View Poll Results: How many Opposition Leaders will it take to defeat Labor?

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    5 18.52%
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    How many leaders will the Coalition need?

    Another crystal ball thread - this one asks how many different Leaders of the Opposition will be required before the Coalition (or LNP should it go down that path) wins an election?

    By way of background:

    * Coalition under Lyons/Menzies/Fadden had two (Scullin, Curtin)
    * Labor under Curtin/Chifley had two (Fadden, Menzies)
    * Coalition under Menzies/Holt/Gorton/McMahon had four (Chifley, Evatt, Calwell, Whitlam)
    * Labor under Whitlam had two (Snedden, Fraser)
    * Coalition under Fraser had three (Whitlam, Hayden, Hawke)
    * Labor under Hawke/Keating had four (Peacock twice, Howard twice, Downer, Hewson)
    * Coalition under Howard had four (Beazley twice, Crean, Latham, Rudd)
    * Rudd has had two already (Nelson, Turnbull)

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    Impossible to say at the moment as there is absolutely no electable talent in the entire party, IMHO. Turnbull ticks all the right boxes for me when it comes to Liberal leaders (socially progressive and a supporter of free markets) but I think that he gives the impression of being a bit of a bumbler and a know-all bumbler at that. Combine that with the fact that he's just not likeable and the Australian electorate has understandably and unequivocally rejected him.

    But who else is there? Costello is a possibility but I doubt that the electorate would warm to him. Abbott is a fruitcake. Most of the other high profile Libs have suffered from personality bypasses. The Australian electorate has indicated that it likes people possessed of a marketable, "understandable" persona (Hawke the larrikin, Howard the honest, staunch conservative, Rudd the nerd) and I honestly believe that this is why the best
    (in my view) Liberal leader ever managed to lose the unloseable election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles
    and I honestly believe that this is why the best
    (in my view) Liberal leader ever managed to lose the unloseable election.
    There is no cure for leftism. Its infestation of the host mostly diminishes with age except in the most rabid of specimens.

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    Mephisto Blues!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mephisto
    Turnbull ticks all the right boxes for me (...) but I think that he gives the impression of being a bit of a bumbler and a know-all bumbler at that. Combine that with the fact that he's just not likeable and the Australian electorate has understandably and unequivocally rejected him.
    lol beat that as a political leader's burial if you can Howie!
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    Abbott is a fruitcake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justaknight
    lol beat that as a political leader's burial if you can Howie!
    I disagree with the underlying premise of the assessments - as I have mentioned elsewhere but didn't want to clog the thread. The short story is that the present western sentiment is one of no friction - at all costs. Even the must-fight Afghanistan situation is receiving undue and ongoing questioning, such is the weak stomach of the electorate.

    And to this end, absolutely no one in a western incumbent party (of the Iraq era) is going to get a go. I don't think it's accurate to say that Turnbull is not likeable or similar. What is accurate is that people have their time and their seasons.

    Rudd knew all about this while he was hanging back waiting for the other Labor leaders to present themselves as canon fodder in opposition and he would have gone the same way had he gone early IMO. Had Rudd been number 2 failed canon fodder for instance, the history books would had him pegged a nerd that the electorate would never have elected. Kevin who?

    And in the same fashion, no one regardless of looks, talent, wife or any other story is going to get a look against the so-called 'progressives' (Rudd and Obama). Incidentally that term is another monstrously laughable trick as the Left specialises in invoking 100 year old ideology and presenting it as fresh think every time. This time the electorate is sucking furiously at that teat. And good luck to it.

    The likes of Beazley and the talent in his era must be stupefied (and possibly furious) that personality and clue-free planks such as Gillard and Swan can not only have achieved what they failed to do, but with such a resounding majority!!
    There is no cure for leftism. Its infestation of the host mostly diminishes with age except in the most rabid of specimens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie
    (...) What is accurate is that people have their time and their seasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howie
    Left specialises in invoking 100 year old ideology and presenting it as fresh think every time.
    I think Denis refuted this in another thread!
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    personality and clue-free planks such as Gillard and Swan
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    Quote Originally Posted by justaknight
    I think Denis refuted this in another thread!
    May I just clarify something? When it comes to politics, Denis has refuted nothing. Ever. Anywhere. JK.

    I believe he mentioned that if I and others believed socialism was merely 100 years old, then we had better start boning up. To which I was going to say that if Socialism had been failing for even longer than I thought then more fool the socialists!

    That O'Rourke thread is awash with oblique and wet rejoinders that have nothing to do with the comic clown's hat squarely plonked on the heads of leftists, regardless of whether the premise was supported at the time or not (which isn't necessary as the evidence supporting O'Rourke's so-called sub par offering has been in play for a long time).
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    When you've finished, Howard, you might care to wipe the foam from your mouth. It is most unbecoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles
    Impossible to say at the moment as there is absolutely no electable talent in the entire party, IMHO.
    They said the same about Howard didnt they?
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    They said the same about Howard didnt they?
    And about Reagan. Carter was overjoyed when Reagan became the candidate, thinking there would be a landslide. Well, there was … just like when the Oracle told King Croesus of Lydia was told that if he attacked King Cyrus of Medo-Persia, a great kingdom would be destroyed
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles
    Impossible to say at the moment as there is absolutely no electable talent in the entire party, IMHO. Turnbull ticks all the right boxes for me when it comes to Liberal leaders (socially progressive and a supporter of free markets)
    A very rare beast though. In America, various pundits are urging the GOP to become like that, but then look at who supported the anti–free-market Obamov/Dem porkulus — the three most socially leftist progressive RINOs! And I just don't trust the socially progressive free market supporters to have the moral fibre to maintain their support. Look at Arnie, who even gave a powerful introduction to Milton Friedman's revised Free to Choose TV video series, was a personal friend of Friedman, and sent the series to all his friends for Christmas. Yet just a little time in government, and he's bowed to the very sort of Dem big tax&spend policies he excoriated at the RNC.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    A very rare beast though. In America, various pundits are urging the GOP to become like that,
    If it is possible then why not? Is an authoritarian, illiberal government to be somehow preferred to a socially and economically liberal one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles
    When you've finished, Howard, you might care to wipe the foam from your mouth. It is most unbecoming.
    And when you have finished, you may care to look up 'hypocrite'; it's most unbecoming and considerably worse than foaming.

    What you have there my friend is an unsupported insult, which you and a handful of other backslappers attempted to pull (all over yourselves), as sub par I believe was the phrase, in the O'Rourke thread. Now please move along and stop tripping over your shoelaces, while isn't unbecoming isn't own right, it is somewhat bumbling (a la Turnbull?).
    Last edited by Basil; 29-04-2009 at 11:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    What you have there my friend is an unsupported insult,
    It is an insult, I'll grant you, but I can dig out plenty of support for it should you really wish me to.

    One thing that does not appear to have sunk in for you is that vehement expression of a viewpoint does not make that viewpoint any more valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles
    It is an insult, I'll grant you, but I can dig out plenty of support for it should you really wish me to.
    You're guilty then. Guilty of insults which to have previously sought to put yourself above. Now piss off.

    As for available but not cited proof, that was exacty what was implied in O'Rourke's piece. So you can piss off again and stop wasting bandwidth in both threads, gving the erroneous impression that you have a leg to stand on in either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles
    One thing that does not appear to have sunk in for you is that vehement expression of a viewpoint does not make that viewpoint any more valid.
    Rubbish. It is true I enjoy my vehemence from time to time. But at no stage do I believe it enahnces my position and at no stage have I suggested so. Now piss off and take your triple dribble with you.
    Last edited by Basil; 29-04-2009 at 12:24 PM.
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