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    Australian champions by state

    Had a phone call from a journalist this week who wanted to know why no Tasmanian had ever won the Australian championships.

    I do not know if it would be possible to get a complete breakdown of Australian champions by state at the time of their winning the title but it would be interesting to know how other non-NSW/Vic states have fared in producing Australian champions.

    So, of the following list, how many are known to have been from SA, WA, ACT, Qld or NT? And how many if any have been technically expatriates (ie living outside Australia, not connected to any state association, but eligible anyway)?

    Obviously Solomon = Qld. The Koshnitskys of course have been linked to SA for a long time but I don't know if Gary was in SA when he won his titles. How many others?

    List of champions and venues per the ACF website below.

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    1885 	        F.K. Esling 	Melbourne
    1887 	        H. Charlick 	Adelaide
    1888 	        W. Crane 	Melbourne
    1893 	        A.E.N. Wallace 	Sydney
    1895 	        A.E.N. Wallace 	Melbourne
    1896 	        A.E.N. Wallace 	Sydney
    1897 	        W. Crane 	Warrnambool
    1897 	        J.L. Jacobsen (match v W. Crane) 	Sydney
    1906 	        W.S. Viner 	Perth
    1912-1913 	W.S. Viner 	Bellingen (NSW)
    1922 	        C.G.M. Watson 	Melbourne
    1924 	        W.S. Viner 	Brisbane
    1926 	        S. Crackanthorp 	Sydney
    1928-1929 	S. Crackanthorp 	Perth
    1930-1931 	C.G.M. Watson 	Melbourne
    1932-1933 	G. Koshnitsky 	Sydney
    1934-1935 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Melbourne
    1936-1937 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Perth
    1938-1939 	G. Koshnitsky 	Sydney
    1945 	        L. Steiner 	Sydney
    1946-1947 	L. Steiner 	Adelaide
    1948-1949 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Melbourne
    1950-1951 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Brisbane
    1952-1953 	L.Steiner 	Hobart
    1954-1955 	J. Purdy 	Perth
    1956-1957 	K. Ozols & S. Lazare 	Melbourne
    1958-1959 	L. Steiner 	Sydney
    1960-1961 	L. Endzelins 	Adelaide
    1962-1963 	J. Purdy 	Perth
    1964-1965 	D.G. Hamilton 	Hobart
    1966-1967 	D.G. Hamilton 	Brisbane
    1968-1969 	W.S. Browne 	Melbourne
    1969-1970 	A. Flatow 	Sydney
    1971-1972 	M. Fuller & T. Hay 	Melbourne
    1973-1974 	R.M. Jamieson 	Cooma (NSW)
    1975-1976 	S. Rubanraut 	Sydney
    1977-1978 	R.M. Jamieson 	Perth
    1979-1980 	I. Rogers 	Adelaide
    1981-1982 	D.G. Hamilton 	Melbourne
    1983-1984 	D.K. Johansen 	Sydney
    1985-1986 	I. Rogers 	Toowoomba (QLD)
    1987-1988 	D.K. Johansen 	Gosford (NSW)
    1989-1990 	D.K. Johansen 	Sydney
    1991-1992 	A. Wohl 	Melbourne
    1993-1994 	J-P. Wallace 	Melbourne
    1995-1996 	G. West 	Sydney
    1997-1998 	I. Rogers 	Melbourne
    1999-2000 	D.K. Johansen 	Tumbi Umbi (NSW)
    2001-2002 	D.K. Johansen 	Melbourne
    2003-2004 	Gary Lane 	Adelaide
    2005-2006 	Ian Rogers 	Brisbane	
    2007-2008 	Stephen Solomon 	Parramatta (NSW)
    2009-2010 	Zong-Yuan Zhao 	Cammeray (NSW)
    2011-2012 	D.K. Johansen 	Geelong (VIC)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Had a phone call from a journalist this week who wanted to know why no Tasmanian had ever won the Australian championships.
    Surely Rogers is Tasmanian by birth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    Surely Rogers is Tasmanian by birth.
    Yes, I informed the journalist of this.

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    My understanding from a little poking around (take with a grain of salt)...

    Fredrick Esling was from Vic

    Henry Charlick was from SA

    William Crane (jnr) was from NSW

    Alfred Wallace was from NSW

    Julius Jacobsen probably NSW but I don't know for sure.

    William Viner originally from NSW but lived in WA for an extended period Won the WA State Champion in 1905 and Australian Championship in 1906 but may have relocated to NSW in the meantime but given it was held in Perth probably still in WA at the time.

    Charles Watson was from Vic

    Spencer Crackanthorp was from NSW

    Gary Koshnitsky was from Queensland and then NSW. He moved to SA in 1961 and so did not win a championship "for" SA. I suspect both of his Australian titles were won while in NSW.

    Cecil Purdy was from NSW

    I didn't worry about the post WWII champions as those are mostly well known.
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    never on home ground!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Had a phone call from a journalist ...

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    1934-1935 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Melbourne
    1936-1937 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Perth
    1948-1949 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Melbourne
    1950-1951 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Brisbane
    1954-1955 	J. Purdy 	Perth
    1962-1963 	J. Purdy 	Perth
    Interesting neither of the Purdys ever won the Australian Championship in their home ground (Sydney or other NSW cities)

    Was J. Purdy a WA resident when he won it there twice though?

    On the other hand, GMs D. Johansen and I. Rogers seem to be quite indiscriminant when it comes to winning their titles in various states!

    In the camp of champions who have never (yet ) won it in their own state we can include R. Jamieson, (twice) D. Hamilton, G. West, A. Wohl, J-P. Wallace and Stephen Solomon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaK

    In the camp of champions who have never (yet ) won it in their own state we can include R. Jamieson, (twice) D. Hamilton, G. West, A. Wohl, J-P. Wallace and Stephen Solomon!
    DG Hamilton, 1982 Melbourne, but the question of champions winning in their own state seems totally irrelevant to me. Perhaps it interests some people.

    Why have their been no champions from Tasmania? Isn't it obvious? They don't have any good chess players. Otto Weber was perhaps the closest but even that was many years ago.

    I know a street in Mt.Waverley which once had two Australian Championship players living in it. Why, I wonder has the next street along never had any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaK

    Was J. Purdy a WA resident when he won it there twice though?
    No - NSW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammo
    DG Hamilton, 1982 Melbourne
    Thanks for the correction!

    Quote Originally Posted by Denis Jessop
    No - NSW.
    Thanks for answering!
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    It's been suggested to me that Wohl was based in SA the year before he won so it might be useful to resolve which state claimed him at that time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jammo
    Why have their been no champions from Tasmania? Isn't it obvious? They don't have any good chess players. Otto Weber was perhaps the closest but even that was many years ago.
    Otto Weber was certainly the closest by far and his successes come as a bit of a surprise to those who stereotype the state as always uncompetitive on the national stage. His best effort was in 1962-3 when he was in serious contention on 6/7 but then lost four in a row. Still he finished =3rd which was effectively =2nd as the player in second was ineligible. He was also =3rd in 1956-7. He had a few other decent results in the Champs as well.

    Weber was of course an "import" having moved to the state from overseas as an adult, but this is also true of a number of other leading players in the decades following WW2. And the Tas scene at the time can't have been too weak or Weber would have won every single title in his time here; as it was he won the state title "only" 13 out of 16 times.

    I don't believe any other Tas-based player has ever got anywhere near 50% in the Aus Champs.

    Given that there have been only 30 Australian champions, on population alone it is no great surprise that no Tasmanian has won but I also pointed out to the journalist that players gain from regularly competing against and being coached by very strong players and if you only have players of a certain strength in a state to begin with you don't just get grandmasters out of nowhere.

    I suspect that states other than Vic and NSW are, as a group, under-represented on the honour roll for the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Had a phone call from a journalist this week who wanted to know why no Tasmanian had ever won the Australian championships.

    I do not know if it would be possible to get a complete breakdown of Australian champions by state at the time of their winning the title but it would be interesting to know how other non-NSW/Vic states have fared in producing Australian champions.

    So, of the following list, how many are known to have been from SA, WA, ACT, Qld or NT? And how many if any have been technically expatriates (ie living outside Australia, not connected to any state association, but eligible anyway)?

    Obviously Solomon = Qld. The Koshnitskys of course have been linked to SA for a long time but I don't know if Gary was in SA when he won his titles. How many others?

    List of champions and venues per the ACF website below.

    Code:
    1885 	        F.K. Esling 	Melbourne    Vic
    1887 	        H. Charlick 	Adelaide               SA
    1888 	        W. Crane 	Melbourne                    NSW
    1893 	        A.E.N. Wallace 	Sydney                NSW
    1895 	        A.E.N. Wallace 	Melbourne            NSW
    1896 	        A.E.N. Wallace 	Sydney                NSW
    1897 	        W. Crane 	Warrnambool                NSW
    1897 	        J.L. Jacobsen (match v W. Crane) 	Sydney  ?NSW
    1906 	        W.S. Viner 	Perth                    WA
    1912-1913 	W.S. Viner 	Bellingen (NSW)       NSW?
    1922 	        C.G.M. Watson 	Melbourne            Vic
    1924 	        W.S. Viner 	Brisbane               NSW
    1926 	        S. Crackanthorp 	Sydney         NSW
    1928-1929 	S. Crackanthorp 	Perth            NSW
    1930-1931 	C.G.M. Watson 	Melbourne             Vic
    1932-1933 	G. Koshnitsky 	Sydney                NSW
    1934-1935 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Melbourne            NSW
    1936-1937 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Perth                    NSW
    1938-1939 	G. Koshnitsky 	Sydney                NSW
    1945 	        L. Steiner 	Sydney                         NSW
    1946-1947 	L. Steiner 	Adelaide                        NSW
    1948-1949 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Melbourne             NSW
    1950-1951 	C.J.S. Purdy 	Brisbane                NSW
    1952-1953 	L.Steiner 	Hobart                          NSW
    1954-1955 	J. Purdy 	Perth                            NSW
    1956-1957 	K. Ozols & S. Lazare 	Melbourne     Vic & Vic
    1958-1959 	L. Steiner 	Sydney                          NSW
    1960-1961 	L. Endzelins 	Adelaide                SA
    1962-1963 	J. Purdy 	Perth                            NSW
    1964-1965 	D.G. Hamilton 	Hobart                  Vic
    1966-1967 	D.G. Hamilton 	Brisbane               Vic
    1968-1969 	W.S. Browne 	Melbourne             Ex-pat. USA
    1969-1970 	A. Flatow 	Sydney                           NSW
    1971-1972 	M. Fuller & T. Hay 	Melbourne     NSW & NSW
    1973-1974 	R.M. Jamieson 	Cooma (NSW)        Vic
    1975-1976 	S. Rubanraut 	Sydney                 NSW
    1977-1978 	R.M. Jamieson 	Perth                    Vic
    1979-1980 	I. Rogers 	Adelaide                        Vic
    1981-1982 	D.G. Hamilton 	Melbourne
    1983-1984 	D.K. Johansen 	Sydney
    1985-1986 	I. Rogers 	Toowoomba (QLD)
    1987-1988 	D.K. Johansen 	Gosford (NSW)
    1989-1990 	D.K. Johansen 	Sydney
    1991-1992 	A. Wohl 	Melbourne
    1993-1994 	J-P. Wallace 	Melbourne
    1995-1996 	G. West 	Sydney
    1997-1998 	I. Rogers 	Melbourne
    1999-2000 	D.K. Johansen 	Tumbi Umbi (NSW)
    2001-2002 	D.K. Johansen 	Melbourne
    2003-2004 	Gary Lane 	Adelaide
    2005-2006 	Ian Rogers 	Brisbane	
    2007-2008 	Stephen Solomon 	Parramatta (NSW)
    2009-2010 	Zong-Yuan Zhao 	Cammeray (NSW)
    2011-2012 	D.K. Johansen 	Geelong (VIC)
    I've put in States for those to 1980 based on the list in Ian Rogers' book "Australian Chess into the Eighties". I can't remember when Ian moved from Vic to NSW - perhaps he can say Ian doesn't mention Jacobsen while Cathy Chua ("Australian Chess at the Top") mentions him but doesn't seem to say where he came from.

    Post 1980 are mostly well known. There are none from the ACT or NT and only Solo from Qld. Kosh lived in Qld when he first came to Australia but not for long when he moved to Sydney. Much later he went to SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    Ian doesn't mention Jacobsen while Cathy Chua ("Australian Chess at the Top") mentions him but doesn't seem to say where he came from.
    All the games listed here seem to be NSW based including NSW ch of 1901. It's isn't much to go on but seems to point to probably NSW.

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=126907
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    Thanks very much Barry and Denis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    All the games listed here seem to be NSW based including NSW ch of 1901. It's isn't much to go on but seems to point to probably NSW.

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=126907
    I think so. He also won the title in a match against Crane who was from NSW.

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    Players resident in the State of NSW at the time of the Australian Championships (1885 - 2012) have not surprisingly won more Australian Championships than players from all other states combined. Special mention of course to the Victorian player GM Darryl Johansen the record six time winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    All the games listed here seem to be NSW based including NSW ch of 1901. It's isn't much to go on but seems to point to probably NSW.

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=126907

    Jacobsen was born in England, moved to Brisbane for a few years and then moved to Sydney.

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...&searchLimits=

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