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    CC Grandmaster Garvinator's Avatar
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    another big problem contender

    On this and previous bb's, Paul S and others have given their thoughts on what is the biggest problem in australian chess.

    Some of the theories have included:

    1) Not enough ppl doing the work (lack of volunteers)
    2) Personality conflicts which drive away other ppl from wanting to joining committees
    3) Structure of memberships/tournaments etc.

    Others have also been suggested but these are the ones i remember clearest.

    I have thought about my next contender for a while but havent been able to work out how to express it, so here goes.

    Lack of communication and knowledge between ppl in charge (office bearers usually) and the rank and file(as some ppl call the players, parents etc)

    No matter how many leaflets, notices etc are sent out, the general membership ppl will generally not feel like they belong when their is no real knowledge of who is in charge and what they actually do etc.

    I think this bb is a great way for people to get to know who is in charge, what they do, who runs things and to get extra knowledge from it.

    But on this point, the trash that is bandied around doesnt help this at all and is detrimental to australian chess. So many ppl read the posts as guests and decide that they dont want to get involved cause of the trash and quite frankly, i dont blame them at all.

    I have personally learnt so much on here(despite the crap) about how australian chess is run, how i think it can be improved and how the different states work.

    Also without the various bb's, various conflicts regarding serious would not have been raised.

    Now the question is, how do we get more real communication between the masses and the ppl in charge?

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    Mr Bulldogs Paul S's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    On this and previous bb's, Paul S and others have given their thoughts on what is the biggest problem in australian chess.

    ..........................................

    I have thought about my next contender for a while but havent been able to work out how to express it, so here goes.

    Lack of communication and knowledge between ppl in charge (office bearers usually) and the rank and file(as some ppl call the players, parents etc)
    In last year's BB I actually created a thread "The Second Biggest Problem in Chess" with this as the second biggest problem in Australian chess!

    I think the problem is with both "the people in charge" and "the rank and file chessplayers".

    For example in NSW (my state) the NSWCA have not sent emails to members about upcoming tournaments for several months. Also the NSWCA should send out a "NSWCA Newsletter" to members a few times a year (like some other states do).

    Yet at the same time, chessplayers have to take some action themselves! Often at my chess club I make announcements and when I look around I see about half the people either playing chess or talking (even after I have made an announcement for everyone to pay attention). I often see this happening at tournaments, as I am sure have all of you. These players have only themselves to blame for not being aware of information!

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    CC Grandmaster Garvinator's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S
    In last year's BB I actually created a thread "The Second Biggest Problem in Chess" with this as the second biggest problem in Australian chess!
    hence why i called my thread another

    I think the problem is with both "the people in charge" and "the rank and file chessplayers".
    agree, both sides are responsible

    For example in NSW (my state) the NSWCA have not sent emails to members about upcoming tournaments for several months. Also the NSWCA should send out a "NSWCA Newsletter" to members a few times a year (like some other states do).
    i agree with this in terms of communication, but i think that even if the players read all the information they got, this would still mean they are not aware of who is who in admin. Also for instance, how many ppl in australian chess have even the foggiest regarding how the rating system works, even on a basic level. Not many would be my answer. I would guess that my knowledge of how the rating system works is better than most and i would say that my knowledge is limited at best.

    Yet at the same time, chessplayers have to take some action themselves! Often at my chess club I make announcements and when I look around I see about half the people either playing chess or talking (even after I have made an announcement for everyone to pay attention). I often see this happening at tournaments, as I am sure have all of you. These players have only themselves to blame for not being aware of information!
    i guess overall part of what i was leading towards was identifying some more reasons as to how to get more ppl in administration and helpful positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S
    For example in NSW (my state) the NSWCA have not sent emails to members about upcoming tournaments for several months. Also the NSWCA should send out a "NSWCA Newsletter" to members a few times a year (like some other states do).
    I dont believe this is correct.
    e.g.
    The following emails were sent to NSWCA members by the NSWCA Communications Officer.
    On the 16th July an advert for the August weekender on July 31st.
    On 26th July s reminder about the August eweekender along with dates and information references to the NSW Rapid play, the Rooty Hill Open and the Coal City Open.
    On August 2nd he sent out detailed information about the Coal City Open.

    On top of all that an actual physical mailout was sent to members in late May
    advertising the June weekender, the august weekender, the State rapid, the state championship abd I think the Ryde Eastwood Open on the October long weekend.

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    Mr Bulldogs Paul S's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    I dont believe this is correct.
    e.g.
    The following emails were sent to NSWCA members by the NSWCA Communications Officer.
    On the 16th July an advert for the August weekender on July 31st.
    On 26th July s reminder about the August eweekender along with dates and information references to the NSW Rapid play, the Rooty Hill Open and the Coal City Open.
    On August 2nd he sent out detailed information about the Coal City Open.
    I never received any of these! Maybe my email address has been accidentally deleted from the NSWCA Communications Officer's "email list of NSWCA Members"? Bill, can you check on this with Lloyd Fell next time you see him?

    Another possibility is that my workplace (where my email is) had some major upgrades to its internet firewall a few months ago. Perhaps there is something in the NSWCA emails that my workplace's internet firewall does not like?

    Have other NSWCA members received emails from the NSWCA about upcoming tournaments in recent months? Or am I the "only one" to have missed out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    On top of all that an actual physical mailout was sent to members in late May
    advertising the June weekender, the august weekender, the State rapid, the state championship abd I think the Ryde Eastwood Open on the October long weekend.
    Yes, this is a good initiative that the NSWCA implemented earlier this year (in light of the fact that a lot of NSWCA members do not have email).

    What I was referring to was that I would like to see a "NSWCA Newsletter" mailed to members a few times a year (like some other states do). Such a newsletter would ideally fulfill the points touched on by Garvin, such as making people aware of who the NSWCA Office Bearers are (and perhaps include brief profiles of each Office Bearer), explain (briefly) how the ratings system works, let members know what "behind the scenes" work that the NSWCA does etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S
    Have other NSWCA members received emails from the NSWCA about upcoming tournaments in recent months? Or am I the "only one" to have missed out?
    Hi Paul, I can confirm that I received all the emails about upcoming tournaments that Bill alluded to, plus many others previously. When I decide I may want to play in a tournament and need to look up the details, however, rather than search for the email in question, I simply look at the NSWCA website and have unfailingly found the brochure in the most likely places (for pure functionality, nswca.org.au is far superior to chessvictoria.com in this respect, despite what 'doc' thinks).

    In recent months, I have also received two physical mailouts of upcoming tournaments from the NSWCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    I think this bb is a great way for people to get to know who is in charge, what they do, who runs things and to get extra knowledge from it.
    Now the question is, how do we get more real communication between the masses and the ppl in charge?
    I think the best way for people who want to get messages out to the masses generally is through the weekly newsletter. This is something we shouldn't miss chances to stress: everyone with even the tiniest interest in Australian chess should be subscribed to the newsletter (see ACF front page for details.)
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    I can also confirm that I have been receiving tourney advise emails regularly.

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    weird, i have received some of these emails too

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    Hmmm. So, people without an email address are not recieving substantially less info and promo stuff. I recall asking at a NSWCA council meeting if I could help with any future mailouts. I was told that they are too expensive to do. [$80k too expensive?]

    [Don't look for it in the minutes - little exchanges never enter the minutes, so they never happened.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    Hmmm. So, people without an email address are not recieving substantially less info and promo stuff. I recall asking at a NSWCA council meeting if I could help with any future mailouts. I was told that they are too expensive to do. [$80k too expensive?]

    [Don't look for it in the minutes - little exchanges never enter the minutes, so they never happened.]
    There was a phyiscal mailout at the start of the year that included the calendar for the whole year. Also included in that mailout were adverts for the Australia Day Weekender and the COS.

    All NSWCA events that have had emails regarding them sent out since May were also in the physical mailout that went out in May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    There was a phyiscal mailout at the start of the year that included the calendar for the whole year. Also included in that mailout were adverts for the Australia Day Weekender and the COS.

    All NSWCA events that have had emails regarding them sent out since May were also in the physical mailout that went out in May.
    I can confirm that I regularly get snail mail notifications of NSW and ACT tournaments. I usually have no need for them and bring them to my local club for the benefit of those who might miss or not receive them.
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    Yes, I receive snail mail stuff also - which is not necessary since I have email and prefer that. So as you can see, there does appear to be a duplication of costs.

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    Illuminati Bill Gletsos's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    Yes, I receive snail mail stuff also - which is not necessary since I have email and prefer that. So as you can see, there does appear to be a duplication of costs.

    AR
    I believe the decision was that everyone would receive the snail mail mailouts and that email reminders would be sent to those that had provided email addresses on their membership forms.

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    Mr Bulldogs Paul S's Avatar
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    OK, it looks like my workplace's internet firewall does not like something in the NSWCA's tournament emails (the last one I recall receiving was for the City Of Sydney).

    Anyway, in my case its no big deal, as I look at the NSWCA website about once a week, but it may be an issue for others (ie those who have a relatively secure internet firewall but rarely if ever look at the NSWCA website).

    BTW, I received the "snail mail" flyers OK!

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