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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    The petition doesn't mention Assange the letter quoted above makes it clear that the Assange is only related coincidentally with the intent - which is to protect WikiLeaks as a media outlet.
    Yet everything apart from his arrest is a puff of hot air.
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    Some fine commentary from Malcolm. Despite him being a Lib, he is still one of my legal heroes.

    And on a side note, I hope this man gets back the top job in the Libs. I'd vote for him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    Yet everything apart from his arrest is a puff of hot air.
    US authorities putting pressure on financial organisations like PayPal, Visa and Mastercard which effectively stop WikiLeaks from accepting donations and thereby preventing them from raising funds to prepare their legal defense is hardly hot air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    US authorities putting pressure on financial organisations like PayPal, Visa and Mastercard which effectively stop WikiLeaks from accepting donations and thereby preventing them from raising funds to prepare their legal defense is hardly hot air.
    True. Even though I found it quite strange that PayPal, Visa and Mastercard succumb to US pressure while large US newspapers don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/ar...208-18prg.html

    Wikileaks reveals Mark Arbib as key US Embassy source for information about Labor and the Australian government.

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
    Yes, it will be interesting to see whether he suffers at all from the revelation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    True. Even though I found it quite strange that PayPal, Visa and Mastercard succumb to US pressure while large US newspapers don't.
    I don't find it strange at all. I can well imagine that another media outlet would show marginally more spine on a freedom of the press test case than would a financial institution which makes a small amount of money from transactions flowing through to WikiLeaks. However, when it comes to a pure bean count - trouble with the authorities might be a good deal more costly, and financial institutions are not in the business of taking risks on ideological issues.
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    It's not even going to be a "test case" as US papers are covered under the 1st Amendment. If the DOJ turns on them, they can simply argue that they merely reported based on info given to them by Wikileaks, no different to similar such leak scenarios in the past.

    But I kind of agree with Iggy here. It is a bit strange for these companies to turn on WikiLeaks especially since it is still not at all clear exactly what law WikiLeaks/Assange is supposed to have violated. Which is probably partly why Paypal have since reversed their decision and agreed to release funds to WikiLeaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    Which is probably partly why Paypal have since reversed their decision and agreed to release funds to WikiLeaks.
    It's not a full reversal as Wikileaks is still banned from using PayPal. Paypal is just letting them now remove money already accumulated in the paypal account.

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    Maybe Julian should have got out of Sweden whilst the going was good. Palestine would have protected him maybe - they don't give in easily to the usual control freaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    But I kind of agree with Iggy here. It is a bit strange for these companies to turn on WikiLeaks especially since it is still not at all clear exactly what law WikiLeaks/Assange is supposed to have violated. Which is probably partly why Paypal have since reversed their decision and agreed to release funds to WikiLeaks.
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Of course the financial institutions ought not to cease trading with WikiLeaks until it is clear that they are doing something illegal. The reason they have is principally due to the pressure applied to them by the US government.

    Similarly the papers are more likely to be sympathetic to WikiLeaks ideological position and as well as that are more likely to protect themselves from prosecution. Even if under pressure from the government they are more likely to press ahead because they know that next time it could be one of them being shut down by the government.

    Both these being true a rational person would expect the papers to be more outspoken and the financial institutions to kowtow - which is exactly what has happened. Nothing strange or unexpected at all.

    Of course the negative press and fear of customer and cyber reprisals may alter the decisions of the financial institutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watto
    Yes, it will be interesting to see whether he suffers at all from the revelation.
    He won't, certainly not in the term of this parliament.

    Things are just too finely balanced for Labor to be sacking anyone, who removing someone like Arbib from their position because of the possible blowback from the factions.

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    In light of recent revelations, is Griffith by-election more likely?
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    Governments

    l see no transparency now with governments now after some of cables were

    release in public domain .It will simply drive them even more into a secretive

    state and by-passing many sites and use more old fashion ways in sending

    documents out ,even if lot of these documents are unfounded just merely

    phantoms .This could do more damage between relationships with people and

    Governments in years to come and not just the present . l'd be very cautious in what you read from wikileaks !

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    Don't shoot the messenger, award him the Nobel Peace Prize
    EUREKA STREET - Michael Mullins December 06, 2010

    ...Yet this year WikiLeaks has taught us valuable lessons about the suppression and manipulation of information, and how such activities pose a threat to the common good.

    This is how it goes. We accept a particular version of events because it is presented to us by a public figure or organisation we trust. That is how it should be. But public officials need scrutiny to ensure they are acting in the public interest, and not their own or that of a third party.

    It's our right to query the benefit in being kept in the dark, for example, on the secret moves of US and UK officials to undermine the ban on cluster bombs. One of the cables released by WikiLeaks shows that the British Foreign Office suggested a loophole to allow the US to keep cluster bombs on British soil should be kept from Parliament.

    It's likely that the geopolitical interests of the US and the UK were being put ahead of the lives of innocent civilians in war zones.

    Such activities fly in the face of our humanitarian obligations. Yet the suppression of information about them is presented as being 'in the public interest'.

    In Australia, there is an implication that our national interest is being served by Australian Attorney-General Robert McClelland's vigorous investigation into whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has broken any laws. Arguably Assange deserves a Nobel Peace Prize nomination for upholding the value of transparency and the internationally protected human right to freedom of information.

    In its inaugural session in 1946, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution — 59(I) — which stated:

    Freedom of information is a fundamental human right and and is the touchstone of all the freedoms to which the United Nations is consecrated. [It] implies the right to gather, transmit and publish news anywhere. It is an essential factor in any serious effort to promote the peace and progress of the world...
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    from post above

    It's our right to query the benefit in being kept in the dark, for example, on the secret moves of US and UK officials to undermine the ban on cluster bombs. One of the cables released by WikiLeaks shows that the British Foreign Office suggested a loophole to allow the US to keep cluster bombs on British soil should be kept from Parliament.
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    Yet they will bomb the Mohammed out of Iraq for weapons they don't even have, whilst hiding illegal weapons themselves. The same with Israel's nuke bombs that Vanunu confirmed.

    Julian Assange, along with Andrew Wilkie, that Sinclair guy from Fraser Island battle plus a few I have forgotten, are real Aussie heroes who leave many knighted billionaries guys for dead.

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