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    It's OK to be a rapist and a pedophile if you are a celebrity

    Polanski arrest

    French and Polish foreign ministers, French culture minister and president, Poland president, Switzerland newspapers, some film luminaries (not mentioned in this article), The Swiss film screenwriters and directors association and others oppose Polanski arrest.

    According to the facts listed in the article (not yet disputed) he raped (not just statutory!) 13 years girl more then 30 years ago.

    I guess if it was someone else, newspapers would say that justice finally prevailed.

    I am not going to discuss whether he must be punished or not. I would just like to point out a double standard.
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    Another article on this. But double standards towards celebrities are nothing new. E.g. CEOs making millions are evil and greedy; celebrity actors, directors and sports starts making far more millions are fine, as long as they support the Left.
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    Chinatown may be in my top 20 films of all time, but if what he is reported to have done is true then he should be punished. Dog act.
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    sounds like the kind of dubious cause sean penn and susan sarandon would probably champion. (those two seem to appear more regularly in american political debate than is necessary considering the output they produce. (which is plop.))
    obviously this would be a terrific opportunity for them to employ their highly calibrated social acumen to provide the perspective to this subject only actors can communicate.

    furthermore, maybe "inciteful" documentary maker micheal moore could "educate" us, with another one of his incredibly unbiased expose' on the obvious turmoil thrust apon a well loved and respected member of the cinematic fraternity.

    surely somebody can profit from this issue.

    im thinking big budget film depicting the subhumane incarceration of one of the worlds leading artistic beacons and his valiant quest to strive for justice. (truth is strictly irrelevant, entertainment is paramount).

    im thinking exotic landscapes, sean penn as lead actor and possibly a love interest with lets say cate blanchett (to cover the couples demographic). and the rest ill just make up as i go.
    maybe ill rewrite the script for junior audiences and include a talking dog called "martin chuzzlewit" and try for a school holidays release, who knows.

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    I have read that since being arrested the victim, now 45 years old, does not want the prosecution to take place. So shows two sides of everything. I wonder if she was asked at age 13 years if so also, but her opinion then probably would not count anyway.

    i have heard of girls at that age who have had consensual sex with adults, then when the poop hit the fan, not them dobbing in either, the adult went to jail and even deathrow in the case of a overseas chess champ that I know.

    The women at 45 years would certainly know if she suffered damage, we presume she realise it.

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    AC I can assure that many wronged women do not wish to press charges for a plethora of reasons. That's not to say that many people know their own mind in these affairs - they do. But they also know when they're being pressured/ paid off/ misled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    AC I can assure that many wronged women do not wish to press charges for a plethora of reasons. That's not to say that many people know their own mind in these affairs - they do. But they also know when they're being pressured/ paid off/ misled.
    I think in this case the woman would not be pressing charges, being 13 at the time she could not have probably decided anyway, would not have been listened to. I could be outrageous and say that "it" has given her 32 years of fame - esp when the venue owner Jack Nicholas' name is thrown in.

    Is that barring material?

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    If he were Father Roman Polanski, AC would be screaming for his balls, as would all his celebutard supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    If he were Father Roman Polanski, AC would be screaming for his balls, as would all his celebutard supporters.
    Well, if he was a clergyman then the act in question would make him a hypocrite.

    There's rather more to it than Igor's title suggests. We don't know if he's a rapist since he was allowed to plea-bargain to a charge of unlawful sex with an underage person and the (more than "statutory") rape charge was dropped. We don't know if he's a pedophile - in many nations sex with a 13-year-old would be legal, and true pedophiles are typically attracted to prepubescent or very early pubescent children rather than to teenagers who might look older than they actually are. And much of the sympathy for him arises not just from his celebrity status but also from his own miserable past and from questions about whether his plea-bargain was set to be overridden by the original judge whose motives may have been suspect. However, perhaps it is only because Polanski is a celebrity that these aspects of the case receive attention.

    In my view if he really was a rapist (and then fled from a very lenient sentence under the circumstances) then lock him up and throw away the key, at least until he is too elderly and/or unwell to present the slightest threat. If, on the other hand (which I greatly doubt) the sex act in question was a willing one by both parties, then he's already been punished enough and should be left alone.

    The problem is that because of the plea bargain it will never be legally tested which of these statements is true. And this shows both the problems with allowing plea-bargains at all, and the problems with the way in which nations with high ages of consent have tended to treat all sex involving underage persons as tantamount to life-wrecking pedophilic child abuse whether it actually is the case or not.
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    The grand jury transcript makes it pretty clear, albeit sordid reading
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Well, if he was a clergyman then the act in question would make him a hypocrite.
    Of course, but no less a rapist of an underaged girl. “Hypocrisy is the compliment vice pays to virtue.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    And much of the sympathy for him arises not just from his celebrity status but also from his own miserable past and from questions about whether his plea-bargain was set to be overridden by the original judge whose motives may have been suspect.
    Or if the judge thought that the plea bargaining was giving a celebrity too much lenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    The problem is that because of the plea bargain it will never be legally tested which of these statements is true. And this shows both the problems with allowing plea-bargains at all, and the problems with the way in which nations with high ages of consent have tended to treat all sex involving underage persons as tantamount to life-wrecking pedophilic child abuse whether it actually is the case or not.
    True enough, say if the consent age is 17, and an 18yo is branded a sex offender for life for having sex with a 16yo. But not when it's an adult and a 13yo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray
    The grand jury transcript makes it pretty clear, albeit sordid reading
    http://newmatilda.com/2009/10/01/yes-hes-talented
    Yes, assuming it's all true, which I strongly suspect it is.

    But all the same, it's the testimony of a witness, and not the finding of a court after hearing both sides. Because of the plea-bargain (struck to protect the girl from the horrendous ordeal of being cross-examined in open court) we don't know what would have happened had all her claims been tested. Whatever we think, he is legally innocent of not-just-statutory rape and entitled to be treated as such by the law, no matter how much we believe him to be an outright rapist. What he is legally guilty of is having sex with a teenager. He is apparently also guilty of fleeing lawful custody.

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    True enough, say if the consent age is 17, and an 18yo is branded a sex offender for life for having sex with a 16yo. But not when it's an adult and a 13yo.
    Then why is the age of consent 13 or lower in Spain, Japan, Phillipines, Argentina, and most of Mexico, and 14 or 15 in much of Europe? There is an extraordinary degree of variation even among relatively prosperous and liberal nations in treatment of these sorts of cases, so that depending on where the behaviour in question occurs, the offence to which he pleaded guilty would get Polanski anything from no penalty at all through a slap on the wrist to a number of years in prison. Developmental differences between ethnicities might have a fair bit to do with it but I suspect the main reason for the huge variation is cultural - as it also is in drug law cases where a similar disparity is observed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    (...) Then why is the age of consent 13 or lower in Spain, Japan, Phillipines, Argentina, and most of Mexico, and 14 or 15 in much of Europe?
    a few points on this subject
    1) Can you please check the age of concent in Netherlands?
    2) Is gender (male rapists / paedophiles vs female (rapists / paedophiles) a factor in deciding severity of punishment?
    3) Is the mental condition of the rapist / paedophile a factor in deciding severity of punsishment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justaknight
    a few points on this subject
    1) Can you please check the age of concent in Netherlands?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokum
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