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    tragic. been there done that. I feel for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Watson View Post
    This was the position form one of my first long time control chess games, at the time my rating was in the 900s and my opponents was in the 1600s. I had played badly ealier and ended up being down a piece but after my opponent avoided some simple traps he ended up sacing the piece back to liquidate into an apparently winning pawn ending.

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    I had been about to play the drawing move 43...e5! but then decided I was just going to be wasting my opponents time instead, I mean he was confidant and he had already sacked a piece to get into this clearly winning position right? so I chose to just resign and go home instead. Then when I rode my bike home was getting into bed the image of the board appeared into my mind and I suddenly realised the truth, instantly I got the board and pieces out and conformed the reality, I had just resigned a clearly drawn position!
    ...e5, fxe5 Kxe5, a4 Kd5,a5 Kc5,a6 Kb6, Kf3 Ka7,Kf4 Kb6,Ke5 Ka7,Kd6 Kb6, a7 Kb7,b6 f4,a8 Kxa8,Kc7 f3, White mates in 3.

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    Hi Bill, nice analysis. I thought of 6.Kd4 (instead of 6.Kf3) 6..Ka7 7.Kc5 (still in the square of the f-pawn) 7..Kb8 8.b6 Ka8 9.Kc6 f4 [9..Kb8 10.a7] 10.Kc7 f3 etc
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    We had two in one night at HICC tonight. Firstly this one which I've posted on the HICC thread:

    http://www.chesschat.org/showthread....l=1#post399266

    We also saw this in the second divison:

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    1.Qf3 Qxf3+ [1...Qxc4 is a draw at worst but black thinks he sees a win because he can get the pawn back and have a passed pawn. However, white's pawns are just faster] 2.Kxf3 Kd3 3.h5 Kxc4 4.g4 Kd3 5.g5 c5 6.h6 and white just queened first and won.

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    Another victim - Australasian Masters, S. Kasparov - Ikeda

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    Black plays 50...Bf6?? when the immediate exchange for bishops in response (51.Bxf6) would be drawn but after 51.hxg6! hxg6 52.Bxf6 Kxf6 53.Kh4 it's a win for white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Black plays 50...Bf6?? when the immediate exchange for bishops would be drawn but after 51.hxg6! hxg6 52.Bxf6 Kxf6 53.Kh4 it's a win for white.
    The immediate exchange of bishops loses just as badly. Keeping the bishops on the board with 50...Bc7 is the only way to draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian CCC View Post
    The immediate exchange of bishops loses just as badly.
    Sorry, unclear writing on my part. I meant that the immediate exchange of bishops by white in response to 50...Bf6?? would be a draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    tragic. been there done that. I feel for you!
    I also have more than once fallen for an obvious mate in one or two moves.
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    While Kh4 is tricky and was missed by black, even if thought exchanging bishops was drawing, Bc7 is safer so should have been played in any case.
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    There are few examples, Sveshnikov-Kasparov being the most famous, where exchange of "bad bishop" led to lost pawn endgame.
    I had few lessons with one of my students where we went through the issue of changing pieces in the endgame. One of the most difficult and error-prone area!
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    Move 49 is the mistake by Black, we both missed the winning sequence for white although it is very difficult to spot in a 5+0 blitz game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Peirce View Post
    Move 49 is the mistake by Black, we both missed the winning sequence for white although it is very difficult to spot in a 5+0 blitz game!

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    The right move in the opening is 6.b4. In the endgame, why not try 51. f5, e.g. 51... exf5 52.g6 fxg6 53. h6. White should be able to make passed pawns on the h and e files, and the king can't deal with both because they have a common square.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The right move in the opening is 6.b4. In the endgame, why not try 51. f5, e.g. 51... exf5 52.g6 fxg6 53. h6. White should be able to make passed pawns on the h and e files, and the king can't deal with both because they have a common square.
    Yes either 51.h6 or 51.f5 win with the same ideas as 50.h6. Instead 50...Kf8 would have held with best play. Quite an interesting example.

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    With king on f8 only f5 wins, h6 leads to a draw.
    For example:
    49. h6 Kg8 50.f5 Kh7! 51.g6+ Kxh6! (51...fxg6? 52 .fxe6! +-) 52.gxf7 Kg7=
    49.f5! exf5 50.g6 f4 51.h6 fxg6 (51...f3 52.h7! Kg7 53.gxf7 +-) 52.h7! Kg7 53.e6 f3 54.e7 f2 55.e8Q (or 55.h8Q+ Kxh8 56.e8Q+) f1Q 56.h8Q#
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg View Post
    With king on f8 only f5 wins, h6 leads to a draw.
    For example:
    49. h6 Kg8 50.f5 Kh7! 51.g6+ Kxh6! (51...fxg6? 52 .fxe6! +-) 52.gxf7 Kg7=
    49.f5! exf5 50.g6 f4 51.h6 fxg6 (51...f3 52.h7! Kg7 53.gxf7 +-) 52.h7! Kg7 53.e6 f3 54.e7 f2 55.e8Q (or 55.h8Q+ Kxh8 56.e8Q+) f1Q 56.h8Q#
    That is wrong. 49.f5 is not better than 49.h6. Indeed 49.f5 exf5? 50.g6 wins (or 50.h6) but instead 49.f5 Kg7 is a draw, for instance 50.h6+ Kh7 51.g6+ Kxh6 52.gxf7 Kg7 transposes to the variation you gave above.

    EDIT: Only 50... Ke8?? was a decisive mistake (getting too far from the h-pawn) when 51.f5 wins as well as 51.h6
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