Seehofer commented, "That is also thanks to the work of the security authorities. Following their comprehensive investigations, the law enforcement authorities were able to prove that the Freital group had used explosives to attack shelters for refugees and asylum seekers. I am glad that eight members of this group were convicted in March of forming and belonging to a terrorist organization and were sentenced to five to ten years in prison." ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Is there a limit under international law how many we need to take as minimum? If refugees are coming above that minimal quota..do we have to take...and even more importantly - can you see what is happening in Europe right now due to a greater influx of the ''fakeugees''? Would you say they are making Europe a better place to live? Even with the ones we take, we have problems - what if we take more?
    As you must know, Australia has stopped admitting any asylum seekers arriving by boat, defying international human rights laws. As always, the majority of asylum seekers arrive legally by air, holding tourist or other visas, then apply for asylum.

    Until Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison stopped the boats, most maritime asylum seekers were from Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iran, Pakistan and Iraq

    Face the facts: Asylum Seekers and Refugees

    You are confusing asylum seekers arriving here unannnounced and refugees resettled under our humanitarian migrant intake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    As you must know, Australia has stopped admitting any asylum seekers arriving by boat, defying international human rights laws. As always, the majority of asylum seekers arrive legally by air, holding tourist or other visas, then apply for asylum.

    Until Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison stopped the boats, most maritime asylum seekers were from Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iran, Pakistan and Iraq

    Face the facts: Asylum Seekers and Refugees

    You are confusing asylum seekers arriving here unannnounced and refugees resettled under our humanitarian migrant intake.
    Holding tourist or other visas...

    Is there a way for them to apply offshore? .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Holding tourist or other visas...

    Is there a way for them to apply offshore? .
    They arrive with a visa, so obviously they have applied before arrival.

    Asylum Insight - Air Arrivals

    The debate about asylum seeker laws and policies in Australia has been dominated in recent years by boat arrivals. Historically, though, most asylum seekers in Australia have arrived by air. This Explainer compares the number of boat arrivals and air arrivals, the percentage of each that are found to be refugees, and explains their respective treatment under Australian law....

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    The greatest influx of fakugees were the Chinese "students" in 1989 and afterwards after the Tinamen Square Massacre. By the thousands they falsely accused the government of crimes thereby supposedly jeopardising their chance of safely returning to China. They took out whole Australian Chinese newspapers of ads saying shocking things about the govt though the government never injured them at all. They were 99% apolitical. They got their permanent refugee status and then return to China dozens of times for pleasure, family and business. What a rort yet we don't hear anything from Michael Baron about them. There were tens of thousands of them and Hawke cried in Parliament for them - they were laughing at him behind his back. Some were the children of big officials and now bribe the Oz government ministers etc. to be pro-China - remember Sam D. incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    The greatest influx of fakugees were the Chinese "students" in 1989 and afterwards after the Tinamen Square Massacre. By the thousands they falsely accused the government of crimes thereby supposedly jeopardising their chance of safely returning to China. They took out whole Australian Chinese newspapers of ads saying shocking things about the govt though the government never injured them at all. They were 99% apolitical. They got their permanent refugee status and then return to China dozens of times for pleasure, family and business. What a rort yet we don't hear anything from Michael Baron about them. There were tens of thousands of them and Hawke cried in Parliament for them - they were laughing at him behind his back. Some were the children of big officials and now bribe the Oz government ministers etc. to be pro-China - remember Sam D. incident.
    1989 was long way back...not sure how many Chinese students were in Australia at the time. When I was at Melbourne Uni in the early 1990s - number of the Chinese students was very limited compared to now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    1989 was long way back...not sure how many Chinese students were in Australia at the time. When I was at Melbourne Uni in the early 1990s - number of the Chinese students was very limited compared to now.
    They were coming out here after the Massacre then claiming victimisation by the commos. If they were being victimised the commos would not have given them visas. Granting them refugee status opened the floodgates for more from mainland China. Whereas the M/E refugee applicants are proven about 90% genuine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    1989 was long way back...not sure how many Chinese students were in Australia at the time. When I was at Melbourne Uni in the early 1990s - number of the Chinese students was very limited compared to now.
    42,000 Chinese students gained permanent residency in the aftermath of Tiananmen. Subsequent family reunion admissions added another 60,000. Most settled in Sydney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    42,000 Chinese students gained permanent residency in the aftermath of Tiananmen. Subsequent family reunion admissions added another 60,000. Most settled in Sydney.
    Those students bringing their parents here and ending up on old age pensions blew the budget a bit so then strict restrictions came in re elderly parents. It effected other nationality parents who weren't so numerous. Now the gov. curtails pensions to those who return overseas that also effects Aussies who want to retire overseas to get a better lifestyle on their limited income.

    The Liberal Party was shocking how it picked on invalid tradesmen who retired to the Philippines trying to force them off social security.

    Now it severely cut pensions to certain pensioners who remain OS more than 6 months. It may cut as much as 66-70%. But when OS those pensioners pay for their own accommodation, medical costs, transport, nil subsidies for electricity, rates etc. saving the gov. a fortune. Very short-sighed ideological extremists the right wing of the Liberal Party. It is a type of class war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Those students bringing their parents here and ending up on old age pensions blew the budget a bit so then strict restrictions came in re elderly parents. It effected other nationality parents who weren't so numerous. Now the gov. curtails pensions to those who return overseas that also effects Aussies who want to retire overseas to get a better lifestyle on their limited income.

    The Liberal Party was shocking how it picked on invalid tradesmen who retired to the Philippines trying to force them off social security.

    Now it severely cut pensions to certain pensioners who remain OS more than 6 months. It may cut as much as 66-70%. But when OS those pensioners pay for their own accommodation, medical costs, transport, nil subsidies for electricity, rates etc. saving the gov. a fortune. Very short-sighed ideological extremists the right wing of the Liberal Party. It is a type of class war.
    At the same time...there are so many Australians who are in favour of bringing in the ''so-called refugees'' rather than making Australia more attractive for the successful Chinese people to move to and to invest into!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Mike, there was an immigration scam amongst the Chinese about 20 years ago and the going price for a fiance visa was $50,000, so the Gov limited fiance visas to two in a lifetime. So if you want an exotic one like Donald Trump you only get to white and black once. At that time there was not the requirement of proving an ongoing marriage after two years so some Chinese guys who wanted and thought they were getting a genuine wife (as originally many males come alone) their missus was gone they could be broken in. So overall the Middle Kingdom caused an upheaval of immigration law that haunts invalid Aussie tradesmen trying to make a new life/wife. Yet the Liberal Govt wants tradesmen to continue working until aged 70 when the bodies are already completely worn out in many cases. Yet bumsitter Joe Hockey could not survive to 50 years without stomach surgery but he picked on hard working tradesmen with worn out bodies.

    Those big successful Chinese business are taking over our resource rich rural land, employing indentured labour from China at low rates and putting Aussies out of jobs. They are exporting shiploads of hay to China whilst Aussie graziers cattle are starving to death - so I have been told. Where is Pauline Hanson when we need her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Mike, there was an immigration scam amongst the Chinese about 20 years ago and the going price for a fiance visa was $50,000, so the Gov limited fiance visas to two in a lifetime. So if you want an exotic one like Donald Trump you only get to white and black once. At that time there was not the requirement of proving an ongoing marriage after two years so some Chinese guys who wanted and thought they were getting a genuine wife (as originally many males come alone) their missus was gone they could be broken in. So overall the Middle Kingdom caused an upheaval of immigration law that haunts invalid Aussie tradesmen trying to make a new life/wife. Yet the Liberal Govt wants tradesmen to continue working until aged 70 when the bodies are already completely worn out in many cases. Yet bumsitter Joe Hockey could not survive to 50 years without stomach surgery but he picked on hard working tradesmen with worn out bodies.

    Those big successful Chinese business are taking over our resource rich rural land, employing indentured labour from China at low rates and putting Aussies out of jobs. They are exporting shiploads of hay to China whilst Aussie graziers cattle are starving to death - so I have been told. Where is Pauline Hanson when we need her.
    That's quite a Gish Gallop

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Mike, there was an immigration scam amongst the Chinese about 20 years ago and the going price for a fiance visa was $50,000, so the Gov limited fiance visas to two in a lifetime. So if you want an exotic one like Donald Trump you only get to white and black once. At that time there was not the requirement of proving an ongoing marriage after two years so some Chinese guys who wanted and thought they were getting a genuine wife (as originally many males come alone) their missus was gone they could be broken in. So overall the Middle Kingdom caused an upheaval of immigration law that haunts invalid Aussie tradesmen trying to make a new life/wife. Yet the Liberal Govt wants tradesmen to continue working until aged 70 when the bodies are already completely worn out in many cases. Yet bumsitter Joe Hockey could not survive to 50 years without stomach surgery but he picked on hard working tradesmen with worn out bodies.

    Those big successful Chinese business are taking over our resource rich rural land, employing indentured labour from China at low rates and putting Aussies out of jobs. They are exporting shiploads of hay to China whilst Aussie graziers cattle are starving to death - so I have been told. Where is Pauline Hanson when we need her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    That's quite a Gish Gallop
    I looked up Gish Gallop as never heard of before and lo and behold it was named after a guy who I have seen his "work" as a creationist.

    My first reference re Chinese students was backed up by that SMH article, do a gallop of thirty years of immigration law and see how wrong I may be. Scomo only announced last week he will not persist in stretching the pension age to seventy years. Joe Hockey was like humpty dumpty before stomach staples and still a lot younger than working tradesmen. I deal with tradesmen some only in their fifties and most of them are seriously warn out. A friend recently told me how her 95 y.o. mother, from the Philippines who lived in Oz and worked in Oz hospitals for decades, has to return to Oz every 6 months or her fortnightly pension goes down to only about $250. Read immigration dept guides to know about immigration rules - I help people with such matters to save them thousands via immigration lawyers so am quite familiar with them. The rules are actually more strict than the 20 page guidelines state, so some applicants waste thousands of dollars in fees (up to $8000) due to deficient immigration information. The Liberal Party upped immigration fees to $8000, that is prepondous for invalid pensioner tradesmen. They are not very popular as marriage material for local ladies. I have ladies on my books from about 6 countries if you are interested.

    Now here is some real Gish Gallop that I listen to as posting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azWDGLuB6TE
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