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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jimmy
    The banging won, try concentrating when the board shakes with every movement and the clock is on the verge of breaking
    I would not even try. I think clock should be stopped and arbiter called over. The arbiter may even know the rules if you are lucky
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    I would not even try. I think clock should be stopped and arbiter called over. The arbiter may even know the rules if you are lucky
    If you had a closer look on this thread (#2) ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant from this thread
    Kerry Stead will be the arbiter for this event. Kerry is a member of the CV committee and thus represents players from all clubs.
    ... then you would have been pleased to know that the tournament was directed by one of the best (close to the very best in my opinion) arbiters Australia ever had!
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    JAK I know that in your opinion everyone is the best ....the world is beautiful and very pink...but if the clock banging did take place - the arbiter needs to interfere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    JAK I know that in your opinion everyone is the best ....the world is beautiful and very pink...but if the clock banging did take place - the arbiter needs to interfere.
    It wasn't just against me...it happened every round that I saw Leonid play in...he was just as bad against Bobby too
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    JAK I know that in your opinion everyone is the best ....the world is beautiful and very pink...but if the clock banging did take place - the arbiter needs to interfere.
    Indeed in my beautiful world I have no time for minor incidents. But how the hell do you know that the arbiter

    1) was called
    2) didn't interfere if he noticed the incident
    3) didn't make a decision

    James is clearly protesting Leonid's actions here and not Kerry's arbitering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaK
    Indeed in my beautiful world I have no time for minor incidents. But how the hell do you know that the arbiter

    1) was called
    2) didn't interfere if he noticed the incident
    3) didn't make a decision

    James is clearly protesting Leonid's actions here and not Kerry's arbitering.
    I didn't call the arbiter, and I definitely should have. But it wasn't the first time he did that today, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jimmy
    I didn't call the arbiter, and I definitely should have. But it wasn't the first time he did that today, so...
    I agree that this, being one of the strongest, if not the strongest blitz tournaments in Australia, special attantion should have been given to the top boards at least.

    Then again, known the meticulous approach of Kerry's to various aspects of arbitering, particularly if he didn't have any assistance I can suggest that he was occupied with other duties as well.

    In conclusion, I don't think concrete opinions should be formed especially by people non present (*) in the event before we hear all sides of the story and in particular, Leonid's and other players' as well as Kerry's!

    (*) Damn it I could have been there since I was invited by Leonid to attend the AGM, as well as having participated in the tournament; however, I am so busy organising my o/s travels for the next few months as well as having visitors staying here for the weekend!
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    For reference, these are the FIDE laws that apply in these situations:

    6.7 c. The players must handle the chess clock properly. It is forbidden to punch it forcibly, to pick it up or to knock it over. Improper clock handling shall be penalised in accordance with Article 13.4.

    12.6 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area.

    13.2 The arbiter shall act in the best interest of the competition. He should ensure that a good playing environment is maintained and that the players are not disturbed. He shall supervise the progress of the competition.

    13.3 The arbiter shall observe the games, especially when the players are short of time, enforce decisions he has made and impose penalties on players where appropriate.

    13.4 The arbiter can apply one or more of the following penalties:
    a. warning
    b. increasing the remaining time of the opponent
    c. reducing the remaining time of the offending player
    d. declaring the game to be lost
    e. reducing the points scored in the game by the offending party
    f. increasing the points scored in the game by the opponent to the maximum available for that game
    g. expulsion from the event.

    13.5 The arbiter may award either or both players additional time in the event of external disturbance of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jimmy
    I didn't call the arbiter, and I definitely should have. But it wasn't the first time he did that today, so...
    From what is described, I'm quite surprised that the arbiter did not intervene. It surely sounds like very disruptive and noisy piece thumping, clock punching, table rattling games were occurring. Something an arbiter would have noticed without being called, especially if occurring in top board games.

    Some relevant articles in the Laws of Chess that applies:

    Article6.7.c.
    The players must handle the chess clock properly. It is forbidden to punch it forcibly, to pick it up or to knock it over. Improper clock handling shall be penalised in accordance with Article 13.4.
    Article12.6.
    It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area.
    Article12.8.
    Persistent refusal by a player to comply with the Laws of Chess shall be penalised by loss of the game. The arbiter shall decide the score of the opponent.

    Even in Blitz, they are still fully applicable and if breached repeatedly can lead to expulsion from the event.
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    Who won the tournament?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Illingworth
    Who won the tournament?
    Sandler won it and I was lucky enough to be the only person to beat him.
    Second was Bobby, I cant remember the rest Justin Tan and Dusan Stojic were up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesguns
    Sandler won it and I was lucky enough to be the only person to beat him.
    Second was Bobby, I cant remember the rest Justin Tan and Dusan Stojic were up there.
    Dusan third I think.
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    Prize winners:
    1st - Leonid Sandler 11.5/13
    2nd - Bobby Cheng 11/13
    3rd - Dusan Stojic 9.5/13
    4th - Justin Tan 9/13
    Rating group 1
    1st - Ari Dale 8/13
    Rating group 2
    1st - Jack Hughes 6.5/13

    Full Cross Table below:
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    No Name              Feder Rtg Loc  Total  1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11   12   13  
    
    1  Sandler, Leonid   VIC       2273 11.5  17:W  8:W  6:W  3:W  4:W  2:D  7:W 18:W  5:W 10:W 11:L  9:W 13:W
    2  Cheng, Bobby      VIC       2363 11    16:W 10:W  4:L  9:W  5:W  1:D  3:D  6:W  8:W  7:W 17:W 11:W 21:W
    3  Stojic, Dusan     VIC       2277 9.5   15:W 20:W 18:W  1:L 11:W  6:W  2:D  4:L  7:L  5:W  9:W  8:W 16:W
    4  Tan, Justin       VIC       2120 9     21:W 12:W  2:W 18:W  1:L  5:L 11:W  3:W  6:L  8:W  7:L 16:W 22:W
    5  Partsi, Dimitry   VIC       2020 8     14:W 18:L 16:W  7:W  2:L  4:W  6:L 12:W  1:L  3:L 10:W 20:W 11:W
    6  Antolis, Cedric   VIC       2221 8     23:W 11:W  1:L 10:W  8:W  3:L  5:W  2:L  4:W  9:L 13:W  7:W 17:L
    7  Dale, Ari         VIC       1892 8     18:L 21:W 12:W  5:L 13:W 10:W  1:L 11:W  3:W  2:L  4:W  6:L 19:W
    8  Urban, Sylvester  VIC       2017 7     19:W  1:L 23:W 11:L  6:L 16:W  9:W 13:W  2:L  4:L 12:W  3:L 14:W
    9  Beaumont, David   VIC       1997 7     12:L 13:W 15:W  2:L 16:W 18:L  8:L 14:W 19:W  6:W  3:L  1:L 24:W
    10 Lekkas, Frank     VIC       1939 7     24:W  2:L 20:W  6:L 12:D  7:L 14:W 15:W 11:D  1:L  5:L 19:W 23:W
    11 Addamo, Michael   VIC       1906 6.5   22:W  6:L 19:W  8:W  3:L 15:W  4:L  7:L 10:D 12:W  1:W  2:L  5:L
    12 Hughes, Jack G    VIC       1284 6.5    9:W  4:L  7:L 21:W 10:D 23:W 18:L  5:L 13:W 11:L  8:L 17:W 15:W
    13 Tuncer, Deniz     VIC       1614 6     20:L  9:L 24:W 19:W  7:L 17:W 15:W  8:L 12:L 14:W  6:L 22:W  1:L
    14 Cannon, David     VIC       1390 6      5:L 16:L 17:W 15:L 20:W 19:W 10:L  9:L 22:W 13:L 21:W 24:W  8:L
    15 Sandler, Veniamin VIC       1685 6      3:L 24:W  9:L 14:W 22:W 11:L 13:L 10:L 16:L 21:W 20:W 23:W 12:L
    16 Chmiel, Rad       VIC       1736 5.5    2:L 14:W  5:L 22:W  9:L  8:L 21:L 17:D 15:W 19:W 24:W  4:L  3:L
    17 Mijatovic, Bosko  VIC       1890 5.5    1:L 19:L 14:L 24:D 21:W 13:L 22:W 16:D 23:D 20:W  2:L 12:L  6:W
    18 Morris, James     VIC       2288 5      7:W  5:W  3:L  4:L 23:W  9:W 12:W  1:L  0:   0:   0:   0:   0: 
    19 Dale, Finley      VIC       1306 4.5    8:L 17:W 11:L 13:L 24:W 14:L 23:W 20:W  9:L 16:L 22:D 10:L  7:L
    20 Power, Paul       VIC       1569 4.5   13:W  3:L 10:L 23:L 14:L 22:D 24:W 19:L 21:W 17:L 15:L  5:L  0:W
    21 Puccini, Jack     VIC       1480 4      4:L  7:L 22:L 12:L 17:L 24:W 16:W 23:W 20:L 15:L 14:L  0:W  2:L
    22 Ebeyan, Thomas    VIC       878  4     11:L 23:L 21:W 16:L 15:L 20:D 17:L 24:W 14:L  0:W 19:D 13:L  4:L
    23 Gibson, Kyle      VIC       1675 3.5    6:L 22:W  8:L 20:W 18:L 12:L 19:L 21:L 17:D 24:L  0:W 15:L 10:L
    24 Nowak, Ruben      VIC       1252 2.5   10:L 15:L 13:L 17:D 19:L 21:L 20:L 22:L  0:W 23:W 16:L 14:L  9:L

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    As for the issue of the noisy banging of the clocks, at no time did any players in the tournament inform me of any issue in this regard.
    I realise that in blitz games, players tend to be more 'panicked' than they would be in a standard 90+30 FIDE rated game, and therefore (rightly or wrongly), some players will press the clock with more force than they would in a long game. As such, I am more inclined to show leniency with regard to article 6.7c, however I did not notice any 'clock punching' to be excessively noisy or loud, so felt there was no need to intervene. As I mentioned, no players made me aware during the event of any issue in this regard, so again I felt no need to intervene.
    If such a complaint was made, then I would have made a point to warn both players in the game in question, watched the rest of the game (and applied further warnings/penalties as necessary) and given a general reminder to the entire field before the start of the next round (as I did with some other rules that came up during the tournament).

    This exact issue was brought to my attention during the recent MCC allegro championships & I gave the entire field a general reminder about handling of the clocks before the next round commenced & this seemed to solve, or at least reduce, the problem.

    As for the tournament itself, it was extremely strong, with over half the field being rated over 1800! This makes the performances of both Leonid Sandler & Bobby Cheng (who finished on 11.5 & 11 respectively, 1.5 points clear of third place) particularly noteworthy.
    Other notable performances came from Ari Dale, whose 8/13 was over 2 points more than he was expected to score by rating, while David Cannon's 6/13 (3.5 above expectation) was also excellent.
    Jack Hughes was the standout in this regard, scoring 6.5/13 against an average field of 1886! His expected score against this field was just 0.26, so his performance was an extraordinary 6 points above expectation!
    Congratulations to all the prizewinners & thanks to MCC for providing the venue, which has helped further its reputation (as Sandler later noted in his President's report to the AGM later in the afternoon) as the home of speed chess in Victoria!

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    Hmmm. On the one hand any mention of the word "clock" and anyone with anything to do with Chess Victoria will always bring a wry expression to my face. Based on my own experience CV considers the value of a chess clock to both exceed its weight in gold and equal precisely ten dollars, so I think the only appropriate response is to simultaneously both conduct a Royal Commission into the possibility that a precious CV clock was placed at risk, and also shrug the shoulders and ignore it.

    On the other hand, I notice that after losing this game to Sandler, in which he seems to have done nothing to assert his right to arbiter intervention, James appears to have withdrawn. And unless he tripped over a table while going to find his next opponent and busted his arm, that leaves him in a weakened position to complain about the behaviour of others.

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