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    85th FIDE Congress Tromso

    As time permits I'll be posting any news of interest from the current FIDE congress. Note that there is already a thread on the Presidential election here:

    http://www.chesschat.org/showthread....sident-in-2014

    Re that Kasparov has huge banners around town in some of the motels for his campaign; both tickets have stands at the Expo section at the venue and their staff each have t-shirts.

    Currently waiting for Rules to begin. The Opening Address for commission heads was unusually a closed meeting; I think this was for space reasons.

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    IA Geurt Gijssen is stepping down as chair of Rules after 20 years.

    Have posted comments re the Rules meeting to various Arbiters Corner threads as a lot of that stuff is pretty specialised. But note the mobile phone rule is under review with a proposal to allow switched-off mobiles in the venue if they are inside a bag or jacket that a player is not wearing or carrying during the game.

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    Went to Qualifications Commission yesterday afternoon. Meeting 1 of 3 for them.

    A subcommittee of the QC is going to urgently review FIDE's federation transfer regulations, which are currently very messy and bad. However the directions from the current FIDE Treasurer Nigel Freeman indicated that the idea is to make transfers difficult, which is something I have a substantial philosophical issue with since I think many aspects of the FIDE system for which federation registration matters would run better if transfers for genuine cases were easier. This was despite the Ratings Officer confirming that changing someone's federation is a simple task, so basically the current Notification Fee is intended as a price signal.

    The QC is going to draft an option for female players to be able to get WFM/WCM titles from the Open Olympiad. It is also going to draft options for imposing a minimum rating for direct titles, such that a player who qualifies for a direct title does not get it until their rating exceeds a set level (this would come in from 2017 and is an excellent idea in principle.)

    There was a long and at times heated discussion about norms collected by players who play across multiple divisions of a teams competition, the eventual decision was that the QC wants this disallowed from next year.

    There was discussion about re-opening the possibility of accepting pre-2005 norms where a player can prove they did obtain the norm. The large majority of the room were in favour but the commission members split 4-4.

    There will be a system in which it is flagged on registration for ratings if an event is a National Championship final as some nations do not clearly state which events have this status.

    There was some discussion of the powers of registered Academies to recommend players for CM titles and submit events directly for rating; turns out none are doing the latter. This is a prelude to a more serious issue with Academies - their powers to select players for junior events even without federation approval. That will be discussed later.

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    I've been missing the collection of dangerous and extreme proposals that usually surface at a Congress but some sections of the proposed (unsure by exactly whom) Disciplinary Regulations for arbiters seem to fit the bill:

    http://www.fide.com/images/stories/N...s/Annex_12.pdf

    Especially items 3l and 3m. Nebulous star-chamber stuff. Scheduled to come up for the first time tomorrow morning.

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    3L and 3M are simply terrible ideas.
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    A collection of "dangerous and extreme proposals" you can say that again, Kevin!

    I think the whole article 1 about penalties has as many flaws and holes as a Swiss cheese. The English is utterly unhelpful and ambiguous. The ideas seems to origin from a manual on how to repress the people produced by "our great leader" in North Korea. Note that arbiters can be put on indefinite suspension before they have even been determined to do anything wrong, I suppose on the suspicion alone (by whom?). Penalty first, then figure out if the guy is guilty as charged. Justice like Alice in Wonderland.

    1.7 "Also the brutal behavior towards those persons (disqualification for 1 to 2 years)" - ROFL

    If a chess arbiter shows brutal behavior in a chess tournament, would it not be a case for the local police, rather than for the FIDE Arbiters' Commission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesper Norgaard View Post
    1.7 "Also the brutal behavior towards those persons (disqualification for 1 to 2 years)" - ROFL

    If a chess arbiter shows brutal behavior in a chess tournament, would it not be a case for the local police, rather than for the FIDE Arbiters' Commission?
    That one I have no problem with apart from bad English and lack of flexibility in the penalty. The ACF and New South Wales CA banned a player for two years for making a death threat against an arbiter. If an arbiter assaults a player it should be much the same.

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    That proposal was the main business item at the Arbiters meeting.

    3a, the "brutal" part of 3i,and the "corruption" part of 3k are removed because they are covered by the Ethics Commission.

    3l is removed. It was being said that it was removed before I spoke, then some were saying it was still in; after I had the obligatory rant about it it was clearly agreed it had been removed.

    3m I also complained about (the "social life" aspect only - too subjective and dangerous IMO) - no decision on this at the meeting so it may still be in.

    3d was argued about a lot - firstly that it should apply only to an event that is refused approval (not merely lacking it), secondly that in most cases a national federation should be the competent body, thirdly whether it was a good idea at all. The discussion became a free-for-all so we'll see what emerges.

    3f and g will apply to deliberate cases only with penalties harmonised and 3e will include a warning option.

    This is still all subject to a final draft then GA or PB (depending on timeline) approval.

    There was also discussion about when a player who has qualified for FA can start collecting IA norms. In the regs this is from the point of collecting their title but apparently in practice from the point of validly applying for it. It looks like the latter will become official. There was some suggestion it should be from the point of qualifying, whether the FA title has been applied for or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    That proposal was the main business item at the Arbiters meeting.

    3a, the "brutal" part of 3i,and the "corruption" part of 3k are removed because they are covered by the Ethics Commission.

    3l is removed. It was being said that it was removed before I spoke, then some were saying it was still in; after I had the obligatory rant about it it was clearly agreed it had been removed.

    3m I also complained about (the "social life" aspect only - too subjective and dangerous IMO) - no decision on this at the meeting so it may still be in.
    3M is recipe for disaster. Who decides what causes a reduction in prestige and what doesn't? How long until an arbiter finds aspects of their personal life (e.g. if they're gay) used to disqualify them by the unscrupulous and the bigoted? How many within the FIDE executove would actually support such an arbiter?

    Then, of course, how long before the UN finally notices FIDE and decides to take a firmer view? They've squished regional laws for things like that (e.g. Tasmania in ... was it '97 or earlier? I keep forgetting ...), so the regulations of a sporting body won't stand a chance.

    I do wonder, though, whether that clause was deliberately drafted in that way in order to be abused or to be directed at particular arbiters. I assume the authors are all anonymous in order to disguise the hand of any particular parties.
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    Today's Anti-Cheating Committee meeting was very unstructured (more accurately, it wasn't structured at all) but basically the initial ACC recommendations are being organised so they don't tread on the toes of other commissions who have all been making their own decisions in response to the recommendations. There have been a lot of jurisdictional issues mainly with the Ethics Commission.

    From yesterday's Systems of Pairings meeting it looks like rules A7d and A7e (which were passed many years before they appeared in the Handbook) may be chopped. Roberto Ricca pointed out that in cases A7e produces a larger number of players not getting their right colour than without it. There was a lot of discussion of whether a pairing program should be tested for its ability to produce correct tiebreaking output in final standings and the eventual decision was no.

    I picked up the agenda and reports for Events yesterday but didn't stay long at that meeting since it was at the same time as Pairings and the latter had less mumbly speakers Of some interest is that the development of FIDE's proposed dress code is contracted out to an Italian fashion house. Anything else of interest I'll pick up from the final report.

    Very nice reception at the Polaria last night - films of Svalbard wildlife, talk on Arctic and climate change, aurora film, tour of mini-aquarium, music, Arctic tapas and apertifs. Yours truly is second on the left of the FIDE President in this picture:

    https://twitter.com/PolariaTromso/st...603200/photo/1

    Election fever is in full swing with the Kirsan ticket issuing daily glossy double-sided A3 shitsheets* against the Kasparov team. "The Dark Campaign Of Garry Kasparov" etc.

    * A student-politics term for them. Written quite a few in my time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Today's Anti-Cheating Committee meeting was very unstructured (more accurately, it wasn't structured at all) but basically the initial ACC recommendations are being organised so they don't tread on the toes of other commissions who have all been making their own decisions in response to the recommendations. There have been a lot of jurisdictional issues mainly with the Ethics Commission.
    What exactly does this committee hope to achieve and just how far do that think their influence will extend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Election fever is in full swing with the Kirsan ticket issuing daily glossy double-sided A3 shitsheets* against the Kasparov team. "The Dark Campaign Of Garry Kasparov" etc.

    * A student-politics term for them. Written quite a few in my time!
    So Kirsan's team have read All the President's Men looking for campaign strategy, eh? Wonderful, maybe they'll find a train and do an actual whistlestop tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasimir View Post
    What exactly does this committee hope to achieve and just how far do that think their influence will extend?
    Basically to formulate recommendations on approaches to cheating to be (hopefully) picked up by the other commissions, that otherwise tend to lack co-ordination and focus on the matter.

    One thing being pushed for is an increase in punishments. At the moment you can't be banned for more than 3 years for anything. The ACC are proposing 15-year bans for a second computer-cheating offence.

    One concern I have is that while the ACC's work is good in terms of measures to tackle stupid cheats, there's not so much in there to catch the clever ones who would only spot-cheat (eg when they forgot their theory or had a critical tactical position.) But I think best they crawl first before they try to walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Basically to formulate recommendations on approaches to cheating to be (hopefully) picked up by the other commissions, that otherwise tend to lack co-ordination and focus on the matter.
    Different countries have their own ideas and tend to go in their own directions?! The temerity! Whatever shall FIDE *do*?!

    I do hope the scattered nature of these associations isn't coming as a surprise to anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    One thing being pushed for is an increase in punishments. At the moment you can't be banned for more than 3 years for anything. The ACC are proposing 15-year bans for a second computer-cheating offence.
    Fifteen years is pretty steep, but then I thought it would be pretty difficult to get access to a computer analysis while actually sitting in a FIDE tournament anyway. Online is one thing, but in a hall surrounded by rivals and arbiters is quite something else. Especially with the restrictive communications rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    One concern I have is that while the ACC's work is good in terms of measures to tackle stupid cheats, there's not so much in there to catch the clever ones who would only spot-cheat (eg when they forgot their theory or had a critical tactical position.) But I think best they crawl first before they try to walk.
    You could always take the (unofficial) line that if they're smart and inventive enough to not get caught then it's a legitimate strategy. Call it the Spartan Gambit.
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    Was a bit of stuff at QC yesterday about rating of games where a player is kicked out of an event for computer-cheating. Looks like none of their games from that event will be rated, even if someone beat them.

    There's a push for firstly all norm tournaments, then later all rated tournaments, to be run using approved pairing programs. Formal changes to this effect will be moved at the 2016 congress, to start mid-2019.

    The Asian continental meeting scheduled for this afternoon was cancelled at short notice (supposedly emailed to all federations but no one I spoke to had got it). This has happened at every Congress I have been to with this meeting, which usually ends up being boxed into some unsuitable time slot and rushed - there's some suggestion the Sheikh's availability is the major issue.

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    I hear there was a walkout by the governing pro-Kirsan faction at the Africa meeting after they were narrowly short of having the numbers and started losing votes on motions!

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