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    I am excited that the juniors are being held in one of Australia's most beautiful states.
    I just have a query that has been a constant bugbear with me and many parents of juniors (especially young ones)
    If a huge International tournament and IM's and GM's can handle two games on a single day...why is this not possible for a junior tournament?
    As has been lamented before, the cost of 12 days or more is prohibitive for many people, inhibiting the number of entrants.
    The excuse in the past has been that the coaches need time to coach...
    I have never seen this to be the case except for some coaches that over reach. The other excuse I did hear was that the coaches neeed some free time to unwind etc...
    Can some one enlighten me?

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    I can't agree more.
    If someone would care to do a voting amongst the parents, I bet 90% would go for two games a day - at least that is my perception after having personal discussions with other parents. Apart from the costs - a typical Australian has 4 weeks of annual leave a year, and the Juniors are not the only important tournament in a calendar year.

    Personally we decided for that reason not to attend in Adelaide this year - the decision would have been different if two games per day would have been played.

    But unfortunately I am quite sure nothing will change with regards to that - as you say there are always the same couple of excuses to have only one game a day...

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    I have to ask ...for whom is the torunament being run?
    I agree over the past 5 years or more I have only met one mother of a junior who thinks on game is a preferred option (sorry I think maybe two, now I think on it)

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    compare the two

    Quote Originally Posted by Mischa
    I have to ask ...for whom is the torunament being run?
    I agree over the past 5 years or more I have only met one mother of a junior who thinks on game is a preferred option (sorry I think maybe two, now I think on it)
    Compare this with the Victorian Junior where the under twelve is played over two days followed by the under 18 played over four days with some players playing in both.

    Both have more than one round a day. The juniors thrive on more than one round a day. They even play vast amounts of blitz and transfer between rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidflude
    Compare this with the Victorian Junior where the under twelve is played over two days followed by the under 18 played over four days with some players playing in both.
    David, you are absolutely right in pointing that out! I appreciate the way in which the Vic Juniors are run.
    For most of the kids it is quite boring to have only one game a day - I can for sure say that for my son. If you watch the younger kids, a game hardly takes ever longer than 90 minutes. In addition the games are scheduled in the middle of the day - which prevents one from making decent use of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joergw
    For most of the kids it is quite boring to have only one game a day - I can for sure say that for my son. If you watch the younger kids, a game hardly takes ever longer than 90 minutes. In addition the games are scheduled in the middle of the day - which prevents one from making decent use of the day.
    Maybe it is boring for the younger kids, but I find one game a day to be a great schedule. For us older kids, each game can go on for hours and be very draining, and the rest of the day gives us time to recuperate, then the next morning or later that night we have lots of time to prepare for our next opponent, which is useful if your coach is coaching more than one person.
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    Older kids are usually pretty good at preparing themselves and often don't need the post game debrief with a coach, having done so with their opponent.

    I also agree that by having the game in the middle of the day is one of the most annoying practices.
    I am sure that the players in the SIO and Doerberl had time to prepare...if not then they are all playing under the same conditions so on a level playing field.
    What is the longest game played in an Aus junior?
    Miranda I would look closely at a coach who can't fit in coaching for two games over 12 hour period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mischa
    I just have a query that has been a constant bugbear with me and many parents of juniors (especially young ones)
    If a huge International tournament and IM's and GM's can handle two games on a single day...why is this not possible for a junior tournament? As has been lamented before, the cost of 12 days or more is prohibitive for many people, inhibiting the number of entrants.
    I agree. The Australian Junior Championships should be shortened. One round a day is just too slow!!

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    Probably the only way to get that topic being addressed and driven forward is to have a proper voting. Otherwise only a very few individuals (including me ) express their personal opinion here , but it won't lead anywhere.

    I remember that some time ago there was a voting process about a constitution using the AusJCL mailing list. Would that be a potential approach to come to a clear picture what the majority of parents and kids really want? Who could decide/drive such an approach?

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    adelaide was very good but a bit long ,too many days some of those days could be better spent at sea world,anyway as kids get older games get longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby1972
    adelaide was very good but a bit long ,too many days some of those days could be better spent at sea world,anyway as kids get older games get longer.
    To my knowledge organizers haven't been too happy about the number of participants in Adelaide.
    Our son hasn't been the only one not to attend due to the almost two weeks which the tournament ran. I know other parents who came to the same decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby1972
    adelaide was very good but a bit long ,too many days some of those days could be better spent at sea world,anyway as kids get older games get longer.
    yeah, would be better if the tourney was shorter, 2 games a day would be great
    then u could spend the extra days (almost a week) touring the state

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    A compromise could be to have two rounds on some days early on as at this year's Australian Open (among others). The catch would be that with relatively small fields the top two contenders could still be matched early on in the late round after having a relatively short break to recover, have a meal and prepare. (Or worse, when one of them has).

    I have a recollection that this subject was debated at length in the past (and I would be amazed if it hasn't), perhaps if anyone knows where then it could be linked to avoid retracing old ground. In any case it's been decided for 2010 so it would be more useful to start lobbying for 2011.

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    The decision to have one round a day on most days comes from the Australian Junior Chess League so I suggest that any concerns about it be taken up with them for future years; we are too far advanced in organisation to shorten the schedule now even in the unlikely case that the AusJCL wanted to! Basically the AusJCL were willing to accept the single double-up of rounds 2 and 3 (relatively early in the tournament when the fields are still sorting themselves out) but were not willing to accept a second double-up of 5 and 6 (I can understand that as these are crunch rounds that are often very important to the final standings).

    I'm very well aware of this ongoing debate about the Aus Junior format - as it stands it is intermediate between an elite event and a mass-participation event and I know the AusJCL, now that it has control over the conditions, will consider which way this goes over the next few years.

    I'm also very well aware that the length of the tournament in terms of time and cost is a big issue for practically every parent - what I can say is that we will be offering accommodation at what we consider to be a very reasonable per-night rate to try to keep these costs down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joergw
    I can't agree more.
    If someone would care to do a voting amongst the parents, I bet 90% would go for two games a day - at least that is my perception after having personal discussions with other parents. Apart from the costs - a typical Australian has 4 weeks of annual leave a year, and the Juniors are not the only important tournament in a calendar year.

    Personally we decided for that reason not to attend in Adelaide this year - the decision would have been different if two games per day would have been played.

    But unfortunately I am quite sure nothing will change with regards to that - as you say there are always the same couple of excuses to have only one game a day...

    Joerg
    I understand that the AusJCL (Australian Junior Chess League) is looking at the format of future Australian Junior Championships and did ask the parents etc at the last one for their views on the matter. The results of that survey and decisions about future Championships should be in place for the 2011 event though, as I am not a member of the AusJCL Council, I can't give definitive information on that.

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