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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    I feel no animus. I know exactly what I'm doing and it ain't personal. How me mate GG takes it is his problem.

    In fact, I've been quite charitable towards him where I saw he deserved it.

    AR
    You seem to be at him all the time - criticise ideas and outcomes rather than people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    We all sympathise with your people. The way I see it, it's a double whammy ain't? Not only is there no home final, the organisers are all gringos - a NSWelshman, a toad, South Australians, and someone who seems to be an eternal ring-in. What message is that saying to our Mexicans brothers and sisters?

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    it says that cv had their chance with mb2 and blew it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    it says that cv had their chance with mb2 and blew it.
    So, CV, which is the clubs, which is the loyal chess fans, are incompetent?

    They "blew it"! That's what you're saying. What arrogance!

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    Are you at some sort of loose end today Amiel?

    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    So, CV, which is the clubs, which is the loyal chess fans, are incompetent?

    They "blew it"! That's what you're saying. What arrogance!

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    There is a fundamental difference at play here.
    Your Welshers structure has led to a very strong coherent STATE association that appears able to run many tournaments and fill many executive tasks. I pass no comment on whether your strong State Ass'n disempowers Clubs to be equally strong; but I do note Paul S's lament about the strong NZ Club in relation to his experience.
    Mexico has the opposite. A CV so weak they can't fill the Committee. Can't get the most important Club to join. Can't get half the non-affilates to join. Can't stop privateers joining and having COI.
    But we have got some strong Clubs.

    In the context of Mexico CV, we probably couldn't run Mt B.
    So why would we feel put out when some-one else (wearing flags of convenience) has a GO? (Except as I said earlier...the loss of a 'home final').

    starter

    ps Do you like Quakers Hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by starter
    Do you like Quakers Hill?
    FMD mate . . . I must admit, I don't even bloody know where it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    FMD mate . . . I must admit, I don't even bloody know where it is!

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    Well AR aka Metro-man
    Get out your Gregory's (or hit one of those Internet whereis sites) and expand you view. Then you will have an idea where our 'home final' feels like to us.

    starter

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenni
    ??????
    This refers to me, I think because I seemed to say something Garvin was unprepared to say.

    Anyway this is my last post on the organising of the MT Buller tournaments. The last straw was Amiel continual refering to me as though I have something to do with the organisers despite the fact Garvin and I have repeatedly denied it. I will not even be replying to replies to the message. If you really want a response private message me and I might reply.

    I will leave the childish behavour of some behind and hopefully they will let the organisers continue their efforts without the continual unfair criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starter
    Then you will have an idea where our 'home final' feels like to us.

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    clarification: even though mt buller is in victoria, it is not a home final for victoria. There is no home state for these mt buller tournaments. CV made it very clear at the acf council meeting that they were not to be regarded as the home state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottColliver
    This refers to me . . .
    I was referring to jenni you Jesus Freak.

    I shoulda added a smiley then, especially since everyone seems to be in a drama queen mood today. Must be the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    I was referring to jenni you Jesus Freak.
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    Why "eternal ring in" - or did it just sound nice at the time? I don't think I've ever been dragged into something like this before? Or is it asking too much to have some logic behind descriptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenni
    Why "eternal ring in" - or did it just sound nice at the time? I don't think I've ever been dragged into something like this before? Or is it asking too much to have some logic behind descriptions.
    amiel and logic they are mutually exclusive arent they

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenni
    Why "eternal ring in" - or did it just sound nice at the time?


    Hehehe . . . yes! Of course, I had in mind you being a ring-in in tourns too, etc, etc. plus this organising team.

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    Starter makes a good point about CV. His concerns about a 'home final' however seem a little odd when you look at the recent history of the Australian Juniors and location. Last time CV hosted the Australian Junior (1999 if memory serves), it was held in Morwell ... another for the whereis search - hardly the most convenient of locations for the Melbournians. So one could get the feeling that you Mexicans were accustomed to travelling to the Australian Juniors ... hence another year of travel and accomodation expense is simply par for the course.
    Obviously it would be nice for those in Melbourne to play a tournament where they could sleep in their own bed, etc, however none of the current Victorian juniors would have had such an experience anyway!

    As for Ian's comments about anonymity and criticism, I'd have to say that there would (I imagine) be a little less criticism of the organisers if such criticism could be pinpointed to a particular person. Yes, people like Amiel would still have their gripes (but he is rarely taken seriously anyway! ), but the less-visible posters would have to put their name to their posts, which some (I imagine) wouldn't be so willing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Stead
    . . . he is rarely taken seriously anyway!
    This is just the sort of uncaring attitude we have come to expect. When I canvassed some chess players at the NSW States Ch if they were going to Mt Buller - one question I got was, "what state is that in?"

    In fact, when I told a well-known chess personality about this, whose name we have seen here, his reply was, "It wouldn't surprise me."

    Yesterday, a strong player encouraged me to tell another strong player about the NZ Congrees.

    So let me ask you this Kerry: when are you going to take this seriously?

    And how about this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Stead
    So one could get the feeling that you Mexicans were accustomed to travelling to the Australian Juniors ... hence another year of travel and accomodation expense is simply par for the course.
    READ: We don't care about you lot. Get used to it. Deal with it!

    My heart surely goes out to my Mexican brothers and sisters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar


    Hehehe . . . yes! Of course, I had in mind you being a ring-in in tourns too, etc, etc. plus this organising team.

    AR
    Ah! I am happy - there is logic Yes I am often the ring in for tournaments to avoid the bye.

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