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    The First Amendment is the best way to guarantee proper discourse

    On Political Correctness
    Power, class, and the new campus religion
    By William Deresiewicz [himself an atheist and democratic socialist]
    The American Scholar, 6 March 2017

    Political correctness and rational discourse are incompatible ideals. Forget “civility,” the quality that college deans and presidents inevitably put forth as that which needs to “balance” free expression. The call for civility is nothing more than a management tool for nervous bureaucrats, a way of splitting every difference and puréeing them into a pablum of deanly mush. Free expression is an absolute; to balance it is to destroy it.

    Fortunately, we already have a tried-and-tested rule for free expression, one specifically designed to foster rational discourse. It’s called the First Amendment, and First Amendment jurisprudence doesn’t recognize “offensive” speech or even hate speech as categories subject to legitimate restriction. For one thing, hate is not illegal, and neither is giving offense. For another, what’s hate to me may not be hate to you; what’s offensive to you may be my deeply held belief. The concepts are relative and subjective. When I gave a version of this essay as a talk at Bard, the first comment from the panel of student respondents came from a young Palestinian woman who argued that “conservative narratives” like Zionism should be censored, because “they require the otherization, if not the dehumanization, of another group of people.” It didn’t seem to have occurred to her that many Zionists would say the same about what they regard as the Palestinian position. Once you start to ban offensive speech, there is no logical place to stop—or rather, where you stop will be determined by the relative positions of competing groups within the community.

    In other words, again, by power. To take the most conspicuous issue around which questions of free expression are being disputed on campus, the disinvitation of outside speakers always reflects the power of one group over another. When a speaker is invited to campus, it means that some set of people within the institution—some department, center, committee, or student organization—wants to hear what they have to say. When they are disinvited, shouted down, or otherwise prevented from speaking, it means another set has proved to be more powerful.

    When the latter are accused of opposing free speech, they invariably respond, “How can we be opposed to free speech? We are exercising it right now!” But everyone is in favor of their own free speech (including, for instance, Vladimir Putin). The test of your commitment to free speech as a general principle is whether you are willing to tolerate the speech of others, especially those with whom you most disagree. If you are using your speech to try to silence speech, you are not in favor of free speech. You are only in favor of yourself.

    I see no reason that the First Amendment shouldn’t be the guiding principle at private colleges and universities (at least the ones that profess to be secular), just as it is, perforce, at public institutions. [Or in Australian discourse either—CF]
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    On Political Correctness
    Power, class, and the new campus religion By William Deresiewicz [himself an atheist and democratic socialist] The American Scholar, 6 March 2017

    Political correctness and rational discourse are incompatible ideals. Forget “civility,” the quality that college deans and presidents inevitably put forth as that which needs to “balance” free expression. The call for civility is nothing more than a management tool for nervous bureaucrats, a way of splitting every difference and puréeing them into a pablum of deanly mush. Free expression is an absolute; to balance it is to destroy it.
    ...
    How does the unrestricted free expression in the US affect real people:
    For the latest report, researchers interviewed five Jewish people, including two recent political candidates, who had faced "human-based attacks" against them on social media this year. Their experiences demonstrated that anti-Semitic harassment "has a chilling effect on Jewish Americans' involvement in the public sphere," their report says. "While each interview subject spoke of not wanting to let threats of the trolls affect their online activity, political campaigns, academic research or news reporting, they all admitted the threats of violence and deluges of anti-Semitism had become part of their internal equations," researchers wrote.

    I'm glad that I live in a more civilised society, where Jewish people are protected from harassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Really, the right revile Soros for his Jewishness as opposed to his Lear-Jet über-leftism? The same left claim that opposition to Obamovcare is racist and opposition to Hillarycare was sexist, whereas of course it was opposition to socialist medicine.
    Many of the right-wing attacks on Soros use anti-Semitic themes, including those from the Republicans:
    In fact, the ad is funded by an arm of the NRCC. On the same show, Jonathan Greenblatt, director of the Anti-Defamation League, said, “The attacks on George Soros are appalling, and the continued invocation of classic anti-Semitic themes…is just repulsive.” Greenblatt attributed the 57 percent surge in anti-Semitic incidents last year—“the single largest spike we have ever seen”—to the ways in which anti-Semitic language had been embraced by some elements of the Republican Party. “We are seeing an environment where anti-Semitism has moved from the margins into the mainstream, where political candidates and people in public life now literally repeat the rhetoric of white supremacists,” he said. “It’s normal and permissible to talk about Jewish conspiracies manipulating events, or Jewish financiers somehow controlling activities, and that is awful.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Really, the right revile Soros for his Jewishness as opposed to his Lear-Jet über-leftism?
    The Anti-Semitism Lurking Behind George Soros Conspiracy Theories
    Anti-Defamation League
    11.10.18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    The ADL has long departed from its original mission to become an über-leftist front group. In reality, Soros is despite because of the way he made his billions by crippling economies, and because he uses his billions to support far-left causes. His Jewishness is a non-issue.


    Anti-semites hate Trump for having a Jewish son-in-law and grandchildren, and for actually keeping a promise other presidents also made and broke, to move the embassy to Jerusalem, and for his ambassador Nikki Haley calling out the UN for its anti-semitic bigotry.
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The ADL has long departed from its original mission to become an über-leftist front group. In reality, Soros is despite because of the way he made his billions by crippling economies, and because he uses his billions to support far-left causes. His Jewishness is a non-issue.
    He supports liberal causes, which of course are all far-left in your eyes. As is the NY Times, publisher of this recent article:

    How Vilification of George Soros Moved From the Fringes to the Mainstream
    New York Times
    31.10.18

    ....On both sides of the Atlantic, a loose network of activists and political figures on the right have spent years seeking to cast Mr. Soros not just as a well-heeled political opponent but also as the personification of all they detest. Employing barely coded anti-Semitism, they have built a warped portrayal of him as the mastermind of a “globalist” movement, a left-wing radical who would undermine the established order and a proponent of diluting the white, Christian nature of their societies through immigration....


    Anti-semites hate Trump ....
    The anti-semitic alt-right are Trump supporters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The ADL has long departed from its original mission to become an über-leftist front group. In reality, Soros is despite because of the way he made his billions by crippling economies, and because he uses his billions to support far-left causes. His Jewishness is a non-issue.


    Anti-semites hate Trump for having a Jewish son-in-law and grandchildren, and for actually keeping a promise other presidents also made and broke, to move the embassy to Jerusalem, and for his ambassador Nikki Haley calling out the UN for its anti-semitic bigotry.
    but because Trump sucks up to them he keeps their vote - nobody else will suck up to them.

    Don't you think that other presidents made that promise in an attempt to get the Jewish vote but had no intentions of keeping or if so only if agreement with the Palestinians?

    Now that you mention it maybe that is why Haley resigned as she upset the anti-Semitics at home - maybe Trump engineered it. They also reckon he would throw his son in law under a bus to save himself.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is ... a girl and her fists!

    Brazilian thief learns the hard way not to mess with UFC fighter

    UFC star Polyana Viana used her fighting skills to see off a would-be mugger in Rio de Janeiro. Viana left her attacker a bloodied mess after he tried to steal her mobile phone, claiming he had a gun. ...

    "He was really close to me. So I thought, 'If it's a gun, he won't have time to draw it.' So I stood up. I threw two punches and a kick. He fell, then I caught him in a rear-naked choke. Then I sat him down in the same place we were before and said, 'Now we'll wait for the police'."

    Viana kept him in a hold until police arrived. The man's wounds were treated before he was taken to a police station where a report was filed.

    Viana, nicknamed "The Iron Lady", stands just 1.65m, weighs 52kg and fights in the UFC's lightest strawweight division. She has won 10 of her 12 fights and is known for her aggressive style. ...
    meep meep

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is ... a girl and her fists!

    Brazilian thief learns the hard way not to mess with UFC fighter

    UFC star Polyana Viana used her fighting skills to see off a would-be mugger in Rio de Janeiro. Viana left her attacker a bloodied mess after he tried to steal her mobile phone, claiming he had a gun. ...

    "He was really close to me. So I thought, 'If it's a gun, he won't have time to draw it.' So I stood up. I threw two punches and a kick. He fell, then I caught him in a rear-naked choke. Then I sat him down in the same place we were before and said, 'Now we'll wait for the police'."

    Viana kept him in a hold until police arrived. The man's wounds were treated before he was taken to a police station where a report was filed.

    Viana, nicknamed "The Iron Lady", stands just 1.65m, weighs 52kg and fights in the UFC's lightest strawweight division. She has won 10 of her 12 fights and is known for her aggressive style. ...
    That was a good result!

    Not all women could subdue a male attacker though. So a gun is a great equalizer.
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Anti-Black and anti-Hispanic prejudice dropped to low under Trump

    If Trump's ‘Bigotry’ Is an Impeachable Offense, Why Did Obama Get a Pass?
    Larry Elder, 5 Sep 2019

    In July, [Rep. Al Green, D-N.Y.] announced plans to introduce articles of impeachment: "The Mueller hearing has nothing to do with what we're doing now. The Mueller hearing is all about obstruction. This is about bigotry and racism." Never mind the recent research paper by University of Pennsylvania political science professor Daniel Hopkins and research assistant Samantha Washington. Hopkins recently wrote: "On average, anti-black prejudice dropped sharply among whites, from a score of 8.1 just before the 2016 election to 5.4 two years later. ... That marked the lowest level of anti-black prejudice since we first conducted this study in late 2008. Prejudice against Hispanics also dropped. ... In both instances, declines were larger among Democrats, but they appeared among Republicans, too."

    The FBI, in a news release on its 2017 hate crimes report, cautioned that the year-to-year increase in hate crimes might be an aberration: "Although the numbers increased last year, so did the number of law enforcement agencies reporting hate crime data—with approximately 1,000 additional agencies contributing information."

    If, by Green's logic, Trump could be impeached for inciting bigotry, would this standard apply to President Barack Obama? Could he have been impeached for making false accusations about racism and exaggerating its impact? For example, by meeting with representatives of the so-called Black Lives Matter movement, Obama gave credibility to a campaign that rose to prominence based on the lie that Ferguson, Missouri, suspect Michael Brown held up his hands while imploring a cop, "Don't shoot." Both the Ferguson grand jury and the Justice Department determined that the cop who killed Brown acted lawfully. The evidence suggested Brown ran (SET ITAL)toward(END ITAL) the cop -- not away from him, as Brown's friend and witness had told investigators.

    After Ferguson, Obama's accusations and others' caused cops to pull back, to be less proactive. It's called the "Ferguson effect". Critics of the police ignore recent studies finding cops more hesitant and more reluctant to use deadly force against blacks. Heather Mac Donald, author of The War on Cops: How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe, said: "What the recent FBI report showed is that not only are black lives being taken because officers are backing off from proactive policing under this relentless lie that they are racist for trying to bring public order to high-crime communities, but blue lives are being taken as well. There was a 53% increase in gun murders of police officers last year that the FBI analyzed and concluded it was driven overwhelmingly by an ideologically fomented hatred of cops."
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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