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    Yes. I'd think they'd be relieved it wasn't worse after the last two. At the moment many think Labor's momentum has stalled at about 47.5 2PP but I think it is too early to be confident of that.

    I'll be hugely surprised if Abbott is booted this year. If it happens I think Feb or Mar. Then again at one stage I thought Gillard was likely to be booted. In that, I underestimated Labor.
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    He will be our most culturally literate PM
    Andrew Bolt, 6 April 2013

    As I said at the IPA anniversary dinner, I believe Tony Abbott - if successful at the election - will be the most culturally literate and thoughtful Prime Minister since at least Robert Menzies.

    While I have at times argued with him over policy, I have not once had reason to question his character. I believe him to be a thoroughly good man. As I said, it is unimaginable to me that he would ever seek to lead by division or to foster the politics of hate. That simply is not in his character.

    Abbott’s superb speech that night simply confirms for me those judgements:

    At one level, tonight we celebrate the 70th birthday of the Institute of Public Affairs; but at a deeper level we celebrate things that are timeless – the freedom that our civilisation has nurtured and the faith that has nurtured our civilisation....

    In the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve could do almost as they pleased but freedom turned out to have its limits and its abuses, as this foundational story makes only too clear. Yet without freedom we can hardly be human; hardly be worthy of creation in the image of God. From the Garden of Eden, to the Exodus, Athenian democracy, the Roman Senate, Magna Carta, the glorious revolution and American independence, the story of our civilisation has been the story of freedom and our struggles to achieve it.

    Freedom, ladies and gentlemen, is what we yearn for but it can only exist within a framework of law so that every person’s freedom is consistent with the same freedom for everyone else. This is what the poet Tennyson meant when he described England as “a land of just and old renown, a land of settled government where freedom broadens slowly down from precedent to precedent”. At least in the English speaking tradition, liberalism and conservatism, love of freedom and respect for due process, have been easy allies.

    The IPA, I want to say, has been freedom’s discerning friend. It has supported capitalism, but capitalism with a conscience. Not for the IPA, a single-minded dogmatism or opposition to all restraint; rather a sophisticated appreciation that freedom requires a social context and that much is expected from those to whom so much has been given. You’ve understood that freedom is both an end and a means; a good in itself, as well as necessary for full human flourishing…

    Contemporary Australia has well and truly - and rightly - left behind the old cult of forgetfulness about our indigenous heritage. Alas, there is a new version of the great Australian silence – this time about the Western canon, the literature, the poetry, the music, the history and above all the faith without which our culture and our civilisation are unimaginable.

    “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is the foundation of our justice. “Love your neighbour as you love yourself” is the foundation of our mercy. Faith has weakened but not, I’m pleased to say, this high mindedness which faith helped to spawn…

    So, ladies and gentlemen, this is a special night. This is a night to renew our commitment, to renew our faith. In a hundred years’ time, all of us will be gone but, please God, not the ideals and the great causes for which we stand. May it be said of us that we have passed the torch of freedom to our successors; which we do by supporting an organisation that’s bigger than any of us and that can outlive all of us.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    I can remember Robert Menzies and don't consider him culturally literate, our flagship by a mile is Edward Gough Whitlam, who, at the drop of a hat, could quote the ancient classics to bemused and bemuddled journalists. Abbot can only quote the Roman Catholic Church and BA Santamaria.

    Gough was fully supported by the artistic community for his appreciation and sponsership of the arts. It was state Labor who built the Sydney Opera House.

    I have younger Liberal cousins who hang off every word that Gough says as so brilliant.
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    Tony Abbott appointed to board of Australian War Memorial

    Possibly to open a new wing on the war within the Liberal Party, but that may just be my reading.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Tony Abbott appointed to board of Australian War Memorial

    Possibly to open a new wing on the war within the Liberal Party, but that may just be my reading.
    I would have thought that ex-service personnel would have been appointed to the Board but both Abbot and Brenden Nelson I don't think served in the forces. I consider that Nelson took the job seriously and was successful but surely ex-service people who have risked their life deserve a cushy home coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    With apologies to H L Mencken who said it better as "It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to physics or chemistry."
    My sister in law was using maths but that subject was not her forte and you can guess the result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    I would have thought that ex-service personnel would have been appointed to the Board but both Abbot and Brenden Nelson I don't think served in the forces. I consider that Nelson took the job seriously and was successful but surely ex-service people who have risked their life deserve a cushy home coming.
    Well, the thing is, you know, sometimes, shit happens.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Well, the thing is, you know, sometimes, shit happens.
    Even Harold Holt did time in the Forces but he got no cushy job.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Abbott has some 'interesting' views on how to handle the pandemic:
    Tony Abbott, the former Australian prime minister tipped to become a UK trade envoy, has railed against Covid “health dictatorships”, saying the economic cost of lockdowns meant families should be allowed to consider letting elderly relatives with the coronavirus die by letting nature take its course.

    His expressed views don't seem very consistent with his previous opposition to euthanasia, and they would be anathema to the Catholic Church, of course.

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    Does anybody know if Tony Abbott said this: -

    Labour MP Claudia Webbe quoted remarks attributed to him in 2012, that men were by physiology or temperament, more adapted than women to exercise authority and issue commands, and asked if, in the light of that opinion, he would have difficulty accepting the authority of Liz Truss. - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53989484

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blunderbuss View Post
    Does anybody know if Tony Abbott said this: -

    Labour MP Claudia Webbe quoted remarks attributed to him in 2012, that men were by physiology or temperament, more adapted than women to exercise authority and issue commands, and asked if, in the light of that opinion, he would have difficulty accepting the authority of Liz Truss. - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53989484
    These claimed remarks were widely quoted in 2012 but at the time were said to have been made in 1998. A claimed transcript of the comments was posted on Albanese's website in 2012 but had been removed by 2013. The claimed transcript was:

    Tony Abbott said this: “If it’s true, Stavros, that men have more power, generally speaking, than women, is that a bad thing?”

    Costa: “Clearly it’s a bad thing.”

    Abbott: “Why is that, Michael?”

    Costa: “I want my daughter to have as much opportunity as my son.”

    Abbott: “Yeah, I completely agree, but what if men are by physiology or temperament more adapted to exercise authority or to issue commands?”

    Costa: “Well see, I don’t believe that. What I do think is that we should never be in a situation where women have got to define their notions of success and self worth by negating a traditional role. But in terms of the power structure I think it’s very hard to deny that there is an under-representation of women.”

    Abbott: “But now there’s an assumption that that is a bad thing.”

    The alleged comments were referenced in Gillard's misogyny speech. It seems that there is no online reference to them that pre-dates 2012. However Liberals at the time including Julie Bishop defended Abbott's comments as supposedly just asking questions.
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    I thought you might be all over this! Thanks Kevin.

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    I have now found the original article, published under the heading of "The Men's Room" in the SMH Good Weekend section Aug 29 1998. The whole article is a 7000 word transcript of a panel discussion and he is quoted as saying what Albanese said he said.
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    I wonder if Albo tipped off the UK Labour MP Claudia Webbe? So she could quote it again in 2020.

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