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    Starting a club / affiliation with existing clubs?

    Hi there,

    I'm in Lilydale, an outer-eastern suburb of Melbourne. A long time ago I was a member of Ringwood Chess Club (circa 1980) but I dropped out of chess for a number of years and some time since then the club folded.

    As best I can determine, the nearest club to here would be Box Hill (or Waverley?). That's about 1/2 an hour by car, so I figure there might be an opportunity to start up something a bit closer.

    I have already arranged access to a pretty decent venue at no cost (could accommodate about 30+ people quite happily). I am interested to know:

    1. Would those who are regular players prefer:
    (a) travel further to a much stronger club for better competition; or
    (b) travel a shorter distance to a more convenient location; or
    (c) a shandy, sometimes (a) and sometimes (b)?

    2. Do you think that a larger, long-established club such as Box Hill would be interested in having a start-up club as an affiliate of theirs, or would they simply view it as competition that potentially "steals" away a few of their members?

    My current thinking is to start up a good venue for social players to get together. I plan on working closely with local council to attract new players (in conjunction with local schools) and helping out the local library by purchasing some quality chess books for them to help stock their shelves (currently, chess books are virtually non-existant at our libraries out here).

    My son (aged 11) is now keen to play chess and will shortly be good enough to beat poor ol' Dad ... so I want to get him some good competition.

    Would appreciate feedback ... if you think starting a new club is a dumb idea, just say so!

    Regards,

    Steve

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    hello frosty, the person on here who is probably the one you should be waiting for a reply from his starter, who is from box hill.

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    sorry to reply again straight after my previous post.

    Frosty, i see you are looking at David cordovers school competition, i think you might want to have a look at another thread

    the thread title is check,mates, hes a multiple winner and its located at: http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=1076&page=1

    Have fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    hello frosty, the person on here who is probably the one you should be waiting for a reply from his starter, who is from box hill.
    Ta ... will keep an eye out for a reply from him ... if necessary will contact him directly.


    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    sorry to reply again straight after my previous post.

    Frosty, i see you are looking at David cordovers school competition, i think you might want to have a look at another thread

    the thread title is check,mates, hes a multiple winner and its located at: http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=1076&page=1

    Have fun
    All of this makes for interesting reading. <grins>. I understand the "entrepreneurial urge" (having launched a couple of businesses myself over the years ... in the IT/software area).

    I had no idea that chess in VIC was such a hotbed of intrigue ...

    Cheers,

    Frosty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty
    Hi there,

    I'm in Lilydale, an outer-eastern suburb of Melbourne. A long time ago I was a member of Ringwood Chess Club (circa 1980) but I dropped out of chess for a number of years and some time since then the club folded.
    Ringwood was an initiative of a current LIFE member at Box Hill. When Ringwood started various Box Hill members travelled to the early tournaments to help get a critical mass going. Ringwood folded after a few years and the assets were donated to Box Hill; Box Hill then ran a Super_OPEN with free entry to the Woodsmen with the idea of attracting those guys to BH. Only a few took up the offer long-term.
    Looking at the current BH members register I can see quite a few who come from the Hills. If you like to drop in one Friday or Tuesday I will share the list with you. You may also like to post a display notice on our notice-board.
    No, you are not competition, you are some-one we would encourage as we are far too large (250+ members)

    As best I can determine, the nearest club to here would be Box Hill (or Waverley?). That's about 1/2 an hour by car, so I figure there might be an opportunity to start up something a bit closer.
    Sadly, Waverley has folded.

    I have already arranged access to a pretty decent venue at no cost (could accommodate about 30+ people quite happily). I am interested to know:

    1. Would those who are regular players prefer:
    (a) travel further to a much stronger club for better competition; or
    (b) travel a shorter distance to a more convenient location; or
    (c) a shandy, sometimes (a) and sometimes (b)?
    1(c) would probably be the choice of many.

    2. Do you think that a larger, long-established club such as Box Hill would be interested in having a start-up club as an affiliate of theirs, or would they simply view it as competition that potentially "steals" away a few of their members?
    See above comments of mine. We would encourage you every step of the way. As would the ChessVICTORIA president.....he will be at Box Hill tomorrow night, supervising the VIC Champ.

    My current thinking is to start up a good venue for social players to get together. I plan on working closely with local council to attract new players (in conjunction with local schools) and helping out the local library by purchasing some quality chess books for them to help stock their shelves (currently, chess books are virtually non-existant at our libraries out here).
    Good plan.


    My son (aged 11) is now keen to play chess and will shortly be good enough to beat poor ol' Dad ... so I want to get him some good competition.
    Great idea.

    Would appreciate feedback ... if you think starting a new club is a dumb idea, just say so!

    Regards,

    Steve
    Steve.........you are on the right track.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty

    All of this makes for interesting reading. <grins>. I understand the "entrepreneurial urge" (having launched a couple of businesses myself over the years ... in the IT/software area).

    I had no idea that chess in VIC was such a hotbed of intrigue ...

    Cheers,

    Frosty
    Steve
    Forget the white-shoe brigade in Qld and the Welshers to the south of them. They struggle to understand different business models. Victoria is the place to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starter
    Ringwood was an initiative of a current LIFE member at Box Hill. When Ringwood started various Box Hill members travelled to the early tournaments to help get a critical mass going. Ringwood folded after a few years and the assets were donated to Box Hill; Box Hill then ran a Super_OPEN with free entry to the Woodsmen with the idea of attracting those guys to BH. Only a few took up the offer long-term.
    Looking at the current BH members register I can see quite a few who come from the Hills. If you like to drop in one Friday or Tuesday I will share the list with you. You may also like to post a display notice on our notice-board.
    No, you are not competition, you are some-one we would encourage as we are far too large (250+ members)

    <snip>

    See above comments of mine. We would encourage you every step of the way. As would the ChessVICTORIA president.....he will be at Box Hill tomorrow night, supervising the VIC Champ.
    I remember a few names from back then ... Alan (?) DeVries, John Butler, Bill Wildenburg, Otto Barton, Kevin Morrison.

    One of the biggest thrills of my chess life was getting a draw against John Butler in 1982. I still have the game score somewhere. He was ranked ~1800 at the time, and I was still very-wet-behind-the-ears ~1400.

    I guess Ringwood must've folded in the late 80's? My old score book shows my games there starting in 1980 and the last ones were in the club championship in 1988. So I was involved there longer than I thought at first...

    Thanks for the info "starter". I think I might take you up on that offer to come down to Box Hill.

    Tonight you say? I can probably manage that. Website says the address is "79 Carrington Road, Box Hill" so that doesn't sound difficult to find.

    I'll try sending you a private message with my details so that we can hook up and have a chat.

    Thanks again,

    Steve

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    John Butler story

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty
    I remember a few names from back then ... Alan (?) DeVries, John Butler, Bill Wildenburg, Otto Barton, Kevin Morrison.
    Snap. We have John Butler still active at Box Hill, two evenings a week. Well into his 80's, and a Life member. Famous on this BB for winning three games in row; hence the John Butler Trio. There is a marvellous John Butler story in our publication celebrating 50 years at Box Hill. I will dig out and post.

    One of the biggest thrills of my chess life was getting a draw against John Butler in 1982. I still have the game score somewhere. He was ranked ~1800 at the time, and I was still very-wet-behind-the-ears ~1400.
    John's rating is used by Bill Gletsos to feed the under-rated juniors. So he has been reduced from 1800 to 1301.


    I guess Ringwood must've folded in the late 80's? My old score book shows my games there starting in 1980 and the last ones were in the club championship in 1988. So I was involved there longer than I thought at first...

    Thanks for the info "starter". I think I might take you up on that offer to come down to Box Hill.

    Tonight you say? I can probably manage that. Website says the address is "79 Carrington Road, Box Hill" so that doesn't sound difficult to find.
    It is in the Senior Citizens Club on the corner with Thurston.

    I'll try sending you a private message with my details so that we can hook up and have a chat.

    Thanks again,

    Steve
    Responded to your PM


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    Whats wrong with a long Journey??

    It takes me 1.5 hours to get home from my chess club on a monday night.
    .5 hour train trip
    1 hour walk
    (though i do live in the country.


    However good luck with starting your club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tparker
    Whats wrong with a long Journey??

    It takes me 1.5 hours to get home from my chess club on a monday night.
    .5 hour train trip
    1 hour walk
    (though i do live in the country.

    However good luck with starting your club.

    Blimey ... wouldn't want to be raining would it !

    Frosty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty
    Blimey ... wouldn't want to be raining would it !

    Frosty.
    well.... my parents dont mind the phonecall for a lift from the station if it is raining....
    GO THE DRAGONS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tparker
    Whats wrong with a long Journey??

    It takes me 1.5 hours to get home from my chess club on a monday night.
    .5 hour train trip
    1 hour walk
    (though i do live in the country.


    However good luck with starting your club.
    1 hour walk!! Cripes, you are a chess nut!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Dickinson
    1 hour walk!! Cripes, you are a chess nut!
    It compensates for his unhealthy chess life - what with it being a sedentary pursuit.

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    I guess this makes me a prophet!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty
    My son (aged 11) is now keen to play chess and will shortly be good enough to beat poor ol' Dad ... so I want to get him some good competition.
    Shouldn't have opened my big mouth. We were playing a couple of quick games tonight (without clocks tho') and, sure enough, he snuck one past me. I thought I was getting old, but now I know it!

    Anyway, recorded for posterity, here's my boy's first win over Dad. May he have many more!

    Event: Informal game
    Site: @home
    Date: Saturday, 25th September 2004
    White: Frost, Stephen
    Black: Frost, Jared (aged 11)
    Result: 0-1
    ECO: E47

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    Starting a Club: News Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty
    My current thinking is to start up a good venue for social players to get together. I plan on working closely with local council ...
    News update:

    I applied for funding from council a few months ago to help get things up and running. Looks like that has been successful and I am meeting with them this week to work out the details.

    Interesting aspect is that I applied for a grant under the council's "Cultural Grants" program. That application was rejected because they didn't feel that a chess club properly fit their criteria ... BUT ... they liked the application so much that they forwarded it on to the guy who manages "Leisure Activities".

    They had some funding left over from last year's leisure grants program that had not been allocated (presumably due to not having enough high-quality applications), so they're going to fund it out of that money.

    Special thanks to starter for giving me some good tips on how to write an effective council grant application! Obviously the advice was spot on!

    Can anyone help me with information in respect of the following two questions?

    1. Who is running a "junior chess program" in Bayswater and are they "reputable"? Council would like to introduce me to them to see if there are synergies. On the face of it this makes good sense and supplies me with an instant membership.
    2. Who runs "Croydon Chess Club"? There is no such club affiliated with Chess Victoria as best I can tell. I have a phone number here for the club - rang it yesterday and got someone's private residence.
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