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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamski View Post
    Over 100 players in open Zonal.
    I suppose the Oceania people and the organisers are grateful for all the entry fees but I can't help feeling that it's getting a bit out of hand. Is it perhaps time to be introducing some sort of qualification process which doesn't exclude anyone from having a go but doesn't just allow anyone to buy their way straight into what is, after all, a direct qualifier for the World Cup.

    Or is the attitude that the winner will be eliminated in the first round of the World Cup so it's all a bit of fun, or at most just another tournament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    I suppose the Oceania people and the organisers are grateful for all the entry fees but I can't help feeling that it's getting a bit out of hand. Is it perhaps time to be introducing some sort of qualification process which doesn't exclude anyone from having a go but doesn't just allow anyone to buy their way straight into what is, after all, a direct qualifier for the World Cup.

    Or is the attitude that the winner will be eliminated in the first round of the World Cup so it's all a bit of fun, or at most just another tournament?
    Absolutely agreed - it is an open tournament like any other. Would be great to have a rating floor of at least 2100 just like at national champs - and ''random soft titles'' - is yet another dimension of having such a large field!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    I suppose the Oceania people and the organisers are grateful for all the entry fees but I can't help feeling that it's getting a bit out of hand. Is it perhaps time to be introducing some sort of qualification process which doesn't exclude anyone from having a go but doesn't just allow anyone to buy their way straight into what is, after all, a direct qualifier for the World Cup.
    The World Cup is a joke itself, so don't take the Zonals too seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    Or is the attitude that the winner will be eliminated in the first round of the World Cup so it's all a bit of fun, or at most just another tournament?
    Exactly.

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    Round 2 results are up on NZ Chess website. Lots on 2/2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer View Post
    The World Cup is a joke itself, so don't take the Zonals too seriously.
    That's part of the answer. It's certainly clear that the Zonal isn't being taken too seriously by players or administrators as a qualifier for the World Cup.

    I don't see "soft titles" as having to be an issue as FIDE can legislate around it, and have progressively done so. The bigger risk is that if FIDE conclude that giving Oceania a guaranteed place isn't serving the aim of developing high-level chess in the region they may revisit the issue.

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    Good result for Alana with win over Helen. Not long ago they were room mates overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamski View Post
    Good result for Alana with win over Helen. Not long ago they were room mates overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinoTHEstud View Post
    Please get the live boards working.
    It is very frustrating that all liveboards that were working (16 liveboards, 12 Open and 4 Womens) just before the opening ceremony have now stopped working and are not even detectable.
    We're going to have the last attempt to get them working after round4 games are over. If they cannot be made to work by tonight, more than half the event would be over and not worth further attempts. Tonights the point where I'm making the decision to stop wasting more effort and write-off live broadcasting in this event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alana View Post
    Trying!
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    Are the games available? The PGN files didn't have any moves on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keong Ang View Post
    It is very frustrating that all liveboards that were working (16 liveboards, 12 Open and 4 Womens) just before the opening ceremony have now stopped working and are not even detectable.
    We're going to have the last attempt to get them working after round4 games are over. If they cannot be made to work by tonight, more than half the event would be over and not worth further attempts. Tonights the point where I'm making the decision to stop wasting more effort and write-off live broadcasting in this event.
    Very unfortunate about the lack of liveboards. When I was in the playing area just prior to the Players' Meeting on Saturday, it was already very warm. I'd be surprised if many of the players thought otherwise.

    Will there be any PGNs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    I suppose the Oceania people and the organisers are grateful for all the entry fees but I can't help feeling that it's getting a bit out of hand. Is it perhaps time to be introducing some sort of qualification process which doesn't exclude anyone from having a go but doesn't just allow anyone to buy their way straight into what is, after all, a direct qualifier for the World Cup.
    Only the winner of the Zonal qualifies for the World Cup, and invariably, one of the strongest players will win. Why not let everyone else participate as well? Playing alongside leading players is part of the attraction. Many of the players rated under 2000 who are playing in this particular Oceania Zonal might not see the same value in travelling to play in preliminary qualifying tournaments.

    In addition, FIDE will soon be tightening the rules in regard to direct titles. This may be a contributor towards the higher-than-usual number of entries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keong Ang View Post
    It is very frustrating that all liveboards that were working (16 liveboards, 12 Open and 4 Womens) just before the opening ceremony have now stopped working and are not even detectable.
    We're going to have the last attempt to get them working after round4 games are over. If they cannot be made to work by tonight, more than half the event would be over and not worth further attempts. Tonights the point where I'm making the decision to stop wasting more effort and write-off live broadcasting in this event.

    Best wishes with this, Keong. As you say extremely frustrating for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Hardegen View Post
    Only the winner of the Zonal qualifies for the World Cup, and invariably, one of the strongest players will win. Why not let everyone else participate as well? Playing alongside leading players is part of the attraction. Many of the players rated under 2000 who are playing in this particular Oceania Zonal might not see the same value in travelling to play in preliminary qualifying tournaments.

    In addition, FIDE will soon be tightening the rules in regard to direct titles. This may be a contributor towards the higher-than-usual number of entries.
    Why not?

    1) Soft titles for now ...including titles for those who are ....err...lets just say are no experts and it devalues the titles. A chess student of mine played a certain Australian WIM (twice)normally WIM are 2100-2200. This one is 1600-1700!
    2) Randomness in final results - the bigger the swiss is - the more final standings could be affected by the lack of draw.
    3) Letting players directly into the world cup is also part of the attraction potentially and I would not be surprised if FIDE starts doing it at some point just to earn more $$$ - but there's got to be some kind of standard!
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