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  • Aronian 4.5-1.5 or better

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  • Aronian 4-2

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  • Aronian 3.5-2.5

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  • Tie 3-3

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  1. 10-02-2012, 10:11 AM #1
    Kevin Bonham
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    Aronian - Kramnik match 21-28 April

    Six game match just announced.

    http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7906
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  2. 10-02-2012, 07:22 PM #2
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    good match

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Six game match just announced.

    http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7906
    That would be a great match, 2nd vs 3rd in the world FIDE ratings I am told!

    BTW till Kasparov's reign finished was ever a case when a World Championship match did not involve the best (rating wise) player in the world?
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  3. 10-02-2012, 08:06 PM #3
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    Should be interesting. Only the prize money at stake, no title, so maybe they will look for wins rather than draws!
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  4. 10-02-2012, 08:08 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaK
    BTW till Kasparov's reign finished was ever a case when a World Championship match did not involve the best (rating wise) player in the world?
    Counting World Championship matches only as undisputed or "classical" world championships, I don't think so, but the FIDE rating system only began in 1971. Using unofficial systems that go back further, like Sonas' system, would probably give examples of such matches.

    By the way since Kasparov ceased to be World Champion there have been two such cases - in 2004 Kramnik played Leko while Kasparov was still #1 and in 2010 Anand played Topalov while Carlsen was #1.
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  5. 10-02-2012, 08:43 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Counting World Championship matches only as undisputed or "classical" world championships, I don't think so, but the FIDE rating system only began in 1971. Using unofficial systems that go back further, like Sonas' system, would probably give examples of such matches.

    By the way since Kasparov ceased to be World Champion there have been two such cases - in 2004 Kramnik played Leko while Kasparov was still #1 and in 2010 Anand played Topalov while Carlsen was #1.
    Thanks, good info!
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  6. 19-04-2012, 10:59 PM #6
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    Starts in about 48 hours. I've put a poll up.
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  7. 22-04-2012, 05:54 AM #7
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    Aronian 1-0
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    [Event "?"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "????.??.??"]
    [Round "?"]
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    [Black "GMAronian"]
    [Result "0-1"]
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  8. 22-04-2012, 10:25 AM #8
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    Where did white go wrong? He seemed to be doing OK around move 25. Was 26.f4 the error, allowing black to grab teh b2-pawn and generate counterplay?
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  9. 22-04-2012, 11:14 AM #9
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    He is already much worse at the start of the ending, so the question is where he went wrong in the opening. I think Re1 was unusual, and more common is Qc2, but Kramnik must have prepared something! In the ending Kramnik was desperately trying to swap Pawns and the Bishop was much better than the Knight. A great game by Aronian winning without his opponent making any clear mistakes!
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  10. 22-04-2012, 12:50 PM #10
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    11.Re1 is a standard move but 14.Re3 looks strange unless Black has already played ...Bg4. 14.h3 makes more sense though 14...b5 might still be fine for Black.
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  11. 22-04-2012, 10:34 PM #11
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    According to Shipov, 16...Qe6 was a novelty, which was a surprise for Kramnik (this game followed a game between the current european woman champion Gunina and Muzychuk). Kramnik did not react perfectly to the novelty... So I guess it is either that novelty is so good that the improvement could be found earlier or that Kramnik's play after move 16 can be improved.
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  12. 22-04-2012, 10:40 PM #12
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    Yes 11. Re1 is a quite standard move, while 14. Re3 was a novelty played by Gunina, which Kramnik presumably liked...
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  13. 23-04-2012, 02:52 PM #13
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    Game two was a draw.
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  14. 25-04-2012, 06:18 AM #14
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    Nice win for the ol' fellow
    1-1/2 1-1/2

    In the end, Aronian's black bishop and knight had no respite due to lack of supporting pawns.
    15 ... bxc6 seems to have been his undoing. Stockfish finds an equalising line.

    [Event "?"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "????.??.??"]
    [Round "?"]
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    [Black "GMAronian"]
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  15. 25-04-2012, 10:07 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenaaus
    Nice win for the ol' fellow
    1-1/2 1-1/2
    Shouldn't it be 1½-1½ ?

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