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    Persecution of Christians (sf Israel/Palestine)

    Five myths about global Christian persecution
    By Timothy Samuel Shah, December 10, 2013

    Most of these victims will continue to be ignored, however, as long as five myths continue to cloud popular thinking about global Christian persecution. Based on an abundance of new evidence, the experts in Rome will show that the myths don't stand up to the facts.

    Myth 1. Just a phenomenon in the Middle East. …

    Myth 2. Christians aren't greatly impacted. …

    Myth 3. Ramifications are just cultural. …

    Myth 4. Christianity has been a net nuisance, bringing persecution onto itself. It's often assumed that Christian missionaries and proselytizers invite persecution. But the fact is that Christians have made longstanding and unique contributions to their societies. Christians may proselytize. But even more often their faith motivates them to build hospitals, serve the poor, educate children, and aid victims of disaster. There is statistical evidence that regions of the world that have welcomed these kinds of Christian efforts have reaped enormous economic, political, and social benefits

    Myth 5. It couldn't happen here. A common myth is that it is just fear-mongering to imagine that Christians and other religious groups could suffer serious restrictions in Western countries. …

    Timothy Samuel Shah is Associate Director and Scholar-in-Residence at the Religious Freedom Project, Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs at Georgetown University.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Most of these victims will continue to be ignored, however, as long as five myths continue to cloud popular thinking about global Christian persecution. Based on an abundance of new evidence, the experts in Rome will show that the myths don't stand up to the facts.
    Never thought I'd see the day when Jono was citing "experts in Rome".
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    Myth 5 is threadbare on the evidence front in the linked article to say the least. The one case it cites explicitly involves Hobby Lobby, a religious arts and crafts store that is objecting to being required to cover emergency contraception in health insurance plans for its employees. It does puzzle me that the US requires companies to pay for health insurance plans that cover expenses unrelated to work, but that's their system. I suppose an Australian analogy might be if a company indicates it has a moral objection to paying its employees any portion of a wage that might be spent on abortion, and therefore wants to place a no-abortion clause on its workforce. That would of course be illegal in Australia and it is hardly an unreasonable persecution of religion that it is so.

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    With some 300,000+ churches in the USA, you shouldn't have far to run to find shelter from the burning torches and pitchforks Jono. Probably can hardly throw a stone without hitting the side of one.
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    Jono from abov:
    Myth 4. Christianity has been a net nuisance, bringing persecution onto itself. It's often assumed that Christian missionaries and proselytizers invite persecution. But the fact is that Christians have made longstanding and unique contributions to their societies. Christians may proselytize. But even more often their faith motivates them to build hospitals, serve the poor, educate children, and aid victims of disaster. There is statistical evidence that regions of the world that have welcomed these kinds of Christian efforts have reaped enormous economic, political, and social benefits

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    now Jono what about native South American communities where Christians, for the purpose of spreading stupid superstition, infected whole tribes with diseases they had never had exposure to previously, so they died like flies. And they knowingly do it coz the science has been in for decades on it.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    And Jono, your Roman Church in the Philippines has taken the Govt to highest court in an attempt to stop Reproduction Health Bill, that allows abortion and contraception in certain circumstances. Without that Bill millions more of poverty stricken children will be born. With little education, trade, capital, food, medicine etc - and many of the ladies will end up in brothels for first world males. That is what you are consigning them to.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    A grim outlook for Christianity
    THE AUSTRALIAN DECEMBER 26, 2013

    RESEARCH showing Christianity is now the most widely persecuted religious group in the world should be an urgent wake-up call to all who value the principles of religious freedom and tolerance enshrined in the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted 65 years ago this month. Indeed, Christianity could, after 2000 years, be facing the threat of extinction in its birthplace in the Middle East.

    The outlook is unremittingly grim for Christians in many parts of the world. In some of the darker corners, there are Christians for whom attending a church service is no longer an act of faithful witness but, as British Labour MP Douglas Alexander has succinctly put it, "an act of life-risking bravery".

    At last count, according to the Pew Research Centre, religious groups faced harassment in 160 countries. Christians were the targets in by far the largest number of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    At last count, according to the Pew Research Centre, religious groups faced harassment in 160 countries. Christians were the targets in by far the largest number of them.
    Sounds like a very suspect statistic. Since small sovereign states are more likely to be of the non Christian kind it doesn't say anything about the number of Christian facing persecution for their belief.

    Also the bigger problem for the Christians is the dwindling market share in the large secular countries where little no persecution is evident. When people are staying away from churches in larger droves than ever before that is when "extinction" is an issue. Although Christianity will never be completely dead, not for a long time anyway. There is no doubt it is seen as increasingly irrelevant in secular western democracies.
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    The Christians in Palestine certainly feel that they are persecuted and with good reason.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post

    lol maybe that Palestinian diplomat who took the tools of the trade in the office and blew himself up bought some of them for his last supper!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jak View Post
    lol maybe that Palestinian diplomat who took the tools of the trade in the office and blew himself up bought some of them for his last supper!
    at least he died for a just cause
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    We must stand up for Middle East's persecuted Christians
    By Johnnie Moore, January 31, 2014

    Christianity began in the East, not the West, yet today Christians in the East are enduring an all-out-assault by Islamic terrorists, while Christians in the West live their lives largely oblivious to it all. This has to change.

    This is no imaginary persecution; in Syria alone there have been reports of kidnappings, Christian communities intentionally displaced by militants and, worst of all, shootings and beheadings of Christians who refused to convert to Islam.

    In Egypt radicals have recently destroyed dozens of churches, and the once vibrant Christian population in Iraq has been decimated.

    See, what most American Christians don’t realize is that the “Islamic World” was once the Christian world. Some of the most well-known and influential leaders in the early church hailed from North Africa and the Middle East – like the warring theologians Athanasius and Arius, and the apologist Tertullian. It was for the library in Alexandria that the preeminent Greek version of the Torah (the “Septuagint”) was commissioned.

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    “If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.” — Abba Eban on the UN general assembly

    “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.” — Obi-Wan Kenobi on the UN kakistocracy

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    Why don't we hear about persecuted Christians?
    By Natasha Moore, The Drum, 1 Aug 2014

    Christians are persecuted in 139 nations around the world; it is estimated that up to four out of five acts of religious discrimination worldwide are directed against them. Countries that were previously moderate or avowedly secular have stepped up their hostility to Christians, such as Turkey, where over the last century the Christian presence has dwindled from 32% of the population to a tiny minority of 0.15 per cent. The Copts in Egypt, who have been continually present almost since the founding of Christianity, have long endured severe social, political and economic discrimination and in the wake of the Arab Spring have increasingly been the victims of mob violence, forced removals and the abduction of their girls and women who are then made to marry Muslim men.

    Once you scratch the surface, it isn't difficult to multiply examples, whether in communist, post-communist, Muslim or South Asian countries. Yet so few of these stories filter through to the "Christian" West.
    “If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.” — Abba Eban on the UN general assembly

    “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.” — Obi-Wan Kenobi on the UN kakistocracy

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    This supposedly ignored issue got an extensive airing from the supposedly left/secular ABC last night, with a lengthy and very sympathetic item very early in the Sunday news about persecution of Christians by the Islamic State scumbags.

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