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    First it was "ClimateGate", now its "CO2 Tax Fraud"

    Read on and weep:

    http://www.cphpost.dk/news/national/...co2-fraud.html

    Denmark is the centre of a comprehensive tax scam involving CO2 quotas, in which the cheats exploit a so-called ‘VAT carrousel’, reports Ekstra Bladet newspaper.

    Police and authorities in several European countries are investigating scams worth billions of kroner, which all originate in the Danish quota register. The CO2 quotas are traded in other EU countries.

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    One of the cases, which stems from the Danish register, involves fraud of more than 8 billion kroner.
    Roll up, roll up, ladies and gentlemen ... get on board the ETS express ... buy your tickets now, for only $1 ... just $1 ladies and gentlemen ... it will cure your emissions, relieve the pain of gout, just rub a little on your scalp to get rid of those little white flakes that soooooo bedevil you ... ONLY $1 ...

    Can anyone smell a financial markets scam coming? So soon after the Wall Street meltdown?

    Rudd wants to drop us right in the middle of it, and he wants you to gamble with your hard earned $$$.

    The hypocrisy is tangible. You can smell it a mile off. Politicians. Hypocrites. Liars. All of them ...

    Yesterday Rudd was saying "Delay is denial". Of course, he didn't say that direct to Obama's face, as the USA also fudged and delayed. Deniers. DENIERS!!! Burn them at the stake!

    Today Gillard bobs up and says that Labor will delay the legislation and will reintroduce it again in February.

    Hypocrites.

    Liars.

    Politicians!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Snail King
    The hypocrisy is tangible. You can smell it a mile off. Politicians. Hypocrites. Liars. All of them ...
    What is the hypocrisy in question in this case? What specific thing are they saying but also going against?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    What is the hypocrisy in question in this case? What specific thing are they saying but also going against?
    It would seem that apparently Gillard is a delayer because the Liberals voted down the ETS bill in the Senate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    What is the hypocrisy in question in this case? What specific thing are they saying but also going against?
    I think properly defined hypocrisy is simply claiming to hold beliefs or positions which one does not actually hold.

    Saying and not doing is a little problematic as a definition since one may aspire to some virtue but fall short. That is not being hypocritical, rather just failed to attain some goal. Obviously if one makes no attempt to aspire (or gives the perception to aspire without making any real attempt) then it is highly likely that is being hypocritical in the stricter sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    Saying and not doing is a little problematic as a definition since one may aspire to some virtue but fall short.
    Indeed, but that is different to giving lip service to an ideal but actively going against it or making no effort in that direction at all, which is what I understand the term to mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goughfather
    It would seem that apparently Gillard is a delayer because the Liberals voted down the ETS bill in the Senate.
    OK, if that is TSK's position then it must be premised on the idea that Labor has the alternative of potentially getting its legislation passed by forcing a double dissolution, assuming it does well enough in such an election to have the numbers in the resultant parliament.

    The latter is actually by no means guaranteed. Although Rudd is soaring in the polls and the Opposition is in a total mess, the voters can react unpredictably to early elections of any kind that have a whiff of expedience about them (for example in 1984, Hawke, soaring in the polls with approval ratings in the 70s, went to a very early election ostensibly to bring the Houses back into line and suffered a 1.5% swing.)

    A double dissolution early next year would have the effect of putting the Houses out of whack leading to an extra half-Senate election down the track, or else to a very short second term for Rudd in order to re-align. Either of these things would result in unnecessary elections. Elections cost money and are probably quite significant greenhouse gas generators in their own right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Elections cost money and are probably quite significant greenhouse gas generators in their own right.
    Almost as much as international conferences on climate change ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Snail King
    Hypocrites.

    Liars.

    Politicians!
    “No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems — of which getting elected and re-elected are number one and number two. Whatever is number three is far behind.

    “Many of the things the government does that may seem stupid are not stupid at all, from the standpoint of the elected officials or bureaucrats who do these things.” —economist Dr Thomas Sowell
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    I read that CO2 permits market is forecasted to have higher capitalisation then any commodity market.
    Is it a hot air bubble or cold air bubble?
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    MPs talk green, drive SUVs

    A staggering 225 out of the 243 private-plated cars chosen by MPs and Senators have six or eight-cylinder engines, in contrast to the national trend towards smaller, more fuel efficient models.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    MPs talk green, drive SUVs

    A staggering 225 out of the 243 private-plated cars chosen by MPs and Senators have six or eight-cylinder engines, in contrast to the national trend towards smaller, more fuel efficient models.
    It's worth pointing out that number of cylinders does not correlate very well with fuel efficiency. Many 6 cylinders are far, far more efficient than 4 cylinders. Either way, I'm sure too many of them are driving SUVs.

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    alGore shown to be a false prophet yet again, but KRudd and PWong still love him

    One of the world's leading mozzie experts Paul Reiter catches alGore on yet another inconvenient truth, this time about malaria:

    I am a scientist, not a climatologist, so I don’t dabble in climatology. My speciality is the epidemiology of mosquito-borne diseases. As the film [An Inconvenient Truth] began, I knew Mr Gore would get to mosquitoes: they’re a favourite with climate-change activists. When he got to them, it was all I feared.

    In his serious voice, Mr Gore presented a nifty animation, a band of little mosquitoes fluttering their way up the slopes of a snow-capped mountain, and he repeated the old line: Nairobi used to be ‘above the mosquito line, the limit at which mosquitoes can survive, but now…’ Those little mosquitoes kept climbing.

    The truth? Nairobi means ‘the place of cool waters’ in the Masai language. The town grew up around a camp, set up in 1899 during the construction of a railway, the famous ‘Lunatic Express’. There certainly was water there — and mosquitoes. From the start, the place was plagued with malaria, so much so that a few years later doctors tried to have the whole town moved to a healthier place. By 1927, the disease had become such a plague in the ‘White Highlands’ that £40,000 (equivalent to about £350,000 today) was earmarked for malaria control. The authorities understood the root of the problem: forest clearance had created the perfect breeding places for mosquitoes. The disease was present as high as 2,500m above sea level; the mosquitoes were observed at 3,000m. And Nairobi? 1,680m.

    ...

    In 2004, nine of us published an appeal in the Lancet: ‘Malaria and climate change: a call for accuracy’. Clearly, Mr Gore didn’t read it. In 2000, I protested when Scientific American published a major article loaded with the usual misrepresentations. And when I watched his animated mosquitoes, his snow-capped mountain was oddly familiar. It took a few moments to click: the images were virtually identical to those in the magazine. The author of the article, Dr Paul Epstein, features high in Gore’s credits.

    Dr Epstein is a member of a small band dedicated to a cause. And their work gains legitimacy, not by scholarship, but by repetition. While they publish their work in highly regarded journals, they don’t write research papers but opinion pieces and reviews, with little or no reference to the mainstream of science. The same claims, the same names; only the order of authors change. I have counted 48 separate pieces by just eight activists. They are myth-makers. And all have been lead authors and/or contributory authors of the prestigious IPCC assessment reports.
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    Al Gore faces own inconvenient truth ......

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225810599409

    AL Gore faced up to an inconvenient truth of his own yesterday when it was revealed the former US Vice-President misquoted an eminent climate scientist's work to suggest that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.

    Mr Gore stated: "These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years."

    But the climatologist whose work Mr Gore was citing has rubbished these claims, a report in The Times says.

    "It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Dr Maslowski said. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."

    Mr Gore's office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was an estimate Dr Maslowksi used several years ago in conversation with Mr Gore.

    This is the second embarrassing gaffe for Mr Gore in recent weeks. On December 4 Mr Gore was forced to cancel a 'golden handshake' speaking engagement at the conference in Copenhagen. Attendees were encouraged to part with $US1200 to meet the climate change spearhead and have their photograph taken with him.

    Mr Gore's latest error came as hacked e-mails from a British University appeared to suggest that scientists had manipulated data to bolster their argument that humans were responsible for global warming.

    Mr Gore, who became an unlikely champion of the green movement after narrating the Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, was roundly castigated for his speech by members of the climate science community.

    Professor Jim Overland, a leading oceanographer at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said: "This is an exaggeration that opens the science up to criticism from sceptics. You really don't need to exaggerate the changes in the Arctic."

    Others agreed, stating that even if quoted correctly, Dr Maslowski's six-year projection for near-ice-free conditions is an extreme prediction. Most climate scientists agree a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely.

    "Maslowski's work is very well respected, but he's a bit out on a limb," said Professor Peter Wadhams, an ocean physics specialist at the University of Cambridge.

    Dr Maslowki, an associate research professor at the US Naval Postgraduate School in California, said his latest results projected that it would take six years for 80 per cent of the ice to melt, but he expected some to remain beyond 2020.

    He added: "I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this," he said. "It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at, based on the information I provided to Al Gore's office."

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    In fairness to Gore, I didn't think that the polar ice incident had much in it. He may has just mis-remembered the conversation. However the mosquito story (ref Jono's post above) has more bite to it.
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    "Assume you are a scientist and have been given a major financial grant to prove that the mythical unicorn really did exist. You know that as long as you can demonstrate some progress in showing the unicorn might have existed, your financial grant will be renewed each year, provided some other scientist does not come out with substantial evidence that the unicorn could not have existed. Under such conditions, you would have a very strong incentive to disregard much of the evidence that the unicorn could not have existed and each year provide only the data that could demonstrate that the unicorn might have existed. You also would have a very strong incentive to attack any scientist who raised serious questions or provided evidence that the unicorn could not have existed. You even might go so far as to refer to them with the disparaging term 'unicorn deniers' and attempt to use your influence with other scientists who also are receiving grants dependent on the existence of the unicorn to try to prevent the unicorn deniers from publishing their findings in well-regarded scientific journals. The recently released e-mails (by whistleblowers or hackers, depending on your prejudice) between some of the best-known scientists behind global warming showed that they succumbed to the all-too-human tendency to protect their turfs and pocketbooks, despite the evidence." --columnist Richard W. Rahn
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    Unicorns do exist, they just developed into a species of overeaters.....we call them Rhinoceros......lol

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