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    Joe Biden labelled Assange a terrorist. Who said Dan Quayle was the stupidest American vice-president?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    Joe Biden labelled Assange a terrorist. Who said Dan Quayle was the stupidest American vice-president?
    Hmmm, that would make Biden stupid enough to be a right-wing Republican since plenty of those have been using the t-word. But the report only indicates that asked whether Assange was more akin to a whistleblower or a high-tech terrorist, Biden said "I would argue that it's closer to being a high-tech terrorist." The heading oversimplifies the comment, which is still fairly dumb, but not as bad as it makes out.

    I think the correct answer goes something like "He's not the Messiah or a terrorist, he's just a very naughty little boy."

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    I recommend to everyone who is interested in the issue a very good wrap-up by Stratfor:

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    This raises the question of why diplomats canít always simply state their minds rather than publicly mouth preposterous platitudes. It could be as simple as this: My son was a terrible pianist. He completely lacked talent. After his recitals at age 10, I would pretend to be enthralled. He knew he was awful and he knew I knew he was awful, but it was appropriate that I not admit what I knew. It is called politeness and sometimes affection. There is rarely affection among nations, but politeness calls for behaving differently when a person is in the company of certain other people than when that person is with colleagues talking about those people. This is the simplest of human rules. Not admitting what you know about others is the foundation of civilization. The same is true among diplomats and nations.

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    There is, of course, the question of whether states should hold secrets, which is at the root of the WikiLeaks issue. Assange claims that by revealing these secrets WikiLeaks is doing a service. His ultimate maxim, as he has said on several occasions, is that if money and resources are being spent on keeping something secret, then the reasons must be insidious. Nations have secrets for many reasons, from protecting a military or intelligence advantage to seeking some advantage in negotiations to, at times, hiding nefarious plans. But it is difficult to imagine a state ó or a business or a church ó acting without confidentiality. Imagine that everything you wrote and said in an attempt to figure out a problem was made public? Every stupid idea that you discarded or clueless comment you expressed would now be pinned on you. But more than that, when you argue that nations should engage in diplomacy rather than war, taking away privacy makes diplomacy impossible. If what you really think of the guy on the other side of the table is made public, how can diplomacy work?

    This is the contradiction at the heart of the WikiLeaks project. Given what I have read Assange saying, he seems to me to be an opponent of war and a supporter of peace. Yet what he did in leaking these documents, if the leaking did anything at all, is make diplomacy more difficult. It is not that it will lead to war by any means; it is simply that one cannot advocate negotiations and then demand that negotiators be denied confidentiality in which to conduct their negotiations. No business could do that, nor could any other institution. Note how vigorously WikiLeaks hides the inner workings of its own organization, from how it is funded to the people it employs.
    On possibility (or impossibility) of legal charges against Assange:

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    Now it is interesting whether the sheer existence of WikiLeaks constituted encouragement or conspiracy with anyone willing to pass on classified information to him. But more interesting by far is the sequence of events that led a U.S. Army private first class not only to secure the material but to know where to send it and how to get it there. If Pfc. Bradley Manning conceived and executed the theft by himself, and gave the information to WikiLeaks unprompted, Assange is clear. But anyone who assisted Manning or encouraged him is probably guilty of conspiracy, and if Assange knew what was being done, he is probably guilty, too. There was talk about some people at MIT helping Manning. Unscrambling the sequence is what the Justice Department is undoubtedly doing now. Assange cannot be guilty of treason, since he isnít a U.S. citizen. But he could be guilty of espionage. His best defense will be that he canít be guilty of espionage because the material that was stolen was so trivial.
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    What is about Australians? Now there's a 17 year old sheila who's calling herself the female Julian Assange and who's apparently wreaking havoc in the AFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    What is about Australians? Now there's a 17 year old sheila who's calling herself the female Julian Assange and who's apparently wreaking havoc in the AFL.

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    Assange complains about leaks.

    WikiLeaks locked in war of words

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    And Assange, the 21st century's champion of leaks and free flows of information, is even reported to have threatened in November to sue The Guardian if it published stories after the newspaper had obtained its own leaked copy of the WikiLeaks databanks.
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    Other British journalists and commentators, perhaps partly motivated by what Assange's lawyer Mark Stephens calls "Wiki envy" over The Guardian's barrage of WikiLeaks scoops, are revelling in the falling out and in the irony of Assange complaining about leaks.
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    assange should be australian of the year, regardless of those sexual allegations. If he does not deserve it than no one does

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    assange should be australian of the year, regardless of those sexual allegations. If he does not deserve it than no one does
    that's a splendid idea !! lets award australian of the year to a guy currently under investigation for sexual assault.

    your an idiot a/c.

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    rest of post moved to more approp thread


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    Nor did he upset Axiom so much causing him to disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    he should be world man of the year instead, too good for a little backside of the world country like Australia.

    Yesterday, Tuesday, it was reported how the sellout Palestinian negotiators were conspiring to sellout the Palestinian cause without informing their consitutents - a hero a hundred times over for what has been released.

    I am sure many heros also have a dirty background - at least he did not cause the death of about 100,000 Iraqis in an illegal unnecessary war like Howard, Blair and Bush are responsible for.

    Nor did he upset Axiom so much causing him to disappear.
    This is a list of helpful hints. Please take heed A/c !!

    a) if you think australia is a little backside of the world go back and live in your beloved palestine. I'm sure you'd prefer the lifestyle.

    b) only morons worship people as heroes, having garnered only superficial knowledge of the indivdual (or 'hero') in question.

    c) Stop crapping on about palestine. Continually dredging the subject up doesn't make you any more compelling. It just makes you supremely annoying.

    d) You believe that many heroes have dirty backgrounds. It is quite possible that your just a poor judge of character, as opposed to there being a majority of role models strictly of disreputable personalities.

    e) axiom ??? when was it proven that someone actually upset axiom ???

    another fail on your behalf !!

    f) your debating skills suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotto Voce
    that's a splendid idea !! lets award australian of the year to a guy currently under investigation for sexual assault.

    your an idiot a/c.
    Actually the "sexual assault" charge against Assange is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    Actually the "sexual assault" charge against Assange is a joke.
    I know but at least wait until he's acquitted. That would seem sensible as opposed to lauding the man as 'Australian of the Year' who hasn't yet beaten the charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotto Voce
    I know but at least wait until he's acquitted. That would seem sensible as opposed to lauding the man as 'Australian of the Year' who hasn't yet beaten the charge.
    lauding the man as 'Australian of the Year' is a stupid idea by itself, regardless of the charge. Don't forget who came up with this idea!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    lauding the man as 'Australian of the Year' is a stupid idea by itself, regardless of the charge. Don't forget who came up with this idea!!
    Its hard to forget the freak that came up with this declaration since the comment spawned a splitting of the thread and an unsavoury barrage of invective from monseignor a/c.

    And wasn't that a joy to behold !!

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    Assange lost his appeal about extradition
    I have little sympathy to the man, but the decision looks unjust to me.

    However, the reaction of his fans/followers/supporter is quite amusing. This crowd firmly shares leftists believes (am I really surprised?). As such they can't bring themselves to call spade a spade: the Swedish feminazi* law (under which Assange is alleged) is, umm, well....., feminazi. No do they say that UK court is too politically correct to call that law a violation of human right and show Swedes the finger.
    Instead they peddle wacky conspiracy theories that Sweden would extradite Assange to US.
    Of course there are many details I am not aware of, but at first glance it looks like sheer lunacy.
    1. Why would Sweden (with stronger socialist and anti-American traditions then Britain) be more likely then Britain (that has close security ties with US and might be peeved with Wikileaks itself) to extradite Assange to US?
    2. Why would Britain be more likely to satisfy the extradition request from Sweden then the one from US?

    I'd be interested to know the thoughts of Assange's fans (or anyone else) on the matter.




    * There are a lot of crappy feminist policies. I reserve the term "feminazi" to the most outrageous and usage of the word is deliberate.
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