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    G M Foods

    No i'm not talking about Grandmaster Foods , but genetically modified foods (you know that which your media informs you so well on).
    Foods( like soy and maize products ) little researched that we are eating now!


    Highly recommended book on the subject:

    Seeds of Destruction

    The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation

    by F. William Engdahl

    Global Research





    What is so frightening about Engdahl's vision of the world is that it is so real. Although our civilization has been built on humanistic ideals, in this new age of "free markets", everything-- science, commerce, agriculture and even seeds-- have become weapons in the hands of a few global corporation barons and their political fellow travelers. To achieve world domination, they no longer rely on bayonet-wielding soldiers. All they need is to control food production. (Dr. Arpad Pusztai, biochemist, formerly of the Rowett Research Institute Institute, Scotland)

    If you want to learn about the socio-political agenda --why biotech corporations insist on spreading GMO seeds around the World-- you should read this carefully researched book. You will learn how these corporations want to achieve control over all mankind, and why we must resist... (Marijan Jost, Professor of Genetics, Krizevci, Croatia)

    The book reads like a murder mystery of an incredible dimension, in which four giant Anglo-American agribusiness conglomerates have no hesitation to use GMO to gain control over our very means of subsistence... (Anton Moser, Professor of Biotechnology, Graz, Austria).
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14570
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    Why The Secrecy ?

    GM crops being grown in Britain
    Genetically-modified crops are being grown in Britain for the first time in a year after controversial trials of the plants were "secretly" restarted

    Cultivation of a field of potatoes designed to be resistant to pests were abandoned over a year ago when environmental protesters ripped up the crop

    But, without alerting the public as is usual when such trials begin, the project has been restarted, prompting environmental groups to warn that local farms and nearby residents could be put at risk.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agr...n-Britain.html

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    Why the secrecy?

    Um, this quote from your link might offer a clue:-

    Almost all of the 54 GM crop trials which have been conducted since 2000 have been targeted by opponents and vandalised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes
    Why the secrecy?

    Um, this quote from your link might offer a clue:-



    Glad to have helped!
    ok , now you are ready for question2 : why were almost all of the 54 GM crop trials which have been conducted since 2000 been targeted by opponents and vandalised ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    ok , now you are ready for question2 : why were almost all of the 54 GM crop trials which have been conducted since 2000 been targeted by opponents and vandalised ?
    Because irrespective of whether GM foods are safe or not safe, misinformed ludites thinking that they are catastrophically unsafe will rip them up anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Because irrespective of whether GM foods are safe or not safe, misinformed ludites thinking that they are catastrophically unsafe will rip them up anyway.
    misinformed as in F. William Engdahl ?

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    OK, I assume Question 2 is multiple choice.
    Something like:

    A) A number of thoughtful, intelligent, informed people take time out from their busy schedules to save the world in this way from the evils of GM crops.

    B) Some kooks, luddites, conspiracy theorists and professional protesters with nothing to do and their dole cheques to spend have GM crops as one of their pushbutton issues.

    I guess (B). Am I right?
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    Ignorance, lack of education, and fear mongering would be my guess as to the reasoning behind the attacks.
    "On my chess set, all the pawns are Hamburglers" ~ Homer Simpson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes
    OK, I assume Question 2 is multiple choice.
    Something like:

    A) A number of thoughtful, intelligent, informed people take time out from their busy schedules to save the world in this way from the evils of GM crops.

    B) Some kooks, luddites, conspiracy theorists and professional protesters with nothing to do and their dole cheques to spend have GM crops as one of their pushbutton issues.

    I guess (B). Am I right?
    NO
    Start reading the book, above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee
    Ignorance, lack of education, and fear mongering would be my guess as to the reasoning behind the attacks.
    No doubt many , fed by the corporate news media will elicit that programmed response , totally uninformed of both sides of the argument .
    Read the above book , so as to gain a more informed perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    misinformed as in F. William Engdahl ?
    Does F. William Engdahl (whose only scientific degree is in engineering) rip up GM crops?

    Incidentally Engdahl certainly either was or is misinformed about oil (I'm no expert but my money is on both) since he has switched from being a peak oil hysteric to being an abiogenic oil nut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Does F. William Engdahl (whose only scientific degree is in engineering) rip up GM crops?
    no but his readers understandably might

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Incidentally Engdahl certainly either was or is misinformed about oil (I'm no expert but my money is on both) since he has switched from being a peak oil hysteric to being an abiogenesis nut.
    as RW opined , trust the evidence not the source .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    as RW opined , trust the evidence not the source .
    Well, you're suggesting this book is worth reading. But if I wanted to read a useful book about GM food issues I would read one written by a qualified geneticist who had considered all sides of the argument. I'm not even going to waste my time opening one by an ex-engineer with a known track record of jumping from one extreme theory of the state of the earth's oil reserves to another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Well, you're suggesting this book is worth reading. But if I wanted to read a useful book about GM food issues I would read one written by a qualified geneticist who had considered all sides of the argument. I'm not even going to waste my time opening one by an ex-engineer with a known track record of jumping from one extreme theory of the state of the earth's oil reserves to another.
    i'm sorry , you must be better informed on the subject than these people


    What is so frightening about Engdahl's vision of the world is that it is so real. Although our civilization has been built on humanistic ideals, in this new age of "free markets", everything-- science, commerce, agriculture and even seeds-- have become weapons in the hands of a few global corporation barons and their political fellow travelers. To achieve world domination, they no longer rely on bayonet-wielding soldiers. All they need is to control food production. (Dr. Arpad Pusztai, biochemist, formerly of the Rowett Research Institute Institute, Scotland)

    If you want to learn about the socio-political agenda --why biotech corporations insist on spreading GMO seeds around the World-- you should read this carefully researched book. You will learn how these corporations want to achieve control over all mankind, and why we must resist... (Marijan Jost, Professor of Genetics, Krizevci, Croatia)

    The book reads like a murder mystery of an incredible dimension, in which four giant Anglo-American agribusiness conglomerates have no hesitation to use GMO to gain control over our very means of subsistence... (Anton Moser, Professor of Biotechnology, Graz, Austria).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    i'm sorry , you must be better informed on the subject than these people
    Well I looked for the full source for the Moser quote and couldn't even find the full review, so given your long track record for presenting material quote-mined out of context I'm ignoring that one unless you can link to the full text of Moser's original review.

    According to this favourable source Jost's book was launched by local Greens and Jost is a "famous anti GM expert". I don't dispute his qualifications but am unsure of his neutrality. Of course, not being neutral doesn't necessarily mean he was wrong, but I would prefer to start with a neutral source.

    Would you buy a book that argued the case for GM crops and was written by a qualified employee of Monsanto?
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