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    Population Control

    With all the pressures on the planet due to overpopulation, industrialisation etc it is time all countries should consider population control.

    The world's resources are of course only finite yet our population seems infinite, e.g, Philippines gone from about 5 million 1900 to 80 million 2000.

    China has learnt the lesson and is now on a downward trend.

    Greed and profit making are other diseases that effect the environment. People should be more humble and less demanding and give the planet and other people a chance.

    As well colonised lands should have a policy to eventually give the land back to the native peoples. For example, in Australia, all non Aborigines be encouraged to have only one child so that eventually (over many generations) the Aborigine will be a majority of the population and rule the land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    With all the pressures on the planet due to overpopulation, industrialisation etc it is time all countries should consider population control.
    Why don't you lead by example?

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    The world's resources are of course only finite yet our population seems infinite, e.g, Philippines gone from about 5 million 1900 to 80 million 2000.
    And as the world's population has increased, so has its wealth. Read Julian Simon, who won a famous bet with that population doomsaying charlatan Paul R. Ehrlich, and describes people as "the ultimate resource". Even further back, Adam Smith argued that the prosperousness of a society was measured by how many people it contained.

    I would remind you of this page, where I replied to you about population doom mongers from almost two millennia ago.

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    China has learnt the lesson and is now on a downward trend.
    And having a huge male imbalance as parents use sex selection.

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    Greed and profit making are other diseases that effect the environment.
    Or they should be channelled by a free market economy to productive uses, given that they are human universals.

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    People should be more humble and less demanding and give the planet and other people a chance.
    So what will you give up? Roads, running water, electricity?

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    As well colonised lands should have a policy to eventually give the land back to the native peoples. For example, in Australia, all non Aborigines be encouraged to have only one child so that eventually (over many generations) the Aborigine will be a majority of the population and rule the land.
    That's racist of you, typical of leftards.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Why don't you lead by example?

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    Who says that I have not

    The world's wealth has increased but at what cost and for how long and for how much further? Artificial fertilizers have been saturated into the ground and will eventually run out anyway, enormous damage has been done to the environment to achieve such, e.g., cutting down rainforests that habitate endangered species of life etc, the greenhouse effect is coming on, and the planet is becoming too crowded for contemplation. China is putting out oodles more pollution than a few decades ago.

    And if the population keeps on increasing the problems become more severe.

    But how is wealth measured anyway? By inflated house prices? It is very easy to be a millionaire these days. And even if we are wealthier but have stuffed everything up what use is that.

    Did Jesus come for the wealthy?

    Jono
    And having a huge male imbalance as parents use sex selection. (China)

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    that is due to the continuation of old redundant, detrimental attitudes - just like it is okay to keep on polluting and overpopulating.


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    Greed and profit making are other diseases that effect the environment.

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    Or they should be channelled by a free market economy to productive uses, given that they are human universals

    AC
    if they are human universals then are going to blame God for them? Or they only humanly evolved and able to be educated out? These characteristics can be overly embedded in one's psyche due to abnormal circumstances or surroundings, I am sure that psychologists can help in this department.


    Jono,
    So what will you give up? Roads, running water, electricity?

    AC
    Shows your lack of genuine contribution and only being an idiot. It should be live simply so that others can simply live. That is meant in a wide variety of senses - don't have too many offspring, don't overconsume, don't overly use resources etc.

    Jono
    That's racist of you, typical of leftards.

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    it is not racist to return to native peoples what truly belongs to them, it is only being just. Also it would force us to be responsible for our overbreeding for hundreds of years.

    If we don't entertain this justice we are giving permission to future Hitlers to give it a go. If the Anglos can take over Canada, America and Australia then why cant the Germans - it is racist not to give the Germans the same liberties as the Anglos.

    The human race should attempt to get back to a population that can be eternally sustained by the planet - if we do not then we are not using our intelligence and no better than non-reasoning animals.

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    Now when I see a begging advertisement on SBS saying don't let a starving child die I ask why were such large families born?
    "All we are saying is give the Earth a chance"
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Now when I see a begging advertisement on SBS saying don't let a starving child die I ask why were such large families born?
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    Because of the high rate of infant and child mortality. In Europe in the mid-1800s families could expect to lose three or four of their children before puberty. Globally child mortality is now down to 2½%, but under-5s are still more likely to die than any other age group under 75.

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    As poverty decreases so do fertility, child mortality and birth rate.

    https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality

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    But now because of the blessing of vaccinations we rely on war, pandemics or birth control if we are lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    But now because of the blessing of vaccinations we rely on war, pandemics or birth control if we are lucky.
    150,000 children die every day

    The leading causes of death among children under five in 2017 were preterm birth complications, acute respiratory infections, intrapartum-related complications, congenital anomalies and diarrhea. Neonatal deaths accounted for 47% of under-five deaths in 2017.

    Ending preventable child deaths can be achieved by providing immediate and exclusive breastfeeding, improving access to skilled health professionals for antenatal, birth, and postnatal care, improving access to nutrition and micronutrients, promoting knowledge of danger signs among family members, improving access to water, sanitation, and hygiene and providing immunizations. Many of these lifesaving interventions are beyond the reach of the world’s poorest communities.

    https://www.who.int/gho/child_health...ity/causes/en/

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    ^ and every generation the numbers get bigger - we multiply like the virus requiring a bigger effort. So more wildlife reserves etc are desecrated to provide required resources - more of everything. Because we are over populating that proves that compared to centuries ago we haven't got the mix right.
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    Population doom-mongers totally discredited; stop listening to warm mongers too

    The Population Bomb Doomsday Scam
    The narrative we’ve been force-fed for decades is being abandoned by its strictest adherents.
    by STEPHEN MOORE AND DAVID M. SIMON, Spectator, 28 Jun 2021

    Stanford scientist Paul Ehrlich became the most famous academic in the world with his mega-bestseller The Population Bomb and its widely quoted opening sentence: “The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.” Ehrlich was Al Gore before there was Al Gore.

    It wasn’t just some academic kooks who were peddling these apocalyptic predictions. In 1975, a statement signed by such luminaries as soon-to-be National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, Nobel Prize-winning scientist Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, business titans J. Paul Getty and Henry Luce III, United Auto Workers President Leonard Woodcock, and others appeared on a full page of the Wall Street Journal with a similar forecast: “The world as we know it will likely be ruined before the year 2000,” because “food production cannot keep pace with the galloping growth of population.”

    The UN Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific predicted “500 million starvation deaths in Asia between 1980 and 2025.”

    The experts were only off by about 99 percent. In reality, there has been no mass starvation other than in draconian socialist economies like North Korea and mid-1980s Ethiopia. The University of Oxford’s Our World in Data reports that worldwide famine deaths have sharply decreased from an annual average of over 1.6 million in the 1960s to less than 40,000 in since 2010 — and that total famine deaths worldwide (not just in Asia) were less than six million from 1980 through 2016.

    Instead, even as the world’s population doubled from 3.7 billion in 1970 to 7.4 billion in 2015, food production rose even faster. India with 1.39 billion people has become a major agricultural exporter. Death rates nearly everywhere have plummeted. In the United States farm productivity rose so rapidly — with an almost tripling in yields — that the government has had to pay farmers not to grow so much food.

    The world’s population is larger, but humans today live longer and are healthier, vastly more prosperous, and better fed. Our World in Data reports that from 1970 through 2015, world extreme poverty fell from almost 48 percent to less than 10 percent.

    In reality, the lesson of the population bomb lie is that false doomsday alarms come at a high cost, and in this case unleashed horrific outcomes. How many millions of women and couples in the U.S. and worldwide tragically followed the advice of the Malthusians that they had an ethical or moral obligation to have fewer children or even to go childless?

    Much worse were the activities of repressive foreign governments in Africa, China, Egypt, India, and Central America, which bought into the primal screams of Western academics and imposed gruesome population control programs — including strapping women to metal tables and performing forced abortions and sterilizations to reduce births. China’s ghastly one-child policy led to millions of sex selection abortions and infanticides. Tens of millions of girls in China went missing.

    Yet, in the name of “saving the planet,” the U.S. government and the UN applauded these inhumane tactics — and even helped finance them. So much for women having control of their own bodies.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The Population Bomb Doomsday Scam
    The narrative we’ve been force-fed for decades is being abandoned by its strictest adherents.
    by STEPHEN MOORE AND DAVID M. SIMON, Spectator, 28 Jun 2021

    Stanford scientist Paul Ehrlich became the most famous academic in the world with his mega-bestseller The Population Bomb
    Force-fed for decades? The only time it's heard of nowadays is when you drag it up. A five-fold increase in crop yields, brought about by improved fertilisers and pesticides, and scientifically improved seed varieties, staved off world famine.

    However global warming is now taking its toll of arable lands and water resources. Global malnutrition is on the rise again

    Climate change is affecting crop yields and reducing global food supplies

    Drastically changing rainfall patterns are reshaping WA's vast wheatbelt

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    wow and I thought China was criticized for the ''one child policy'' - the policy that is gone by the way .
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    I think there is a more serious ''politically incorrect'' socio-demographics problems: some druggies and other bums procreate like rabbits while many professionals chose not to have kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I think there is a more serious ''politically incorrect'' socio-demographics problems: some druggies and other bums procreate like rabbits while many professionals chose not to have kids.
    Well the child free professionals need someone to leave their money to
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I think there is a more serious ''politically incorrect'' socio-demographics problems: some druggies and other bums procreate like rabbits while many professionals chose not to have kids.
    Many 'druggies' are professionals, of course. But I seriously doubt that "druggies ... procreate like rabbits", and even if they do, it's irrelevant in the long run because their children benefit from social support programs:
    Also, if the Flynn effect has ended for the majority in developed nations, it may still continue for minorities, especially for groups like immigrants where many may have received poor nutrition during early childhood or have had other disadvantages. A study in the Netherlands found that children of non-Western immigrants had improvements for g, educational achievements, and work proficiency compared to their parents, although there were still remaining differences compared to ethnic Dutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I think there is a more serious ''politically incorrect'' socio-demographics problems: some druggies and other bums procreate like rabbits while many professionals chose not to have kids.
    Check your privilege

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ucation-income

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