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    Vega Chess New Zealand edition

    The New Zealand Chess Federation Inc. has purchased Vega
    http://www.vegachess.com
    for New Zealand wide use in all chess tournaments.

    You are encouraged to use Vega as chess tournament software for all
    tournaments. This includes unrated small school/fun tournaments right
    through to the highest level Grandmaster tournaments that need to comply
    with FIDE regulations.

    NZCF has licensed Vega so that everyone is allowed to use it within New
    Zealand. There are no other charges for using Vega.

    Current latest version is Vega 6.4
    Download latest version of Vega and manual from
    http://www.vegachess.com/tl/index.php/downloaden.html

    Print out the 70 page manual and read it to avoid common problems.

    In order to unlock Vega you need the New Zealand registration file, regcode.txt
    Save regcode.txt file into the same folder that Vega6.4 (or later) is installed
    in.
    You can download this file from http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/

    Some NZCF specific things:
    There is only one field for player name. In order for player names to be
    submitted correctly for NZCF ratings, please enter name in "<surname>,
    <given names>" format.
    It is important that the surname is the leftmost word and immediately
    followed by a comma(,).
    The easiest way to enter players is by loading them from the NZCF
    alphabetical rating list that is provided in Vega format. These lists
    (standard and rapid) are available for download from
    http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/
    look for the links to the .csv files under "Lists in Vega-friendly
    format:"

    You should also load the latest FIDE rating list into Vega and then
    update player FIDE ratings automatically. Player's FIDE IDs are already
    entered from the NZCF ratings list and these would be used to update
    their FIDE ratings.
    Please refer to the Vega manual for more details of such database
    operations.

    While Vega can generate the NZCF ratings report for submission under the
    "Rating Report", you should send the entire contents of the Vega
    tournament folder for ratings. This way, any errors can be easily
    corrected by the ratings officer.
    Similarly, all FIDE tournament reports, and player norm certificates can
    be produced by Vega. You should also send the entire Vega tournament
    folder for FIDE rating submissions.

    Note that you can still continue using all previously NZCF approved
    software (eg. Swiss Perfect) for NZCF rated tournaments.

    FIDE rated tournaments with computerised swiss pairings must use Vega as
    tournament software.
    When using Vega for computerised swiss pairings, you must use Dubov
    swiss pairings as that is the only one currently endorsed by FIDE. FIDE
    has just approved Vega for the more familiar Dutch swiss pairings using
    JaVaFo but has not yet officially endorsed it. Expect endorsement in
    early 2013.

    A New Zealand Vega manual covering NZ specific settings or subjects is
    currently being compiled. When available, it would need to be read in
    conjunction with the Vega manual.

    It is highly recommended that you try out Vega to get familiar with it
    before running a critical tournament.

    Feel free to ask me any questions. These questions would help make the
    NZ Vega manual more useful and relevant.


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    Thanks Keong. I assume using the Dubov setting means one can still choose to use the Danuabian variant of this and/or the WWW/BBB box or choose not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keong Ang
    FIDE rated tournaments with computerised swiss pairings must use Vega as
    tournament software.
    Obviously a decision by the NZCF as there is no such FIDE requirement that FIDE rated tournaments use FIDE approved programs in the FIDE handbook.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keong Ang
    When using Vega for computerised swiss pairings, you must use Dubov
    swiss pairings as that is the only one currently endorsed by FIDE. FIDE
    has just approved Vega for the more familiar Dutch swiss pairings using
    JaVaFo but has not yet officially endorsed it. Expect endorsement in
    early 2013.
    Again obviously a decision by the NZCF as there is no such FIDE requirement that FIDE rated tournaments use FIDE approved programs in the FIDE handbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    Obviously a decision by the NZCF as there is no such FIDE requirement that FIDE rated tournaments use FIDE approved programs in the FIDE handbook.
    Again obviously a decision by the NZCF as there is no such FIDE requirement that FIDE rated tournaments use FIDE approved programs in the FIDE handbook.
    Who cares if its NZCF's decision? Vega gives better pairings than SP, and it's nice to see them using a superior software - I can only hope that the ACF legislates similar requirements soon enough.
    Congratulations to NZCF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by first25plus5
    Thanks Keong. I assume using the Dubov setting means one can still choose to use the Danuabian variant of this and/or the WWW/BBB box or choose not to.
    When using Dubov pairings in a FIDE rated tournament, do NOT check "Accept WWW/BBB"
    Doing so would break FIDE rules and is prohibited in a FIDE rated tournament.

    You should use the Danubian Variant for Dubov since that has already come into effect however you can still use the older Dubov version since FIDE has still not updated their handbook. Happily the older Dubov is the default setting since that would automatically let pairings be done according to the FIDE Handbook as published.

    While Vega has lots of flexibility, most of the pairing options cannot be used in a FIDE rated tournament since that would break the rules!
    All this additional options/settings makes Vega very flexible and practical to use since most tournaments in NZ are not FIDE rated and need to meet all sorts of needs. eg. you may want to avoid pairing people who come to your club specifically to play with other people (they are tired of playing each other).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    Obviously a decision by the NZCF as there is no such FIDE requirement that FIDE rated tournaments use FIDE approved programs in the FIDE handbook.
    Again obviously a decision by the NZCF as there is no such FIDE requirement that FIDE rated tournaments use FIDE approved programs in the FIDE handbook.
    Thankfully FIDE recommends the use of endorsed programs instead of making their use compulsory.
    I doubt there would be any FIDE rated tournament in NZ that FIDE would reject simply because non-endorsed programs were used.

    It is a different situation when a FIDE rated tournament produces player norms. Norm opportunities are few and hard to come by in NZ. The NZCF is not going to risk hard won norms becoming invalid because the pairings that produced it were incorrect.
    Additionally, when the NZCF has to go through considerable cost (that will ultimately be borne by the chess community) to license arbiters next year just to comply with FIDE requirements, we are not going to jeopardise these licenses through tournaments that are incorrectly paired by an unendorsed program. Much simpler and prudent to simply make the use of Vega compulsory whenever a tournament involves FIDE.

    The NZCF made Vega available to use in any NZ chess tournament FREE of charge. Every chess tournament at every level in NZ is now able to have the best up-to-date software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhughes
    Who cares if its NZCF's decision? Vega gives better pairings than SP, and it's nice to see them using a superior software - I can only hope that the ACF legislates similar requirements soon enough.
    Congratulations to NZCF!
    Thanks for this.

    Vega's pairings are correct, as long as you think FIDE's swiss pairing rules are correct. They are certainly more correct than SP's.

    Vega is only required for FIDE rated tournaments and above. Even then, there is the option of using some other FIDE endorsed software.
    Note that this requirement only applies to computerised swiss pairings.
    Round Robins, manual swiss pairings (with pairing cards) do not need to use Vega.

    I'm sure the ACF would make decisions that are suited to Australia. The NZCF has more than enough to do here in NZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keong Ang
    It is a different situation when a FIDE rated tournament produces player norms. Norm opportunities are few and hard to come by in NZ. The NZCF is not going to risk hard won norms becoming invalid because the pairings that produced it were incorrect.
    I'm not aware of anything that requires that incorrect pairings invalidate a player title norm. Indeed there are frequently pairing differences between the approved pairing programs - often meaning that one or both is getting it wrong - and these do not invalidate norms. There is some possibility for the use of a bad pairing system to invalidate a norm but only in extreme circumstances (eg the system was very unfair or grossly violated the requirements of the Tournament Rules).

    Additionally, when the NZCF has to go through considerable cost (that will ultimately be borne by the chess community) to license arbiters next year just to comply with FIDE requirements, we are not going to jeopardise these licenses through tournaments that are incorrectly paired by an unendorsed program.
    The licence system exists primarily as a cash-cow for FIDE and secondarily to encourage arbiters to remain active. There has been no provision for the removal of licences on the basis of micro-managing performance within the scheme.

    I think what you are doing with Vega sounds good and I am hoping to see the ACF move to solutions that dispense with Swiss Perfect entirely in the near future given its obsolescence as a pairings program. But some of your concerns are wildly exaggerated if not completely unfounded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keong Ang
    Thanks for this.

    Vega's pairings are correct, as long as you think FIDE's swiss pairing rules are correct. They are certainly more correct than SP's.

    Vega is only required for FIDE rated tournaments and above. Even then, there is the option of using some other FIDE endorsed software.
    Note that this requirement only applies to computerised swiss pairings.
    Round Robins, manual swiss pairings (with pairing cards) do not need to use Vega.

    I'm sure the ACF would make decisions that are suited to Australia. The NZCF has more than enough to do here in NZ.
    Using out of date, unapproved programs is NOT suited to Australia .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhughes
    Who cares if its NZCF's decision?
    Because his statement could have been interpreted by the clueless as a FIDE requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keong Ang
    It is a different situation when a FIDE rated tournament produces player norms. Norm opportunities are few and hard to come by in NZ. The NZCF is not going to risk hard won norms becoming invalid because the pairings that produced it were incorrect.
    There is no FIDE requirement in the FIDE handbook that FIDE title tournaments (norm events) use FIDE approved programs.
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    Is there a reason why the NZCF preferred Vega to Swiss Master and Swiss Manager?

    Likewise does the NZCF really propose to use the Dubov system rather than the Dutch System for pairings and, if so, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    Is there a reason why the NZCF preferred Vega to Swiss Master and Swiss Manager?

    Likewise does the NZCF really propose to use the Dubov system rather than the Dutch System for pairings and, if so, why?

    DJ
    Vega is easy to use and cheaper than either of them - SM is an absolute nightmare in usability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    Because his statement could have been interpreted by the clueless as a FIDE requirement.
    Only an absolutely clueless dummy would take one statement out of the whole announcement and interpret it totally out of context.
    Wonder why you need to be concerned about the clueless. They do not run chess tournaments and so the announcement does not apply to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    Is there a reason why the NZCF preferred Vega to Swiss Master and Swiss Manager?

    Likewise does the NZCF really propose to use the Dubov system rather than the Dutch System for pairings and, if so, why?

    DJ
    Why did the NZCF prefer Vega?
    Vega is easy to use and very efficient.
    A novice would find it even easier than Swiss Perfect.

    It is really scalable too. Ideally suited to running kid chess tournaments at rural schools right up to tournaments of the highest level.

    Actually Vega has already been FIDE endorsed for Dutch swiss pairings during the Istanbul FIDE Congress. We're just waiting for the FIDE Handbook to be updated.
    This makes Vega the only program to be FIDE endorsed for multiple swiss systems.
    Vega produces correct (according to FIDE) pairings under both Dubov and Dutch systems (using JaVaFo).
    This is a very big improvement over Swiss Perfect's wrong Dutch pairings.
    The icing on the cake is Vega handling half point bye's (eg. for players taking time off sightseeing) nicely.

    The NZCF allows use of any official FIDE swiss systems.
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