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    So Georgia is going to repeal its anti-Good Samaritan law - nothing in the Delaware law stops people providing water (that law obviously covers bribery, which was already illegal in Georgia before its new law was introduced)? And eliminate its poll tax ie, its photo id requirements - Delaware allows non-photo id? That's great! After all, it's obviously pointless just adopting some of the Delaware laws, since it's the cumulative effect that's important. Unless this is just another example of whataboutery, of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Capablanca-Fan has given up defending the actual law - his only argument now is whataboutery
    I.e. your only defense is to ignore the glaring double standards.

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    Unfortunately he (and the right-wingers he quotes) doesn't seem to realise that voting is a right guaranteed by the US Constitution, unlike flying or opening a Pay Pal account.
    Irrelevant. If Voter-ID laws are racist (arguendo), then Delta and Paypal are immorally and illegally using racist laws to discriminate against flyers and account holders. Flying and banking are not in the Constitution, but refusing service on grounds of race has been illegal since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    I.e. your only defense is to ignore the glaring double standards.
    There are no double standards, as I've pointed out repeatedly. But even if there were, that still doesn't justify the law.

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    Irrelevant. If Voter-ID laws are racist (arguendo), then Delta and Paypal are immorally and illegally using racist laws to discriminate against flyers and account holders. Flying and banking are not in the Constitution, but refusing service on grounds of race has been illegal since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
    Paypal doesn't require photo id. And neither does Delta - it's the TSA that usually requires photo id.

    Although I'm not sure who you are arguing with. Photo id laws, as you've conceded, have the effect of depriving people of the right to vote - which is a fundamental human right guaranteed in the US Constitution. This is the overwhelming reason why people (including myself) oppose them. The fact that the people affected are mainly black is just another good reason to oppose the laws.

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    We'll see how the voter suppression laws fare in court challenges

    Sixth District of the African Methodist Episcopal Church v. Kemp

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    NFL legend Herschel Walker (himself black) challenges companies, CEOs to help people get voter IDs:

    Let's empower Georgians without ID to get one. You need ID to drive, cash a check, open a bank account, fly on an airplane [including Delta]—almost anything to function in life today! Makes better sense to improve lives! Walker challenges companies, CEOs to help people get voter IDs.

    I support providing as many citizens as possible with free voter IDs, including any costs that might be incurred in obtaining them. So let the woke corporations put their money where their mouths are, because the benefits will not be just with voting, but with all the other things picture ID is required for.
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    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
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    Big majority of voters, including blacks, support photo ID voting laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    There are no double standards, as I've pointed out repeatedly. But even if there were, that still doesn't justify the law.
    There ARE double standards. E.g. doing business with the genocidal Communist Chinese government and using products of their slave labour while attacking GA. And moving the MLB game to a state that is whiter and has stricter laws. It shows that it's not about protecting voter rights but making it easier for Democrats to cheat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    You linked to the Aussie version, after I showed you explicit statements from a Paypal rep saying that one was required. But in reality, even your link shows that there are stringent identity requirements:

    Proof of name and date of birth
    We’ll need one of:

    • A current Australian or foreign driver’s licence or permit (both sides)*
    • An Australian passport
    • A current foreign/United Nations-issued passport
    • A current Australian proof of age card
    • A current national identity card
    • An Australian birth certificate
    • An Australian citizenship certificate
    • A citizenship certificate issued by a foreign government (if not in English, accompanied by an English translation prepared by an accredited translator)
    • The document must show your full name and date of birth, and these must match the information you provided when opening your PayPal account.

    I would be OK if such requirements were adopted for voting. The issue is that voters should be required to prove that they are eligible to vote!

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    And neither does Delta
    A Delta rep at the checkin counter will ask for ID. You might also be required to present one before boarding. I have travelled via Delta numerous times. Have you?

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    And if not, you will still be required to prove who you are!

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    Although I'm not sure who you are arguing with. Photo id laws, as you've conceded, have the effect of depriving people of the right to vote — which is a fundamental human right guaranteed in the US Constitution.
    They do no such thing. A 2019 study concluded:

    The results provide no evidence that strict identification laws affect overall turnout or black turnout. However, the results do indicate a small reduction in Hispanic turnout, but this effect is statistically significant only if state fixed effects are not included in the estimation.

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    This is the overwhelming reason why people (including myself) oppose them. The fact that the people affected are mainly black is just another good reason to oppose the laws.
    Sixty-nine percent of black voters and 75% overall support voter ID laws. Many blacks object to patronizing woke white leftists implying that they are less capable of getting IDs.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    NFL legend Herschel Walker (himself black) challenges companies, CEOs to help people get voter IDs:
    Let's empower Georgians without ID to get one. You need ID to drive, cash a check, open a bank account, fly on an airplane [including Delta]—almost anything to function in life today! Makes better sense to improve lives! Walker challenges companies, CEOs to help people get voter IDs.
    I support providing as many citizens as possible with free voter IDs, including any costs that might be incurred in obtaining them. So let the woke corporations put their money where their mouths are, because the benefits will not be just with voting, but with all the other things picture ID is required for.
    It's the state of Georgia that imposed the poll tax by requiring photo ids, so it is responsible for making sure that everyone can easily get one for free. Obviously the people who currently don't have photo id haven't needed it for any other purpose than voting, or they would already have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    There ARE double standards. E.g. doing business with the genocidal Communist Chinese government and using products of their slave labour while attacking GA. And moving the MLB game to a state that is whiter and has stricter laws. It shows that it's not about protecting voter rights but making it easier for Democrats to cheat.
    As I've already explained, the MLB was not moved to a state with stricter laws. And Trump did business with the Chinese government, so anyone who supported him, including you, is also hypocritical - your claim of double standards is itself a double standard

    Of course, if the Trump cult had actual evidence of voter fraud, they would have produced it in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    You linked to the Aussie version, after I showed you explicit statements from a Paypal rep saying that one was required. But in reality, even your link shows that there are stringent identity requirements: ...
    According to the US version, id is not required to open an account.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    I would be OK if such requirements were adopted for voting. The issue is that voters should be required to prove that they are eligible to vote!
    So you were okay with the previous law in Georgia, which used signature verification?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    A Delta rep at the checkin counter will ask for ID. You might also be required to present one before boarding. I have travelled via Delta numerous times. Have you?
    The fact that someone asks you for id doesn't prove that it is necessary to fly

    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    They do no such thing. A 2019 study concluded:
    The results provide no evidence that strict identification laws affect overall turnout or black turnout. However, the results do indicate a small reduction in Hispanic turnout, but this effect is statistically significant only if state fixed effects are not included in the estimation.
    An academic paper that includes among its references tweets by Trump

    But seriously, you're not actually denying that some people don't have photo id, are you? That means that they will be unable to vote - QED! Your 2019 study is irrelevant to my claim.

    Consdiering 68% of Republicans believe the election was 'rigged', despite Trump repeatedly failing to prove this in court, I'm not sure what this poll proves.

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