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    Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?

    Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?

    Some religions like Christianity and Islam teach that people are condemned by God and that we have to work to gain salvation. God created us ill, and orders us to be well, on pain of tremendous eternal torture and eventual death. This teaching follows the one where we are told that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways. This makes the notions of condemnation and the need for salvation obvious lies.

    Gnostic Christianity does not use this type of carrot and stick motivation in its theology. We are Universalists and only see a heaven, no hell. We think God too good a creator to ever have to condemn anyone. Our God is a winner, not the loser God that Christianity has invented. All the Gods are myths created to help us reach our highest human potential and are only tools to open our inner eye. Our single eye as Jesus calls it.

    How we can forgive ourselves is that as Universalists, we have tied righteousness to equality. The logic trail from there says that if God is to punish anyone, he would have to punish everyone as everyone contributes to what we all are.

    For instance. If God were to punish Hitler, he would have to revue what made Hitler what he ended up being. God would follow his time line and see perhaps that his parents spanked him and God would know what we know today, that spanking creates resentment and a delinquent attitude. That beginning would see Hitler's parents setting his mindset which eventually flowered into his tyrannical nature. So to be just, God would automatically have to punish Hitler's parents. That same logic would apply to everyone who contributed or facilitated Hitler's rise to infamy.

    So for you and me to blame just ourselves for what we are would be quite unjust. This is not to say that we hold no responsibility for our actions, just not all of them.

    Do you agree that the need of Salvation promoted by religions is an evil lie?

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    Just when you think the coast is clear .............
    Ruin is formal, devil's work,
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    Fail in an instance no man did,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danse Macabre View Post
    Just when you think the coast is clear .............
    Learn how to look better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    Learn how to look better.

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    Learn how to disappear.

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    Ruin is formal, devil's work,
    Consecutive and slow -
    Fail in an instance no man did,
    Slipping - is Crash's law,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danse Macabre View Post
    Just when you think the coast is clear .............
    My guess is you invoked him when you typed his name out loud during your incoherent rant in the parliament thread.

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    I feel funny being on the defence side of the Christianity as I believe in God but do not follow any particular religion. However, the question why there is suffering if there is God has been already raised on many occasions. Googling should be sufficient .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
    My guess is you invoked him when you typed his name out loud during your incoherent rant in the parliament thread.
    Those two seem to be made for each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    God created us ill, and orders us to be well, on pain of tremendous eternal torture and eventual death.
    Yeah pretty sick right? Good thing it aint true.
    Last edited by road runner; 09-04-2016 at 03:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I feel funny being on the defence side of the Christianity as I believe in God but do not follow any particular religion. However, the question why there is suffering if there is God has been already raised on many occasions. Googling should be sufficient .
    Interesting! Which particular God do you believe in ... or have you made up your own God to suit? My own favourite God is Caissa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?
    Is the Pope a Catholic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammo View Post
    Interesting! Which particular God do you believe in ... or have you made up your own God to suit? My own favourite God is Caissa.
    I believe in existance of higher power/powers
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I feel funny being on the defence side of the Christianity as I believe in God but do not follow any particular religion. However, the question why there is suffering if there is God has been already raised on many occasions. Googling should be sufficient .
    It has for sure and after all that discourse, only fools will say in their hearts that there is a supernatural God.

    The ancients knew this but we have forgotten.

    http://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

    Why have you decided to believe in the supernatural, especially when the Christian God is such an evil demiurge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Yeah pretty sick right? Good thing it aint true.
    It is quite a vile system and yes, it is a good thing that it is all a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Is the Pope a Catholic?
    Not a good one, although he is slightly more forgiving while still discriminating against gays without a just cause.

    When the Pope cannot do unto others, we can know how hypocritical Catholicism is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I believe in existance of higher power/powers
    On what evidence or proof?

    What prompts your belief?

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