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    Richard Dawkins wants to arrest the Pope!

    Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

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    Monster of the deep Kevin Bonham's Avatar
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    Try here for anyone seeking the actual story! [edit: see below]
    Last edited by Kevin Bonham; 12-04-2010 at 04:53 PM.

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    Monster of the deep Kevin Bonham's Avatar
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    And try here for anyone seeking the facts as opposed to the story. Dawkins says it is a beat-up.

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    I heard they smoke a good stuff in Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    I heard they smoke a good stuff in Britain.
    The same tactic seemed to have worked on Tzipi Livni.
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    Seven questions the media didn’t ask before smearing the Pope
    Phil Lawler via Andrew Bolt, 13 April 2010

    • Was Cardinal Ratzinger responding to the complaints of priestly pedophilia? No. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which the future Pontiff headed, did not have jurisdiction for pedophile priests until 2001. The cardinal was weighing a request for laicization of Kiesle.
    • Had Oakland’s Bishop John Cummins sought to laicize Kiesle as punishment for his misconduct? No. Kiesle himself asked to be released from the priesthood. The bishop supported the wayward priest’s application.
    • Was the request for laicization denied? No. Eventually, in 1987, the Vatican approved Kiesle’s dismissal from the priesthood.
    • Did Kiesle abuse children again before he was laicized? To the best of our knowledge, No. The next complaints against him arose in 2002: 15 years after he was dismissed from the priesthood.
    • Did Cardinal Ratzinger’s reluctance to make a quick decision mean that Kiesle remained in active ministry? No. Bishop Cummins had the authority to suspend the predator-priest, and in fact he had placed him on an extended leave of absence long before the application for laicization was entered.
    • Would quicker laicization have protected children in California? No. Cardinal Ratzinger did not have the power to put Kiesle behind bars. If Kiesle had been defrocked in 1985 instead of 1987, he would have remained at large, thanks to a light sentence from the California courts. As things stood, he remained at large. He was not engaged in parish ministry and had no special access to children.
    • Did the Vatican cover up evidence of Kiesle’s predatory behavior? No. The civil courts of California destroyed that evidence after the priest completed a sentence of probation-- before the case ever reached Rome.
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    What smearing? The whole scandal has barely been covered.
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