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    Miscellaneous same-sex issues thread [No SSM posts here please]

    Russian MPs vote overwhelmingly to outlaw gay ‘propaganda’
    11 June 2013

    The Russian parliament has voted almost unanimously to pass a law to punish the promotion of homosexuality with fines and jail terms.

    436 deputies voted in favour and none against. There was one abstention.

    The law – condemned by gay rights campaigners – bans what it calls the “propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations” to minors. The word “homosexual” was removed from the text but in parliament one of the law’s backers said “traditional” relations were between a man and a woman.

    “It outlaws the spreading of information aimed at forming non-traditional sexual attitudes among children,” said Duma deputy Elena Mizulina.

    She also confirmed that it would become an offence to say that gay and straight relationships were equal. “A distorted perception”, she added.

    Under the law people can be fined up to a maximum of over 2,000 euros if the offence is committed via the media. Foreigners who promote homosexuality can be fined, detained for 15 days and deported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Russian MPs vote overwhelmingly to outlaw gay ‘propaganda’
    11 June 2013

    The Russian parliament has voted almost unanimously to pass a law to punish the promotion of homosexuality with fines and jail terms.

    436 deputies voted in favour and none against. There was one abstention.

    The law – condemned by gay rights campaigners – bans what it calls the “propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations” to minors. The word “homosexual” was removed from the text but in parliament one of the law’s backers said “traditional” relations were between a man and a woman.
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    “It outlaws the spreading of information aimed at forming non-traditional sexual attitudes among children,” said Duma deputy Elena Mizulina.

    She also confirmed that it would become an offence to say that gay and straight relationships were equal. “A distorted perception”, she added.

    Under the law people can be fined up to a maximum of over 2,000 euros if the offence is committed via the media. Foreigners who promote homosexuality can be fined, detained for 15 days and deported.
    So Jono if someone is 14 days late returning from Russia we should look at them sideways?
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    Ironically, the Russian law seems to be based on Margaret Thatcher's Section 28, which the UK abolished over a decade ago.

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    The true irony is Russia purporting to outlaw propaganda of any ilk.
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    Shame that Russia continues moving away from liberal democracy in both senses while some westerners ignore it (yay! we won the cold war!)

    In Tasmania in 1997 some members of the Legislative Council tried to make laws of this sort a condition of repealing Tasmania's anti-gay-sex laws at the time (which were still on the books but had been overruled by the Commonwealth). Fortunately the amendment was lost, 8-10 I think.

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    I still haven't worked out from the context of the opening post whether Jono supports the new Russian law or is opposed to it ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughfather
    I still haven't worked out from the context of the opening post whether Jono supports the new Russian law or is opposed to it ...
    It was originally posted off-topic on the same-sex marriage thread, if that helps. It probably doesn't.

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    It certainly looks like Russia won't be tolerating this crap:

    The State of Colorado's Rights Division ruled that a first-grade boy who identifies and dresses as a girl may use the girls' restroom at school. The school had previously allowed the first-grader to use a bathroom in either the teachers' lounge or in the nurse's office, but not the girls' bathroom.

    Now, first-grade girls must share their bathroom with a fellow first-grader who has a penis. There is every reason to have pity on this child. But that is not a valid reason to subject all the girls to issues such as gender confusion at such a young age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    It certainly looks like Russia won't be tolerating this crap:

    The State of Colorado's Rights Division ruled that a first-grade boy who identifies and dresses as a girl may use the girls' restroom at school. The school had previously allowed the first-grader to use a bathroom in either the teachers' lounge or in the nurse's office, but not the girls' bathroom.

    Now, first-grade girls must share their bathroom with a fellow first-grader who has a penis. There is every reason to have pity on this child. But that is not a valid reason to subject all the girls to issues such as gender confusion at such a young age.
    But there isn't any 'pro-gay propaganda' here. Unless you think that even mentioning this person is 'pro-gay'. Which shows how silly the law is - you can't change reality with a law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom
    Ironically, the Russian law seems to be based on Margaret Thatcher's Section 28, which the UK abolished over a decade ago.
    I wonder how Her Majesty felt giving Royal Assent to the Bill? Probably the topic for that morning over scones and jam and English breakfast tea. She probably thought what is good enough for her stallions is good enough for the peasantry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    It certainly looks like Russia won't be tolerating this crap:

    The State of Colorado's Rights Division ruled that a first-grade boy who identifies and dresses as a girl may use the girls' restroom at school. The school had previously allowed the first-grader to use a bathroom in either the teachers' lounge or in the nurse's office, but not the girls' bathroom.

    Now, first-grade girls must share their bathroom with a fellow first-grader who has a penis. There is every reason to have pity on this child. But that is not a valid reason to subject all the girls to issues such as gender confusion at such a young age.
    To show how silly the Russian law is, Jono could probably be prosecuted under it for this post - assuming that Chess Chat is available in Russia, and his post was read by a minor.

    Obviously Jono is only posting it to attack the Colorado decision, but it still could have the effect of "forming non-traditional sexual attitudes among children", by exposing them to the possibility that a boy could dress as a girl.

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    Thread title and scope

    As a few posters are unable to post on-topic on same-sex issue threads I've decided to make this the miscellaneous same-sex issue thread for same-sex issue discussions that are largely or entirely not related to same-sex marriage (which has its own thread) or same-sex parenting (ditto). New material that's largely or entirely related to either of those issues should be posted on the related threads but thread drift onto those topics from this thread is OK and will be moved if needed.

    Now that this thread exists I'll be especially harsh on new generic same-sex issue material posted on the other two. Again, natural thread drift can go wherever it likes within reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    It certainly looks like Russia won't be tolerating this crap
    Looks like Jono has shown his hand. As I've explained before, Jono's version of libertarianism is simply unfettered selfishness where he believes that everyone else's liberties should be restricted in order to maximise his own sense of freedom. What a childish philosophy he espouses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughfather
    Looks like Jono has shown his hand. As I've explained before, Jono's version of libertarianism is simply unfettered selfishness where he believes that everyone else's liberties should be restricted in order to maximise his own sense of freedom. What a childish philosophy he espouses.
    surely if Jono is a libertarian he must be in favour of lax sexual mores - unless when goes a bit bonky in his old age, as we all do, he will let of of his inhibitions and do and chase whatever goes by

    I witnessed it with a dementia sufferer. Was the perfect gentleman when okay, but lost his marbles poor guy and began attacking all the girls, but to stay on topic I did not notice him groping the gays around the place including the crossdressers
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    re Phil and gay tolerance Vs Australia

    the most popular guy on TV is comedian and show host Vice Ganda (meaning bad and beautiful), and most popular serial is My Husbands Lover, the lover being a gay (NTTIAWWT) - well we did have Graham Kennedy as our no 1 funny guy it was not well known that he was gay (diff era).
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