View Poll Results: How long will Tony Abbott be Prime Minister?

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  • He will resign or be replaced before the next election

    3 14.29%
  • He will lead the party to the next election but lose it

    4 19.05%
  • He will win the next election but not be PM at the one after it

    5 23.81%
  • He will win the next election but lose the one after it

    1 4.76%
  • He will win the next two elections

    7 33.33%
  • He will win the next 3, 4 or 5 elections

    1 4.76%
  • He will be there longer than Menzies

    0 0%
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    I didn't see Prince Philip mentioned in the honours today. That must have been a blow for him!
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    That awkward moment when you're trying to be Howard but realise you're Rudd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    That awkward moment when you're trying to be Howard but realise you're Rudd.
    Rudd without the public popularity. And with (apparently) a vanishing support in his own party since his ridiculous comments about the submarine plan.

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    Tony Abbott has been relegated to a bit part in the downfall of his government
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    ...Abbott does not seem to have the benefit of hindsight just yet – it has been almost six bruising months since he lost his job but our 28th prime minister maintains he did a great job. Credlin and Abbott’s responses to the book post-publication – they were not asked for comment by Savva – not only fiercly deny an affair but state their competency as fact.

    The focus, vitriol and blame heaped on Credlin is quite extraordinary, and of course there are elements of sexism, but the main player, the actual prime minister, the man who was in charge of Australia has been relegated a bit part in the downfall of his government.

    After being painted as a man-child who came under the spell of That Woman on his road to the prime ministership, Abbott issued a curt statement. “The best response to this book is the objective record of the Abbott government,” he said after the first day of the media carnival surrounding

    When Abbott talks about the objective record he is talking about three things in particular – stopping the boats, axing the carbon and mining taxes and the vague notion of “keeping Australia safe”. The “objective record” shows that together the prime minister and his chief of staff were good at making sure things did not happen – perhaps something their critics and fans can agree upon. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn McCool View Post
    When Abbott talks about the objective record he is talking about three things in particular – stopping the boats, axing the carbon and mining taxes and the vague notion of “keeping Australia safe”. ...
    And fixing the budget emergency. Oh wait, didn't do anything on that one.
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    Thread renamed, hopefully permanently

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    And fixing the budget emergency. Oh wait, didn't do anything on that one.
    2014: Budget crisis
    2015: Crisis? What crisis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn McCool View Post
    The focus, vitriol and blame heaped on Credlin is quite extraordinary, and of course there are elements of sexism, but the main player, the actual prime minister, the man who was in charge of Australia has been relegated a bit part in the downfall of his government.
    I don't believe Savva's book puts the blame onto Credlin exclusively. On the contrary, she is highly critical of Tony Abbott for giving so much power to staffers over elected representatives, and for failing to recognise the problems that his close relationship with Credlin (whatever it was) was causing within the party and within government. As Savva points out, whether there actually was an affair between them is entirely immaterial to the thesis of the book.

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    Neil Brown, former deputy Liberal leader
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    Spectator, Australia, 2 April 2016

    A new authoritarianism has descended … It is unacceptable that you might have a different opinion from the establishment on climate change, same-sex marriage, adoption by same sex couples, illegal refugees, abortion, the republic, the family, the sexual agenda in schools, foreign aid, religious freedom, government spending, freedom of speech, Israel, Islam and any proposal for changing the constitution. As views other than the official ones are unacceptable, what is also unacceptable is that you should be allowed to express them. …

    The new authoritarianism has found a very fertile field in the denigration of Tony Abbott which has now reached an hysterical crescendo. He represents a separate strain of opinion from the mush that passes for policy in the Liberal party today and consequently must be stopped and silenced, not by logic, but by ridicule and abuse. …

    The most egregious example of this practice is the recent attempt by the PM to belittle his predecessor’s achievement in stopping the boats bringing illegal migrants into this country. Turnbull’s argument is that the boats were stopped, not under Abbott, but Howard. For Turnbull, the crazy excesses of Rudd/Gillard that allowed people smugglers back into business and Tony Abbott’s successful response just did not happen. This is little better than the whiting-out of any inconvenient facts by Turnbull that might diminish his own wondrous lustre. Worse, you would think that Turnbull would have at least an ounce of feeling that here was a policy of which Abbott was justly proud and would allow him this one tick of approval. … Abbott’s supporters, guilty of the unacceptable sin of loyalty, are now condemned and abused as malcontents, subversives and troglodyte. …

    Then we have seen the unedifying spectacle of the Liberal Party itself promoting the line that Abbott should not stand again for election, campaign in the election, speak at conferences or even write articles. You would think that any political party with a former leader who had brought it back from disintegration and got it into government would show gratitude, welcome his experience and invite him to contribute to the debate. …
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Neil Brown, former deputy Liberal leader
    Brown Study
    Spectator, Australia, 2 April 2016

    A new authoritarianism has descended … It is unacceptable that you might have a different opinion from the establishment on climate change, same-sex marriage, adoption by same sex couples, illegal refugees, abortion, the republic, the family, the sexual agenda in schools, foreign aid, religious freedom, government spending, freedom of speech, Israel, Islam and any proposal for changing the constitution. As views other than the official ones are unacceptable, what is also unacceptable is that you should be allowed to express them. …
    What absolute garbage. What is Brown's argument for such a litany of Orwellian suppression?... Oh there is none. What a surprise. Just another Abbott brown-noser trying to white-ant the government.
    So einfach wie möglich, aber nicht einfacher - Albert Einstein

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    The coalition government under Abbott and Turnbull has chalked up an impressive list of non-achievements so far:

    Lied about releasing all children from immigration detention. source
    Spent $3.3 million on another study into ‘wind turbine syndrome’, even though their own senate inquiries have shown there’s no such thing. source
    Prohibited people who owe money to Centerlink from leaving the country, regardless of how small the debt is or how soon they will return. source
    Spent $45,000 replacing lost and stolen devices for just one department. source
    Reneged on their promise to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria, instead accepting 26. source
    Spent $55 million to resettle just two refugees in Cambodia. source
    Cut domestic violence leave for public servants. source
    Scrapped the “Safe Schools” anti-bullying program, on the National Day of Action Against Bullying. source
    Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. source
    Claimed that scrapping negative gearing would simultaneously increase and decrease house prices. source
    Spent $15.4 million on research into globally damaging an increasingly unprofitable fossil fuels. source
    Requested in inquiry into an anti-bullying program which focused on fostering tolerance for queer youth. source source
    Spent $1.3 million on CCTV surveillance for an impoverished indigenous community who are desperately in need of more funding for education, health, housing and welfare. source
    Cut funding for research missions by a world class marine science ship, instead renting out the ship to foreign fossil fuel companies looking for oil and gas in Australian waters. source
    Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. source
    Proposed new broad powers for the Attorney-General so that the government can demand that telcos do unspecified “things”, which could include filtering the internet, tracking everyone’s browsing history and more. source
    Attempted to exempt telcos and law enforcement agencies from laws requiring users to be notified if their personal information has been breached. source
    Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. source
    Cut the pension for 35,000 public service retirees. source
    Spent $1.3 million on medals for Border Force staff, despite the alleged budget emergency. source
    Increased the cost of pap smears. source
    Told myGov users to downgrade the security on their account when travelling overseas, which is when security risks are highest. source
    Refused to allow the family of a terminally ill man to temporarily enter Australia to see their son one last time before he died. source
    Paid Telstra $80 million to fix the copper network which Telstra sold to the government. source
    Proposed an exemption so that internet providers and some other companies are not required to inform customers when their data is stolen by malicious third parties. source
    Spent almost $6000 to fly a minister’s family to a coastal holiday. source
    Violated international law by illegally conducting war in Syria. source
    Refused to give citizenship to eligible permanent residents, years after their refugee claims were accepted. source
    Spent $1770 on 3 bean bags. source
    Paid $1.5 billion for the East West Link far earlier than necessary, so that it would fall into Labor’s financial year, to make them look worse. source
    Started regularly strip searching innocent females on Nauru, with only male staff present. source
    Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra – instead of catching a normal plane – because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. source
    Banned zoo visits for children in detention, deeming them “inappropriate”, and ruling that they must remain imprisoned instead. source
    Made refugees work with deadly friable asbestos without any training and almost no equipment. source
    Appointed a Windfarm Commissioner, who is paid $205,000 per year, for the part-time job. source source
    Refused to investigate, prosecute or do anything to a foreign company who built a large port and cut down large areas of forest home to endangered species, without environmental approval. source
    Introduced cashless welfare cards to reduce the autonomy and control that support recipients have over their spending. source
    Removed the requirements that crews on ships operating for months between Australian ports get paid Australian-level wages. source
    Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. source
    Spent $1.3 billion on replacements for Defence Force Land Rovers, despite the alleged budget emergency. source
    Funded ethnic cleansing and war crimes in PNG. source
    Tried to remove exclusion zones around abortion clinics which are designed to protect patients from harassment. source
    Voted against a motion which called for independent investigation of the bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan by the USA, which is a war crime. source
    Refused to give counseling to a pregnant woman prior to an abortion. The woman was raped whilst in our asylum seeker prisons. source
    Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. source
    Spent $18.5 million on a facial recognition program to log and spy on every Australian, store social media photos and potentially conduct live tracking of all citizens. source source source
    Spent $80,000 on catering for a week long trip to Cape York and Torres Strait, despite the alleged budget emergency. source
    Forced an asylum seeker to pay for medicine to treat an injury they got when a government employee physically assaulted them. source
    Laughed and joked about the pacific islands whose very existence is threatened by climate change sea rises. source
    Scrapped the requirement that the board members of the National Disability Insurance Scheme have actual experience with disabilities (either personally, or through someone close). source
    Started advertising the jobs of the National Disability Insurance Scheme board without notifying the current board. source
    Lied about how many refugees we take. source
    Cited ‘the boats have stopped’ as evidence that the economy is doing well. source
    Told an Australian company to sack their Australian employees and hire foreigners, in order to remain competitive under the government’s new shipping deregulation rules. source
    Spent $24,000 on koala hire for a G20 photo opportunity, despite the alleged budget emergency. source
    Spent over $100,000 on flags for the G20 summit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source
    Broke an election promise to cut the company tax rate by 1.5%. source
    Broke an election promise to introduce a new paid parental scheme. source
    Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. source
    Broke an election promise to not change GST, by removing the exemption for online purchases. source
    Did not attempt to conduct privacy impact assessments for 90% of their terror bills. source
    Lifted a ban on the import of a particular shotgun which has a fast firing rate and seven shot magazine capacity. source
    Spent $24.6 million on an advertising campaign to spruik the benefits of a trade deal (whose content is secret), despite the alleged budget emergency. source
    Illegally gave approval to an environmentally damaging mine. They then criticised those who pointed out the crime, and tried to change the law so that environmentalists cannot take legal action against illegal mines. source
    Refused to offer treatment and support to an asylum seeker who was raped on Nauru. source

    and the list goes on, and on ...

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    Not a reliable source. Breaking the PPL promise was one good thing they did, since that was one of Abbott's sillier ideas. Not cutting corporate tax rate was more serious.
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Not a reliable source...
    Perhaps not per se, but a reference is given for every instance of government misfeasance
    Last edited by Ian Murray; 12-04-2016 at 07:42 AM.

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