Moderation: questions, discussion and completely pointless whinging

[ER]

so allowing "spurious" used by your protected species, is ok huh? My nonsensical etc comments refer to the response to my comparing players depending on their potential strength and not to their performances on online events. I know you're biased against me but reaching that low level of treating people who don't take your finger pointing bullshit seriously it's simply ridiculous. I will keep on supporting financially this forum for as long as I am not barred from it because it really provides a good service to the chess related community! Your lame censorship and moderation style only serves your arrogantly exhibited egocentrism.

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[antichrist]

so allowing "spurious" used by your protected species, is ok huh? My nonsensical etc comments refer to the response to my comparing players depending on their potential strength and not to their performances on online events. I know you're biased against me but reaching that low level of treating people who don't take your finger pointing bullshit seriously it's simply ridiculous. I will keep on supporting financially this forum for as long as I am not barred from it because it really provides a good service to the chess related community! Your lame censorship and moderation style only serves your arrogantly exhibited egocentrism. [..]

I nominated this post for the Basil and Trump award of 2021. Keep up the good work. Such courage .

The views expressed in the quoted post do not necessarily reflect the views of the antichrist or his dominions.

[Kevin Bonham]

so allowing "spurious" used by your protected species, is ok huh? My nonsensical etc comments refer to the response to my comparing players depending on their potential strength and not to their performances on online events. I know you're biased against me but reaching that low level of treating people who don't take your finger pointing bullshit seriously it's simply ridiculous. I will keep on supporting financially this forum for as long as I am not barred from it because it really provides a good service to the chess related community!

I'm not biased against you; you have form and having to clean it up wastes my time so I am asking you to stop doing it, and if you don't stop I will keep deleting it and if necessary go further. Over and over again you make a point, someone disagrees with it and instead of debating the point or clarifying your original comment you go over the top. The shoutbox is a bad place for making arguments regarding the merits of world championship challengers and it is something that is always best explored on a thread. If you choose to explore it in the shoutbox and do not make your reasons for holding your positions clear then you should expect people to assume you are taking something irrelevant into account. Especially since in this case you had just been commenting on Wesley So winning an online rapid event.

Also, do not comment about moderation in the shoutbox. The only place for commenting about moderation is in the Help and Feedback section. Nobody is above this requirement whether they financially support the forum or not.

PS: The Moderation Rules and Decisions thread has always been closed.

[ER]

Especially since in this case you had just been commenting on Wesley So winning an online rapid event.

Which of course did not mean I implied that he should be included in the Candidates whose line - up has already been decided and the relevant tournament is already half way through - due to his success in the Opera Rapid - something which was pointed out and got crudely deleted!

I will keep on supporting financially this forum for as long as I am not barred from it because it really provides a good service to the chess related community!

I should correct the above to read: I will keep supporting financially this forum even if I am barred because etc as above.

As for the rest you have censored my original particularly the terms of endearment I used (*) to describe the honourable elite of this forum to the point of missing the point completely.
What's worse you made me sound nice and pleasant.

(*) I hope the bastards (Don also used this expression) saw the original which I have kept and can mail it to them privately if they so wish and ask politely for it

[Desmond]

...The shoutbox is a bad place for making arguments regarding the merits of world championship challengers and it is something that is always best explored on a thread. If you choose to explore it in the shoutbox and do not make your reasons for holding your positions clear then you should expect people to assume you are taking something irrelevant into account. Especially since in this case you had just been commenting on Wesley So winning an online rapid event. ...

Furthermore when ER specifically derides So's classical ability with:

Not sure if his [So's] classical chess ability is good enough to establish him as a serious contender...

If ER was specifically not referring to So's classical ability or his online rapid success, then what logically can he have been referring to?

[Kevin Bonham]

Which of course did not mean I implied that he should be included in the Candidates whose line - up has already been decided and the relevant tournament is already half way through - due to his success in the Opera Rapid - something which was pointed out and got crudely deleted!

Because of a software glitch I can currently only delete shouts - I would like to be able to edit them but currently that option isn't available to me.

As for the rest you have censored my original particularly the terms of endearment I used (*) to describe the honourable elite of this forum to the point of missing the point completely.

I am thinking of blocking one of those terms of endearment as it is the sort of language we are trying to keep a lid on here. However I will only do so if there is a way to do it without disadvantaging those users who might want to write such words as parsed, Arsenal, arsenic, coarser, sparse, rehearse etc.

[Capablanca-Fan]

A new guy started the thread Chess coach in General Chess Chat, but probably belongs in Coaching Clinic for those that might want it later.

[ER]

Additionally, and regarding to So's deserving to be in a candidates line-up or not and according to what I posted, one objective observer should be able to distinguish between his ability to be considered as a serious contender and his just being a part of a (and not this) Candidates tournament . I pointed out at least twice that my referring to this situation IS NOT about the present Candidates tournament. One has to be extremely biased and completely out of context by referring to this claim as "spurious" and even worse you describing my indignant but justified reaction to such nonsense as "trolling" ending up deleting it. (I accept your not having access to mod the shoutbox and as such removing the whole shout). However, you left untouched the wonton and completely uncalled for reaction to my initial post which did not offend anyone and had no intention to do so.

Of course his performance in the Opera Rapid was referred to as an indication of his good form but NOT as factor/criterium of inclusion / invitation to the Candidates or any serious tournament.
Remember when the ex WC Garry Kasparov made a one off comeback to play in that 2017 St. Louis Rapid and Blitz tournament? We all went wild about the news and applauded for a couple of his successes! Despite wild speculation about him resuming his career in classical chess, there wasn't a simple chance of him doing so. However, some theoretical questions were raised as his real ability and potential placement in the world's say 100 if he did. We have discussed stuff like that about Karpov, Fischer, Alekhine and so on and so forth from time time. Interesting indeed but nothing more than just a chat.

To conclude once and for all about So. The reality is that at this very moment he is 9th in the world with a classical rating of 2770. He is not in the Candidates!
Wan Hao and Kirill Akekseenko, 2763 - 13th and 2696 - 39th in the world list respectively, are in the Candidates! I stick to my initial point regardless! The future will prove me right or wrong.

[Kevin Bonham]

Additionally, and regarding to So's deserving to be in a candidates line-up or not and according to what I posted, one objective observer should be able to distinguish between his ability to be considered as a serious contender and his just being a part of a (and not this) Candidates tournament . I pointed out at least twice that my referring to this situation IS NOT about the present Candidates tournament.

Yes but you did not point that out before the reactions from two posters that you were responding to. They saw you talking about So winning a rapid then suddenly saying a few hours after that it's a shame for the US So isn't in the Candidates, then asserting that Firoujza "definitely deserved a place in the Candidates." Firoujza was not in the world top 20 and had never been in the top 20 at the time the Candidates field was set. (He has still never been in the top 15.) So it would not have looked like you were arguing that only the strongest players deserve a place in the Candidates, and since you hadn't explained why both So and Firoujza did, and since you had downplayed So's classical strength in the process, you left it wide open to the interpretation that you were cheerleading for particular players for irrelevant reasons.

I agree that one could argue that a player is strong enough to deserve to be in the Candidates on strength despite not being strong enough to be a serious contender for winning the Candidates - and this is consistent with a common criticism of the inclusion of players through such methods as wild cards, World Cup etc - but in this case one would not be arguing Firoujza deserved to be in as well.

[Desmond]

Additionally, and regarding to So's deserving to be in a candidates line-up or not and according to what I posted, one objective observer should be able to distinguish between his ability to be considered as a serious contender and his just being a part of a (and not this) Candidates tournament .
...The future will prove me right or wrong.

Of course we do not need to wait for the future to find out if So will take part in a candidates tournament, since he already has been part of one in 2018. Once again, ER's attempt to justify spurious argument by continue to keep digging does him no good.

[Kevin Bonham]

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[ER]

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awesome stuff! keep up the good work!