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Publicist
28-03-2009, 10:59 AM
Full details of this important CV tournament are now available on the CV website http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com Go the relevant pages via 09 CV tournaments where you will find details with entry fees, prizes and entry forms

Publicist
10-06-2009, 08:38 AM
With the Vic OPen Championship out of the way, we can now concentrate on the Vic Junior championships starting at the end of June The under 12 entries so far can be found here
http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_under_12_entries.htm
The under 18 page is right next door

Publicist
15-06-2009, 03:11 PM
After the very successful June Rookies Cup Sunday tournment Entries are now coming in. Here is the link to the CV web site entry page:
http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_under_12_entries.htm

Publicist
17-06-2009, 05:27 PM
The CV web site has had a further update with entries coming along nicely
The link is on the previous post

Davidflude
19-06-2009, 06:52 PM
Will the top boards be shown live on the DGT boards.

Publicist
22-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Both the under 12 and the under 18 tournaments have been updated with entries up to 22.6.09. The link remains the same

Publicist
26-06-2009, 03:28 PM
This is the final call for entries for the Under 12, under 10, and under 8 Vic Junior Championships. Entries close at 9.30 at the venue at 3 Rochester Road Canterbury. We hope to see many there

Publicist
27-06-2009, 10:14 PM
The results for round 3 of the under 12 section of the Vic Junior championships can be found here:
http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_undser_12_results.htm

Davidflude
28-06-2009, 12:09 PM
look at the photos at the following link

http://gallery.me.com/raelenez#100062

Grant Szuveges
28-06-2009, 10:03 PM
I got a phone call this evening with some great news - Melbourne Chess Club junior Ari Dale is now the Victorian Under 12 Chess Champion!

I first met Ari and his family approximately 6 months ago and was impressed with Ari's approach to his chess. Like new IM James Morris, Ari does not tolerate mediocraty and displays great passion and a fierce will to win.

Ari is coached by Nick Speck on Saturday mornings at the Melbourne Chess Club and he plays in the MCC Saturday afternoon allegro most weeks, where he consistantly scores 50% (often more) against fields containing strong adults. (See MCC Allegro thread for details). Ari has taken points off seriously strong adults and is seen as a dangerous threat by the players who tend to win these tournaments. I enjoy watching Ari's games as he plays solidly yet aggressively and has a balanced, mature approach to his chess. He has already reached a level which many players have not reached despite playing the game for 30 years.

As well as being a good chess player, Ari displays general leadership, and helps the younger MCC kids with their chess between rounds. He also takes an interest in the running of the tournament (Swiss pairings, rating prizes etc).

Many MCC players have mentioned to me that they are impressed with Ari's chess, but just as many have also told me that they are equally impressed with his manners, attitude and sportsmanship.

Congratulations Ari. You have made your family and your chess club extremely proud, and we (the Melbourne Chess Club) are confident that your improvement will continue, and that this first success will be one of many throughout your chess career. We wish you the absolute best for your chess career and are confident that you will get the absolute most out of yourself in both your chess and life in general.

Grant Szuveges, Melbourne Chess Club President

Publicist
28-06-2009, 10:42 PM
Full results of the Under 12 section of the Vic Junior championships are now available on the CV web site http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_undser_12_results.htm Details of trophies and prizes will have to wait until tomorrow

Kevin Bonham
28-06-2009, 11:37 PM
Was there a countback for U12 or did the three-way tie stand?

Malfegor01
28-06-2009, 11:37 PM
I got a phone call this evening with some great news - Melbourne Chess Club junior Ari Dale is now the Victorian Under 12 Chess Champion!
Congratulations also to Joshua Devarajh, Kyle Gibson and Anurag Sannidhanam who all tied with Ari for equal first on 6/7

Malfegor01
28-06-2009, 11:39 PM
Was there a countback for U12 or did the three-way tie stand?
Countback as detailed on the CV website.
(Provisional results !)
1st Ari
2nd Kyle
3rd Anurag

Joshua 1st U10

ER
29-06-2009, 12:07 AM
Countback as detailed on the CV website.
(Provisional results !)
1st Ari
2nd Kyle
3rd Anurag

Joshua 1st U10

congratulations to Ari and his family too. it looks like there was a fierce competionion since I have great respect for both Kyle who always was and still is one of my favourite junior players and of course Anurag my friend and comrade at BHCC /CJCC! Good on you boys!

Kevin Bonham
29-06-2009, 12:08 AM
Impressive result for the U10 winner to beat a player as strong as Anurag Sannidhanam and have the consistency to only lose one game.

Mischa
29-06-2009, 12:44 AM
these juniors just keep getting better

Duff McKagan
29-06-2009, 12:53 AM
these juniors just keep getting better

Nick Speck's a pretty awesome player, and from what I've heard he also makes a great coach.

Lekko
29-06-2009, 10:46 AM
Wow congrats Ari! That's quite the accomplishment!

Bill Gletsos
29-06-2009, 08:16 PM
U18 Round 2 results

1 Bobby Cheng 2130 [1] 1:0 Anurag Sannidhanam 1516 [1]
2 Jonathan Tang 1291 [1] 0:1 Jason Tang 1838 [1]
3 Yilun Ding 1801 [1] 1:0 Joshua Ng 1321 [1]
4 Kyle Gibson 1222 [1] 0:1 Isaac Ng 1669 [1]
5 Simon Karumbi 1601 [1] 0:1 Vinay Lakshman 1236 [1]
6 Peter Wallmueller 1201 [1] 1:0 Frank Lekkas 1601 [1]
7 Gene Lai 1599 [1] 1:0 Deniz Tuncer 1185 [1]
8 Nathan Hibberd 1111 [1] 0:1 Nicholas Liu 1583 [1]
9 Thomas Feng 1524 [1] 1:0 David Yuan 535 [1]
10 David Cannon 357 [1] 0:1 Adam Hayman 1078 [0]
11 Anthony Harris 1501 [0] 1:0 Nivedita Anguswamy 661 [0]
12 Savithri Narenthran 546 [0] .5:.5 David Toper 1209 [0]
13 Zachary Loh 1068 [0] 1:0 Harley Kemmelfield 501 [0]
14 Mendel Castle-Kirszbaum 501 [0] 1:0 Michael Tanner 1033 [0]
15 Daniel Yuan 954 [0] 1:0 Charlotte Dilnutt 360 [0]
16 Euan Reid 401 [0] 0:1 Manoj Anguswamy 828 [0]
17 Michael Addamo 810 [0] 1:0 Janaki Narenthran 320 [0]
18 Stephanie Gu 303 [0] .5:.5 Ollie Xue 701 [0]
19 Joshua Devarajh 673 [0] 1:0 Karl Zelesco 301 [0]

Bill Gletsos
29-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Round 3

1 Nicholas Liu 1583 [2] : Bobby Cheng 2130 [2]
2 Jason Tang 1838 [2] : Gene Lai 1599 [2]
3 Vinay Lakshman 1236 [2] : Yilun Ding 1801 [2]
4 Isaac Ng 1669 [2] : Thomas Feng 1524 [2]
5 Simon Karumbi 1601 [1] : Peter Wallmueller 1201 [2]
6 Frank Lekkas 1601 [1] : Zachary Loh 1068 [1]
7 Anurag Sannidhanam 1516 [1] : Daniel Yuan 954 [1]
8 Adam Hayman 1078 [1] : Anthony Harris 1501 [1]
9 Joshua Ng 1321 [1] : Michael Addamo 810 [1]
10 Manoj Anguswamy 828 [1] : Jonathan Tang 1291 [1]
11 Joshua Devarajh 673 [1] : Kyle Gibson 1222 [1]
12 Deniz Tuncer 1185 [1] : David Cannon 357 [1]
13 David Yuan 535 [1] : Nathan Hibberd 1111 [1]
14 David Toper 1209 [.5] : Mendel Castle-Kirszbaum 501 [1]
15 Ollie Xue 701 [.5] : Savithri Narenthran 546 [.5]
16 Michael Tanner 1033 [0] : Stephanie Gu 303 [.5]
17 Nivedita Anguswamy 661 [0] : Euan Reid 401 [0]
18 Harley Kemmelfield 501 [0] : Janaki Narenthran 320 [0]
19 Karl Zelesco 301 [0] : BYE
20 Charlotte Dilnutt 360 [0] : BYE

Kevin Bonham
30-06-2009, 12:43 AM
Round 2 is a good example of the principle that juniors (and/or their ratings) are inconsistent - 4/19 for the underdogs across large rating differences.

Publicist
30-06-2009, 01:24 AM
Round 1 and 2 results for the under 18 tournament are now up on the CV web site. Follow the Link
http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_under_18_results.htm
The prize and trophy winners for the under 12 tournament are also up on the u12 results page

MichaelBaron
30-06-2009, 01:57 AM
I think in the light of recent successes by James and Bobby, the younger kids are feeling greater excitement about breaking into the higher ranks of chess players.

ER
30-06-2009, 04:03 AM
I think in the light of recent successes by James and Bobby, the younger kids are feeling greater excitement about breaking into the higher ranks of chess players.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Indeed! that's the case as I witnessed last night at BHCC/CJCC! The youngsters have their own heroes and idols from their own age groups!

ER
30-06-2009, 04:43 AM
Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! To all kids!:clap:
I am expecting fierce comebacks by (alphabetical order)Adam, Anurag, Deniz, Kyle, Simon, Zac, today. Isaac vs Thomas and Simon vs Peter amongst others, the games to be watched.
I am impressed with the juniors manners as well as their friendly and thorough analysis after the game.:clap:
An indication of how serious they are, there was almost no transfer chess last night!
I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them!
Congratulations once again to Gerry and Trevor for being present wherever they are needed offering their services!:clap:

Davidflude
30-06-2009, 11:20 AM
Great performances by Vinay, Peter and Stephanie last night! Fludey kept on finding wins for her in the analysis room, however, in my opinion, the draw isn't that bad! To all kids!:clap:


What I like about Stephanie's game is that in the critical position she took at least fifteen minutes. The position was very very tricky.

Davidflude
30-06-2009, 11:23 AM
Jason is playing a line from one of the Dangerous Weapons books that has not yet been published. Guess who downloaded the preview chapter from the net and mentioned the idea to Jason.

WhiteElephant
30-06-2009, 11:49 AM
I wish James, Eugene, Laurence, Chris and Sally (sorry if I missed anyone) were playing. The tournament is great but not as strong without them!

Yep, unfortunately there are quite a few other top juniors also not playing. I think it's very prestigious to be state junior champion, wish the kids would see it that way too :)

I'll be coming in shortly, see you guys there.

ER
30-06-2009, 05:56 PM
Hi George,
I received a very important message from Ascaro Pecori about this situation. I have to study it carefuly and I might ask him for an interview on this particular subject!

Kai
30-06-2009, 06:29 PM
Yep, unfortunately there are quite a few other top juniors also not playing. I think it's very prestigious to be state junior champion, wish the kids would see it that way too :)

I'll be coming in shortly, see you guys there.

Without taking any credit away from the new U-12 Victorian champion, the top 4 Victorian U-12 players, rated 2130, 1965, 1778 and 1669 were not playing for various reasons. I know one parent who is fond of telling others her daughter was the Victorian girl's champion...however, a perusal of the results showed that winning one game was sufficient for this title. It does question how prestigious these titles become as a result and what is best done about this?

WhiteElephant
30-06-2009, 07:01 PM
Hi George,
I received a very important message from Ascaro Pecori about this situation. I have to study it carefuly and I might ask him for an interview on this particular subject!

Looking forward to the interview.

Over the weekend there was one game where Ascaro's son was playing one of my students and we were both watching the game. The game was a bit of a shocker from both sides and was swinging one way then another. Ascaro was sweating it out and so was I....pretty funny actually. I think it's more stressful watching your students than actually playing! :D

ER
30-06-2009, 07:10 PM
Ascaro was sweating it out and so was I....pretty funny actually. I think it's more stressful watching your students than actually playing! :D
Wish I were there!!! :lol:


Without taking any credit away from the new U-12 Victorian champion, the top 4 Victorian U-12 players, rated 2130, 1965, 1778 and 1669 were not playing for various reasons. I know one parent who is fond of telling others her daughter was the Victorian girl's champion...however, a perusal of the results showed that winning one game was sufficient for this title. It does question how prestigious these titles become as a result and what is best done about this?
a very interesting and profound post!

WhiteElephant
30-06-2009, 07:11 PM
Without taking any credit away from the new U-12 Victorian champion, the top 4 Victorian U-12 players, rated 2130, 1965, 1778 and 1669 were not playing for various reasons. I know one parent who is fond of telling others her daughter was the Victorian girl's champion...however, a perusal of the results showed that winning one game was sufficient for this title. It does question how prestigious these titles become as a result and what is best done about this?

There was an Interschool Chess competition at Balwyn High a couple of weeks ago at which Leonid and I were arbiters and the standard was much higher than the Vic U/18s. This was a Zonal qualifier, not even a final. The players included Chris Wallis, Eugene Schon, Nicholas Liu Derek Yu, Zhigen Lin, the Daltons, Jason Tang, Bobby Cheng and so on.

I guess there are many reasons for some of the strong juniors not playing - studying for exams, don't want to give up holidays, saving their time for strong adult tourneys like the Zonal. Still the number of notable absences is significant and I don't know what the solution is. When I was a junior, I used to look forward to the Vic Juniors months in advance.

PS This is in no way intended as a criticism of the organisers....maybe just a shift in priorities of high school kids due to school pressure?

Kai
30-06-2009, 07:29 PM
There was an Interschool Chess competition at Balwyn High a couple of weeks ago at which Leonid and I were arbiters and the standard was much higher than the Vic U/18s. This was a Zonal qualifier, not even a final. The players included Chris Wallis, Eugene Schon, Nicholas Liu Derek Yu, Zhigen Lin, the Daltons, Jason Tang, Bobby Cheng and so on.

I guess there are many reasons for the strong juniors not playing - studying for exams, don't want to give up holidays, saving their time for strong adult tourneys like the Zonal. Still the number of notable absences is significant and I don't know what the solution is. When I was a junior, I used to look forward to the Vic Juniors months in advance.

WE, You are right.

My son had a non-negotiable commitment which precluded him from both the U-12 and U-18. Otherwise, he would have been a reasonably strong contender in both. But whatever the reasons for all the others, there is a problem where it becomes a "vicious circle" whereby the top players drop out because the tournament is weak ...the tournament then becomes weaker, and then more players drop out....and then everyone starts thinking, well it's such a weak field that even if I win it, it doesn't mean much.

This is all very much a pity, but if the perception sets in that the title doesn't mean as much as it should, then the top juniors will no longer be attracted.

The new U-12 Vic champion deserves the title because he participated. The top Vic U-12 juniors did not deserve the title because they did not play. But.......does anyone seriously believe that the new champion is the best U-12 chessplayer in Victoria capable of beating 2130, 1965, 1778 and 1669? The title should mean this, but in this case?

I have no idea what the solution is either...:confused: !!!

Basil
30-06-2009, 07:35 PM
My approach to all titles, be it with/ without Kasparov, McEnroe, Ferrari, Lady Godiva, is that the title is a most worthy achievement. One can only play what is in front of you. The trophy goes on the mantle. The name goes in the record books. The mealy-mouths claim can x,y and z ... and they can claim it to the grave, but I'll always commend the bloke that won the gong even if three or four superheroes couldn't quite make it to dinner.

Carry on!

Kai
30-06-2009, 08:11 PM
My approach to all titles, be it with/ without Kasparov, McEnroe, Ferrari, Lady Godiva, is that the title is a most worthy achievement. One can only play what is in front of you. The trophy goes on the mantle. The name goes in the record books. That the mealy-mouths claim x,y and z ... and they can claim it to the grave, but I'll always commend the bloke that won the gong even if three or four super heroes couldn't quite make it to dinner.

Carry on!

I agree, hence my comment that the U-12 title was deserved, and none of the others deserved it. Well done Ari Dale.

The issue is what effect non-participation by the top juniors has on the prestige of such titles, because the implication is that it no longer equates to being the "best junior" in Victoria. When you have the odd missing participant, then the prestige is unaffected. For instance, the Vic U-18 is missing Australia's latest IM, but a massive absence like this year's does have a significant impact on the perception of this title's status.

When you have a situation where you can win a state title by winning just one game as I mentioned earlier (in fact, the title would have been won even if that player had LOST all her games), it raises questions.

Publicist
30-06-2009, 08:50 PM
After 5 rounds two very strong juniors are leading the tournament. See the results via this link http://chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_under_18_results.htm

Kevin Bonham
30-06-2009, 08:51 PM
When you have a situation where you can win a state title by winning just one game as I mentioned earlier (in fact, the title would have been won even if that player had LOST all her games), it raises questions.

That one is easily resolved - don't award the title when there is only one eligible entrant. This is what the TCA does with the Tasmanian Womens and Seniors titles which are awarded based on scores in the Tasmanian Championship (a 7-round swiss) - must be at least two eligible entrants before the title is awarded.

Beyond that it is difficult to see how to resolve the vicious cycle that you mention with strong players not competing therefore other strong players don't compete (etc) - also a problem with Australian Junior titles which tend (in recent years) to attract the strong juniors but not the super-strong juniors. Scheduling is obviously a factor but for the strongest players it may be tough to avoid a clash whenever you have it.

bobby1972
30-06-2009, 08:56 PM
the new under 12 champion is very strong he smashed me in the rookies cup at bhcc a few months back :)

WhiteElephant
30-06-2009, 09:18 PM
The new U-12 Vic champion deserves the title because he participated. The top Vic U-12 juniors did not deserve the title because they did not play.

Exactly right. If you don't show up, you don't go down in the history books. Those who have turned up to compete should be commended. Incidentally the super strong tournament I mentioned at Balwyn High happened to be won by Jason Tang who is currently =1st in the U/18s!


But.......does anyone seriously believe that the new champion is the best U-12 chessplayer in Victoria capable of beating 2130, 1965, 1778 and 1669? The title should mean this, but in this case?


Whoever wins the title deserves to call themselves Victorian Champion. I believe a similar thing about the World Champs....it is up to both sides to get organised and lock in a date. If one side cannot do that then they should lose the World Champion Title by default.

AzureBlue
30-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Incidentally the super strong tournament I mentioned at Balwyn High happened to be won by Jason Tang who is currently =1st in the U/18s! :clap:
Where can I find the results for the Balwyn Interschools? It's not on the CV website yet...

WhiteElephant
30-06-2009, 10:00 PM
:clap:
Where can I find the results for the Balwyn Interschools? It's not on the CV website yet...

Leonid has the SP files but it was 1st Scotch, 2nd Balwyn, 3rd Brighton Grammar. Don't remember all the individual scores, you can ask Leonid for more info.

TrueBeliever
01-07-2009, 04:43 AM
When you have a situation where you can win a state title by winning just one game as I mentioned earlier (in fact, the title would have been won even if that player had LOST all her games), it raises questions.
I presume this refers to Anna Sing, the under 8 winner from last year There were 4 under 8 girls playing that year. She won the title on count back Three of them had one point. Anna knows how the pieces work. She knows how to write her moves down. She does not make silly mistakes in time trouble. In fact she does not get into time trouble. She is well behaved. It is not surprising that her mother is proud of her achievements. So elmo what do you expect Bobby Fischer?
This year there were 3 under 8 girls. The winner is Phoebe Fan. She has 3points. What apllies to Anna also applies to Phoebe. her parents are also proud of her achievement
Anna Sing played in the U10 She has 3 points.

ER
01-07-2009, 08:40 AM
My approach to all titles, (...) is that the title is a most worthy achievement. One can only play what is in front of you. The trophy goes on the mantle. The name goes in the record books. The mealy-mouths claim can x,y and z ... (...)
of course when it has to do with football (ie Man Un triumphs) the tune changes to...

Berg, all you do is post post clips (which I don't click) and say 'look at the scoreboard' (like Bill!). You don't don't seem to address the issues (like we have to)
Which forces me to agree with Howie's first statement here:

While you keep on addressing issues, we count titles and trophies!Fantastic vid clips thanks Berg!
:owned: :whistle: :lol: :P

Kai
01-07-2009, 10:15 AM
I presume this refers to Anna Sing, the under 8 winner from last year There were 4 under 8 girls playing that year. She won the title on count back Three of them had one point. Anna knows how the pieces work. She knows how to write her moves down. She does not make silly mistakes in time trouble. In fact she does not get into time trouble. She is well behaved. It is not surprising that her mother is proud of her achievements. So elmo what do you expect Bobby Fischer?
This year there were 3 under 8 girls. The winner is Phoebe Fan. She has 3points. What apllies to Anna also applies to Phoebe. her parents are also proud of her achievement
Anna Sing played in the U10 She has 3 points.

No, I was not. Don't even know who Anna Sing is. I am not going to reveal who or which year I am talking about.

But the point is that girl is still entitled to the Vic Champion title, and deserves it. I am not questioning this at all. I would be proud too if I was her parent.

I am merely questioning the status of the title in circumstances if it can be won by winning one game or none.

I am not questioning the achievement of any winner.

WhiteElephant
01-07-2009, 10:49 AM
I don't think that the absence of juniors in one year will devalue the title in the long run. Every year is a new ball game.

Carl Gorka
01-07-2009, 12:40 PM
Wow, congrats to Ari Dale Vic U-12 Champion 2009:clap:

Publicist
01-07-2009, 08:47 PM
The results, the cross table, and the preliminary draw for round 8 can now be found here: http://www.chessvictoria.netfirms.com/09_under_18_results.htm

MichaelBaron
02-07-2009, 02:49 PM
Looking forward to the interview.
. I think it's more stressful watching your students than actually playing! :D

This is so true!

Mischa
02-07-2009, 11:22 PM
Congratulations JASON!!!!!

frankablanca
02-07-2009, 11:22 PM
well there are quite a few younger ones, Bobby Cheng, Isaac Ng to name a couple... plus there's Jason Tang, Nicholas.. sure the field isn't as strong as other years... but the standard of play was still strong!! in the final round, I ended up beating Bobby Cheng to deny him of the U18 title(although he still got U16 title) anyway,

Congratulations to Jason for the title!! Thoroughly deserved :)

Well done Fenguin for the outstanding win over Bobby. This just shows you can take on any top rated junior players.

Mischa
02-07-2009, 11:23 PM
Is Bobby listed as Aus or NZ?

frankablanca
02-07-2009, 11:26 PM
Is Bobby listed as Aus or NZ?

Bobby is listed as Aus now.

C.Antolis
02-07-2009, 11:31 PM
go jason!!:clap:

WhiteElephant
03-07-2009, 02:59 AM
go jason!!:clap:

Hey Cedric, when are you making a comeback? :D

ER
03-07-2009, 05:59 AM
Hey Cedric, when are you making a comeback? :D
I received a message from Cedric last night that school requirements kept him away from Chess and the Chess Chat all this time.
That was in response to an invitation for an interview when he won the U18 Championship in Adelaide.
I can only anticipate, (this has to be confirmed) that the Champion will defend his title in Tasmania!

AzureBlue
03-07-2009, 08:44 AM
CONGRATS JASON! :) :clap: :clap:

bobby1972
03-07-2009, 09:29 AM
another gem there michael ,she`ll be right mate:)

Grant Szuveges
03-07-2009, 10:42 AM
But.......does anyone seriously believe that the new champion is the best U-12 chessplayer in Victoria capable of beating 2130, 1965, 1778 and 1669? The title should mean this, but in this case?



The under 12 champion is definately capable of beating players with these sorts of ratings! In the MCC allegro tournaments, Ari has a rating of 1574, which gets adjusted every week. He has maintained a rating of between 1500 and 1650 for his 57 games which he has played. The ratings used are based on peoples ACF ratings (their starting rating) and are adjusted with the old (pre-glicko) ACF rating system. His rating of 1574 is not inflated or deflated and to put it into perspective, 8 of the 15 juniors with MCC allegro ratings, have ratings below 1000. At the other end of the scale, several players are rated over 2100 with 2 over 2200 (Baron and Rujevic).

In these allegros, Ari has maintained his rating and beaten and drawn with players above him. He drew with Chris Kolak (1879 allegro) and beat Ascaro Pecori (2000 approx) in the Box Hill allegro and drew with Carl Gorka (2000 approx) in the MCC Ballroom Blitz. He also very rarely drops points against players with lower ratings than him. Despite many lowly rated players bringing his average down, he has maintained his allegro rating for 57 games... I am not suprised at all that he won the Vic under 12s...

Grant Szuveges
03-07-2009, 10:45 AM
apologies about the format of the quote in my last post, Im not sure how to actually put the quote in properly (Im new at this)

Rincewind
03-07-2009, 10:53 AM
apologies about the format of the quote in my last post, Im not sure how to actually put the quote in properly (Im new at this)

Hi Grant. When quoting it is easiest to just press the Quote button at the bottom of the post. If you like you can press the quote icon at the top of the advanced editor (it looks like a little speech bubble from a comic). If you really want to do it old-school then all vBulletin tags are enclosed in square brackets and the ending tag is the same as the opening tag except it has a forward slash after the square bracket. In the case of quotes...

<QUOTE=User>
...
</QUOTE>

Except replace the angled brackets with square brackets. If the Username contains a space then it ought to be enclosed in double quotes.

I hope this helps.

C.Antolis
03-07-2009, 11:27 AM
Hey Cedric, when are you making a comeback? :D
after i finish doing vce hopefully:)


I can only anticipate, (this has to be confirmed) that the Champion will defend his title in Tasmania! unfortunately i won't be playing in next years juniors :(

I dont know whether ari dale could beat other u/12s 1900+ at a consistent rate, but will be able to do so very soon, as he is constantly improving ! (Nick speck is training him really well).
i reckon he should be able to beat u/12s rated 1778 and 1669 with a bit of concentration during the games!

ER
03-07-2009, 02:03 PM
I am taking this opportunity to state that Ari, received a thunderous applause while receiving his trophy yesterday. :clap: Additionally CV V/P Leonid Sandler made some very nice remarks about MCC and Ari's Coach Mr Speck.:clap:
Enthusiastic atmosphere for all other juniors as well, and congratulations to parents for their presence and help throughout the tournament!
I was only caught offside twice by the very strict Arbiter Marcus Raine. Once for approaching the playing tables too much overstepping the line and once for making too much noise... I was cautioned together with CV V/P Sandler who has a very loud voice too!!! Marcus is one of my best Chess friends, but when it comes to enforcing the rules, friendship comes second! :clap: in this case Leonid and myself were very lucky to just be shown the door untill we finished our conversation!
Some more details later!

SHump
03-07-2009, 02:13 PM
On the topic of juniors being able to beat higher rated players, then if I can borrow a term from another industry, but anyone under 25 must have a rating that also comes 'with a bullet' alongside it. Wiring the brain for anything is best done when young.

In my personal case, and for probably most over 50, then the correct term could be 'with saddle bags' in terms of ratings achievements?!

But I want to, in my personal case, ignore all of these sweeping generalisations: I have had 37 years away from OTB chess, so my chess brain is, according to me, a sprightly 16 yold, nothing like my chronological age - so that is where I hang my hope. My 10 year plan (everyone needs an ambition!) is to be the person that achieved an IM or GM at the oldest age!

I just need to stop donning this rabbit suit before I sit down at a chess board, that would be a bonus/good first step!

MichaelBaron
03-07-2009, 03:46 PM
On the topic of juniors being able to beat higher rated players, then if I can borrow a term from another industry, but anyone under 25 must have a rating that also comes 'with a bullet' alongside it. Wiring the brain for anything is best done when young.

In my personal case, and for probably most over 50, then the correct term could be 'with saddle bags' in terms of ratings achievements?!

But I want to, in my personal case, ignore all of these sweeping generalisations: I have had 37 years away from OTB chess, so my chess brain is, according to me, a sprightly 16 yold, nothing like my chronological age - so that is where I hang my hope. My 10 year plan (everyone needs an ambition!) is to be the person that achieved an IM or GM at the oldest age!

I just need to stop donning this rabbit suit before I sit down at a chess board, that would be a bonus/good first step!

With chess - age is never an issue! you can become a GM at any age - sky is the limit!

Oepty
03-07-2009, 03:52 PM
On the topic of juniors being able to beat higher rated players, then if I can borrow a term from another industry, but anyone under 25 must have a rating that also comes 'with a bullet' alongside it. Wiring the brain for anything is best done when young.

In my personal case, and for probably most over 50, then the correct term could be 'with saddle bags' in terms of ratings achievements?!

But I want to, in my personal case, ignore all of these sweeping generalisations: I have had 37 years away from OTB chess, so my chess brain is, according to me, a sprightly 16 yold, nothing like my chronological age - so that is where I hang my hope. My 10 year plan (everyone needs an ambition!) is to be the person that achieved an IM or GM at the oldest age!

I just need to stop donning this rabbit suit before I sit down at a chess board, that would be a bonus/good first step!

Target becoming the first Australian to win the World Seniors for which the GM title is award. GM Scott has quite a nice ring to it.
Scott

SHump
03-07-2009, 04:54 PM
World seniors eh - hmm perhaps playing the old fogies may be the best bet ;-) Like with like, after all. I am reading a book of 112 best games, and occasionally they refer to a ladies versus veterans annual tournament. Perhaps that is also a possibility....

And yes Scott Colliver - we can both be GM Scott.. BeamMeUp Scottie!

Davidflude
03-07-2009, 07:35 PM
World seniors eh - hmm perhaps playing the old fogies may be the best bet ;-) Like with like, after all. I am reading a book of 112 best games, and occasionally they refer to a ladies versus veterans annual tournament. Perhaps that is also a possibility....

And yes Scott Colliver - we can both be GM Scott.. BeamMeUp Scottie!

You should consider playing the ICCF Seniors World Cup. Be warned these veteran correspondence players are very very good.

Mischa
03-07-2009, 09:42 PM
LOL ..Just realised
as the top performng victorian, does this mean james gets to be the Chess Victorian player of the month?
Way to go!!!

kjenhager
03-07-2009, 09:42 PM
LOL ..Just realised
as the top performng victorian, does this mean james gets to be the Chess Victorian player of the month?
Way to go!!!
most likely

Mischa
03-07-2009, 10:10 PM
sweet

Kevin Bonham
04-07-2009, 03:08 PM
As suggested by Fenguin and Leonid Sandler, the general discussion about Chinese and Asian successes in chess and the cause of these successes has found a new home over here:

http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=10326

Denis_Jessop
04-07-2009, 04:39 PM
On the topic of juniors being able to beat higher rated players, then if I can borrow a term from another industry, but anyone under 25 must have a rating that also comes 'with a bullet' alongside it. Wiring the brain for anything is best done when young.

In my personal case, and for probably most over 50, then the correct term could be 'with saddle bags' in terms of ratings achievements?!

But I want to, in my personal case, ignore all of these sweeping generalisations: I have had 37 years away from OTB chess, so my chess brain is, according to me, a sprightly 16 yold, nothing like my chronological age - so that is where I hang my hope. My 10 year plan (everyone needs an ambition!) is to be the person that achieved an IM or GM at the oldest age!

I just need to stop donning this rabbit suit before I sit down at a chess board, that would be a bonus/good first step!

There was a guy in Victoria whan I was there in the early 1960s who didn't begin to play competitive chess until he was in his 50s and before long he was of Victorian Championship standard (and the Championship fields were strong in those days: Ozols, Hamilton, Basta, Hanks et al).

DJ