View Poll Results: Is the ABC's coverage of political issues biased?

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  • Yes, strongly to the left

    7 38.89%
  • Yes, slightly to the left

    2 11.11%
  • No, it is balanced

    6 33.33%
  • Yes, slightly to the right

    0 0%
  • Yes, strongly to the right

    0 0%
  • Not sure/other response

    3 16.67%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn McCool View Post
    That's only true for luxury items, not for essentials which we have to buy anyway. For example all of us who drive have to buy petrol.
    No you don't have to, you choose to.

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    Petrol is petrol—it's exactly the same product no matter which company's name is on the bowser—BP, Caltex, Shell, whatever. Yet oil companies spend squillions advertising their brands, which at the end of the line is paid for by us. That's capitalism at work.
    Yes it is, and nothing wrong with it. If the advertizing convinces more people to buy a brand, then it can save consumers because of the increased economies of scale. But no one is forced to buy any brand. They could buy a no-brand petrol from some mum-and-dad petrol station

    Quote Originally Posted by Finn McCool View Post
    As a taxpayer, there are lots of government initiatives I am forced to help fund whether I agree with them or not. That's democracy at work.
    Or rather, it is an unintended consquence called concentrated benefits and diffuse costs, which explains the widespread rent-seeking. But it's notable that Jefferson said:

    To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical. (Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    No you don't have to, you choose to.
    Don't be silly. Noone chooses to buy a car for the opportunity to buy petrol - car owners have no choice but to buy petrol if they want to run their cars.

    Yes it is, and nothing wrong with it. If the advertizing convinces more people to buy a brand, then it can save consumers because of the increased economies of scale. But no one is forced to buy any brand. They could buy a no-brand petrol from some mum-and-dad petrol station
    One brand of petrol cannot (legally) be advertised as superior to other brands, so there are no rational grounds for advertising. Drivers fill up at convenient locations without travelling further to find a preferred brand, and do not buy more petrol than they need. They have a freedom of choice between identical brands, and pay a premium for that choice in advertising costs. Economies of scale are derived from the closure of refineries - four remain in Australia when we once had nine, with the production shortfall met by imports from Asian super-refineries.

    Or rather, it is an unintended consquence called concentrated benefits and diffuse costs, which explains the widespread rent-seeking.
    When 80% of Australians approve of the ABC, it is not a minority interest group but the majority receiving a diffuse benefit .

    But it's notable that Jefferson said:

    To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical. (Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom)
    Absolutely. Which is why the ABC has a balanced editorial policy.
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    Sorry hadn't seen this going straight into your Goons comment!

    Quote Originally Posted by Finn McCool View Post
    I find Aljazeera News refreshing
    It's a state owned, anti - Western, anti-Semitic mouthpiece having huge bias issues with their services partly suspended in various countries!

    Quote Originally Posted by Finn McCool
    where else do you get on-the-ground news from third-world countries as it's happening.
    BBC and SBS TV and radio news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    It's a state owned, anti - Western, anti-Semitic mouthpiece having huge bias issues with their services partly suspended in various countries!
    State-owned, as are ABC and the Beeb, but AlJazeera English is mostly independent. Not being pro-western does not make it anti-western. I can't make any judgement on AlJazeera Arabic of course - it has been suspended in Egypt, Jordan, Israel, India et al[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn McCool View Post
    One brand of petrol cannot (legally) be advertised as superior to other brands, so there are no rational grounds for advertising.
    A parallel with the Prisoner Dilemma:

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    Criticising the ABC is fair enough, but this is just offensive:
    The online editor of conservative publication Quadrant has said it would have been preferable for the Manchester bomb to be exploded in the ABC’s Q&A studios on Monday night, blowing up host Tony Jones and the panellists.

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    Quadrant is one of the outlets that Jono idolises. So it makes sense that they are nutjobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    About time too. Best of all would be privatizing the ABC, so taxpayers are not forced to pay for their leftist agitprop and enormous salaries.
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Yes it is great to silence non-mainstream views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    About time too. Best of all would be privatizing the ABC, so taxpayers are not forced to pay for their leftist agitprop and enormous salaries.
    And how do you know what's on the ABC if you never watch it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    And how do you know what's on the ABC if you never watch it?
    I have watched it, given that I lived in Australia for many years. The point is that the ABC should compete in the marketplace rather than being funded by money coerced from taxpayers.
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    Can't they do 730 5 nights a week? Tried watching that new substitute last week, lost interest after a few mins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Can't they do 730 5 nights a week? Tried watching that new substitute last week, lost interest after a few mins.
    Old news but remember the election promise of no budget cuts to the ABC? Turned out Tony Abbott lied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    Old news but remember the election promise of no budget cuts to the ABC? Turned out Tony Abbott lied.
    They used to do a state based 730 on Fridays which was an inferior product and that got axed. Then they did the proper one 5 days, but now they stopped and replaced it with some other junk. So axing the state based one seems redundant at this point if they are funding an extra show anyway.
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