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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    ... Just posted the below link for further reference.


    http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...wra-prison.htm
    From that link:

    "The Australian guards could not even pretend to understand this attitude and saw most of the Japanese prisoners as surly and fanatical. Things were not helped when late in the war information reached Australia about the way the Japanese were treating Australian prisoners.

    It was this mutual incomprehension between the two races which led to the 'night of a thousand suicides' when the Japanese in the Cowra prison camp attempted a mass breakout on 5 August 1944. As a result, 231 Japanese and four Australians were killed. The Australian guards thought the Japanese were attempting to take over the camp. Actually, they were attempting to kill themselves.

    Yet there is no evidence to suggest that the Australian authorities treated the Japanese prisoners any differently to any other group. Unlike the Italians they were not permitted to leave the camps to work on the farms but otherwise they received the same rations and were subject to the same discipline. At no time was there any attempt to wreak revenge on the Japanese for their treatment of Australian prisoners. Unfortunately this attitude was misinterpreted by some of the Japanese as weakness and on several occasions they pushed matters as far as they could by refusing to work when ordered, refusing to turn up on parades and refusing to salute Australian officers. Had Australian prisoners acted in the same fashion in Japanese POW camps their punishment would have been severe."

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    I finally spoke to my uncle who is a little hard of hearing on the phone. He does not dispute the 231 figure but thought that a lot more committed suicide than reported. He had to help put the corpse in the mass graves, each had a name tag. He swears that there is definitely three mass graves and not one. He was in the guard of honour for the four dead Aussie soldiers. He complained that it was a freezing morning with the grass icy. He had to bury the corpse that were chewed up by the train, he said there were like mince meat. I know that he suffered trauma from this that affected him for many years afterwards - he hardly spoke when I was a child. He only described everything when was 85 years old. He complains that at the anniversaries no one he knows turns up only a few of their children. Gone but not forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    I finally spoke to my uncle who is a little hard of hearing on the phone. He does not dispute the 231 figure but thought that a lot more committed suicide than reported. He had to help put the corpse in the mass graves, each had a name tag. He swears that there is definitely three mass graves and not one. He was in the guard of honour for the four dead Aussie soldiers. He complained that it was a freezing morning with the grass icy. He had to bury the corpse that were chewed up by the train, he said there were like mince meat. I know that he suffered trauma from this that affected him for many years afterwards - he hardly spoke when I was a child. He only described everything when was 85 years old. He complains that at the anniversaries no one he knows turns up only a few of their children. Gone but not forgotten.
    So there you go. Your impression from your uncle's war stories that there were two more secret mass graves was wrong. They were all buried together, albeit in three rather than one mass grave (presumably adjoining graves). No secrets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    So there you go. Your impression from your uncle's war stories that there were two more secret mass graves was wrong. They were all buried together, albeit in three rather than one mass grave (presumably adjoining graves). No secrets.
    Actually they are not adjoining. The public are only signposted the close one the other two are further away. He stated there were electrified fences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Actually they are not adjoining. The public are only signposted the close one the other two are further away.
    "Established in 1964, this is the only Japanese War Cemetery to be retained in Australia. There are 523 graves at the Japanese War Cemetery, containing the remains of the 231 Japanese soldiers who were killed in the 1944 Cowra Breakout and all Japanese Nationals who died on Australian soil during World War II. "
    https://visitcowra.com.au/pow-the-breakout

    He stated there were electrified fences.
    “They wanted to take over the camp and get hold of the two machine guns that were guarding the camp. One group of men ran to the centre of the camp known as ‘Broadway’ to open up the camp and let other prisoners out. There were four compounds in the camp and only one compound was involved in the breakout. The plan was to open the gates while another group went to climb the fence to provide support from outside the camp. Others charged at the machine guns and that’s when the majority of casualties occurred. The group that climbed over the fence mostly survived as there was just one Australian there with a gun who couldn’t do much to stop hundreds of Japanese.”
    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...98b656f74f2911

    No electrified fences

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Of course she was a refugee fleeing persecution who was given asylum (effectively). Unfortunately a large number of Jews who tried to flee Germany were rejected because countries didn't regard them as suitable immigrants.
    Very true. The Holocaust Museum in Washington DC documents the USA's State Department's great shame in this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Very true. The Holocaust Museum in Washington DC documents the USA's State Department's great shame in this area.
    I have read Oz history of this at the time but Muslim migrants were considered more acceptable for reasons of assimilation.
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    Who were the Martians?
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    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...085457048.html


    Lessons on hope from a Hungarian forced labourer in World War II
    A renowned human rights lawyer, whose father was a forced labourer during World War II, shares lessons from his life.

    Reed Brody by Reed Brody
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    After he returned from Ukraine, the Hungarian collaborationist government sent Mompi to a large labour battalion at a Yugoslav copper mine where a sadistic commander took pleasure in torturing the workers.

    The battallion was disbanded in the face of a Soviet advance in October 1944, and thousands of Jews were shot by the retreating Nazis on a forced march towards Hungary.
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    I should not be surprised as it is nothing out of the ordinary in those times but these forced labourers (Jewish in this case) were executed, after years of work for the German cause, just out of sheer callousness. Now Hungary has gone right wing again?

    Now we have the virus amongst us that we have to conform with the lockdowns and people are complaining that it crams their style. It is slowly sending me "broke" - but that is life sometimes. Accept what you cannot change. But what hatred was shown during WW2 - it is unfathomable.
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    and further down in above article:

    My upbringing was full of historical and literary references. When I set up the black pieces for our chess matches, we pretended I was the Russian General Kutuzov, from Tolstoy's War and Peace, drawing Napoleon's troops to enter my territory only to be defeated by the Russian winter, as Hitler's troops would be a century later.

    A classic

    The whole lengthy article was probably shown on Al Jeeraza and is definitely worth watching to peer into another world just before ours but do undeniable terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    From that link:

    "The Australian guards could not even pretend to understand this attitude and saw most of the Japanese prisoners as surly and fanatical. Things were not helped when late in the war information reached Australia about the way the Japanese were treating Australian prisoners.

    It was this mutual incomprehension between the two races which led to the 'night of a thousand suicides' when the Japanese in the Cowra prison camp attempted a mass breakout on 5 August 1944. As a result, 231 Japanese and four Australians were killed. The Australian guards thought the Japanese were attempting to take over the camp. Actually, they were attempting to kill themselves.

    Yet there is no evidence to suggest that the Australian authorities treated the Japanese prisoners any differently to any other group. Unlike the Italians they were not permitted to leave the camps to work on the farms but otherwise they received the same rations and were subject to the same discipline. At no time was there any attempt to wreak revenge on the Japanese for their treatment of Australian prisoners. Unfortunately this attitude was misinterpreted by some of the Japanese as weakness and on several occasions they pushed matters as far as they could by refusing to work when ordered, refusing to turn up on parades and refusing to salute Australian officers. Had Australian prisoners acted in the same fashion in Japanese POW camps their punishment would have been severe."
    Thanks for all this information.
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    Arsenal of Democracy

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/4..._of_Iron_Game/

    amazingly there is a game where one can replay WW2.

    Arsenal of democracy referred to Michigan that produced military vehicles for the GB war effort though USA not entering the war. One year before Pearl Harbour. Big mistake by the Japanese there.
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    Now ER leftard European partisans and USSR commos did their bit in ridding Europe of Nazis so why are you picking on them. It was Sir Winston who agreed to ceding a lot of Europe to Stalin. The Pope objected but he had insufficient battalions. And Teddy was too sick. Trump can do deals with dictators Putin and Chi but only the leftards are complaining - God Bless Them. Now you post Vera's song where you think appropriate.
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    It was Sir Winston who agreed to ceding a lot of Europe to Stalin.
    Rubbish! It was Stalin who did just that, go learn some history starting from the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact!
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    It was Sir Winston who agreed to ceding a lot of Europe to Stalin.
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    Rubbish! It was Stalin who did just that
    It was Stalin who agreed to ceding a lot of Europe to Stalin?

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