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Dougy
14-02-2009, 02:37 PM
Croydon Chess - The Khalifman
April 4-5, 2009

Five round Swiss system. Games will be governed by the FIDE laws of chess and will be ACF rated. A 2009 Yulgilbar-Think Big Australian Chess Grand Prix class 1 event.

Prizes:
$ 150 first place, $ 100 second place, $ 50 third place
$ 75 first under 1600 rating (donated by International Master Guy West)
$ 50 first junior under 1400 rating (donated by FIDE Trainer N. Y. Wong)
$ 50 first junior under 1200 rating (donated by FIDE Trainer N. Y. Wong)
Maximum one prize per entrant. Prizes to be shared equally in the event of a tie.

Entry fees:
$ 30 Standard entry
$ 20 Junior entry
$ 15 Croydon CC members
$ 0 FIDE titled players

Times:
Saturday 4th:
Round 1: 11.00am
Round 2: 3.00pm
Round 3: 7.00pm

Sunday 5th:
Round 4: 11.00am
Round 5: 3.00pm

Time controls: Each player has 75 minutes initially with an additional 30 seconds per move.
Venue: Croydon RSL, 1 Civic Sq, Croydon. About 400m from Croydon station. Melways: 50 - J4, UBD: 260 - G5.

How to enter: Contact Douglas Stones on 0413 423 659 or email douglas.stones@croydonchess.com
Payment due on the first day of the tournament.

Dougy
14-02-2009, 04:37 PM
Here's a copy of the brochure.

Dougy
21-02-2009, 08:18 AM
Current list of entries (although it's pretty early days):


No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. Stones, Douglas VIC 1787
2. Weller, Tony QLD 1755
3. Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1439
4. Cross, Jamie VIC 1399
5. Yung, Jamie VIC 1348
6. Watson, Jean VIC 1263
7. Wills, Steven L VIC 1160
8. Yung, Pearl VIC

Dougy
11-03-2009, 05:00 PM
Three and a half weeks to go! Update on the list:


No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. West, Guy VIC 2288
2. Stones, Douglas VIC 1787
3. Weller, Tony QLD 1755
4. Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1439
5. Cross, Jamie VIC 1399
6. Yung, Jamie VIC 1348
7. Watson, Jean VIC 1263
8. Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222
9. Hetrel, Daniel VIC 1211
10. Gibson, Kyle VIC 1207
11. Wills, Steven L VIC 1160
12. Yung, Pearl VIC


I'm pleased to announce IM Guy West is added to the list of entries. Just a reminder, free entry for FIDE titled players.

Watto
11-03-2009, 09:38 PM
I'm pleased to announce IM Guy West is added to the list of entries. Just a reminder, free entry for FIDE titled players.
I think in Guy's case the 11 am start helps... :)

Looking forward to it.

Dougy
12-03-2009, 06:39 AM
On that topic, daylight savings ends (http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_details.php?id=7052) on Sunday 5th at 3am. That is between rounds 3 and 4. We will need to wind our clocks back, so we will "gain an hour" between rounds.

Dougy
16-03-2009, 07:55 AM
Entry list update:


No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. West, Guy VIC 2288
2. Birchall, Ian VIC 1862
3. Stones, Douglas VIC 1787
4. Weller, Tony QLD 1755
5. Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1439
6. Cross, Jamie VIC 1399
7. Yung, Jamie VIC 1348
8. Watson, Jean VIC 1263
9. Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222
10. Hetrel, Daniel VIC 1211
11. Gibson, Kyle VIC 1207
12. Wills, Steven L VIC 1160
13. Wong, Joseph VIC 1036
14. Humphreys, Scott
15. Yung, Pearl VIC

Dougy
18-03-2009, 08:20 PM
Entry list update:


No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. West, Guy VIC 2298
2. Birchall, Ian VIC 1862
3. Stones, Douglas VIC 1787
4. Weller, Tony QLD 1716
5. Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1429
6. Cross, Jamie VIC 1399
7. Chong, Reginald VIC 1381
8. Yung, Jamie VIC 1348
9. Watson, Jean VIC 1330
10. Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222
11. Hetrel, Daniel VIC 1211
12. Wills, Steven L VIC 1160
13. Gibson, Kyle VIC 1157
14. Wong, Joseph VIC 1019
15. Lim, Ethan 998
16. Lim, Denise VIC 762
17. Fan, Enoch VIC 759
18. Humphreys, Scott
19. Yung, Pearl VIC

Saragossa
23-03-2009, 04:40 PM
We booked the flights and everything to jump over while they were still cheap but I don't think we've sent in the entry forms yet.

Tony Dowden
23-03-2009, 08:25 PM
We booked the flights and everything to jump over while they were still cheap but I don't think we've sent in the entry forms yet.

Good luck: a liitle known truism is that Tassie ratings are worth 100-200 more points on the Mainland ;)

Two points to bear in mind though: (1) Beware of well-disguised heffalumps: Mainland juniors aged between 10-14 often seem to be 200-400 points stronger than their ratings :eek: and (2) try and avoid playing like a drain - like the last two times I played when on the Mainland :wall: :(

Saragossa
23-03-2009, 08:49 PM
Good luck: a liitle known truism is that Tassie ratings are worth 100-200 more points on the Mainland ;)

Two points to bear in mind though: (1) Beware of well-disguised heffalumps: Mainland juniors aged between 10-14 often seem to be 200-400 points stronger than their ratings :eek: and (2) try and avoid playing like a drain - like the last two times I played when on the Mainland :wall: :(

Thanks Tony, I'll be sure to keep these things in mind and reserve all my drain-like playing ability for the upcoming rapids ;)

Watto
23-03-2009, 11:45 PM
We booked the flights and everything to jump over while they were still cheap but I don't think we've sent in the entry forms yet.
Excellent! Looking forward to seeing you there.

Desmond
24-03-2009, 12:35 PM
Good luck: a liitle known truism is that Tassie ratings are worth 100-200 more points on the Mainland ;)

Two points to bear in mind though: (1) Beware of well-disguised heffalumps: Mainland juniors aged between 10-14 often seem to be 200-400 points stronger than their ratings :eek: and (2) try and avoid playing like a drain - like the last two times I played when on the Mainland :wall: :(What does "playing like a drain" mean?

Tony Dowden
24-03-2009, 03:05 PM
What does "playing like a drain" mean?
'Play like a drain' means, in (my) Kiwi vernacular, to play really, really badly :(

Dougy
24-03-2009, 04:12 PM
We booked the flights and everything to jump over while they were still cheap but I don't think we've sent in the entry forms yet.

That's great! Would you be able to either PM or email me your names so I can add you to the list of entries. There is no entry form.

shelldrake
26-03-2009, 07:27 PM
I'm probably going to be a no show for this one. Depends on how my studies are going. I'll probably drop in for a chat though.

Saragossa
26-03-2009, 07:44 PM
That's great! Would you be able to either PM or email me your names so I can add you to the list of entries. There is no entry form.

I will it's just I'm out of contact with my brother until this weekend so I will post them to you as soon as I confirm that he is playing.

Dougy
27-03-2009, 09:46 AM
Okay then. Thanks. (:

Dougy
28-03-2009, 10:31 AM
Updated list:


No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. West, Guy VIC 2298
2. Birchall, Ian VIC 1862
3. Stones, Douglas VIC 1787
4. Bretag, Marcus TAS 1749
5. Weller, Tony QLD 1716
6. Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1429
7. Bretag, Lawrence TAS 1408
8. Cross, Jamie VIC 1399
9. Oswald, Franz VIC 1385
10. Chong, Reginald VIC 1381
11. Yung, Jamie VIC 1348
12. Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222
13. Hetrel, Daniel VIC 1211
14. Gibson, Kyle VIC 1157
15. Wong, Joseph VIC 1019
16. Lim, Ethan 998
17. Lim, Denise VIC 762
18. Fan, Enoch VIC 759
19. Ding, Bill
20. Humphreys, Scott
21. Matthews, Rodney
22. Yung, Pearl VIC

Dougy
02-04-2009, 09:58 PM
Updated list. I'm afraid that Guy West has unfortunately pulled out due to numerous other commitments. Only two days to go.


No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. Birchall, Ian VIC 1862
2. Stones, Douglas VIC 1787
3. Bretag, Marcus TAS 1749
4. Weller, Tony QLD 1716
5. Davies, Stephen P VIC 1533
6. Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1429
7. Bretag, Lawrence TAS 1408
8. Cross, Jamie VIC 1399
9. Oswald, Franz VIC 1385
10. Chong, Reginald VIC 1381
11. Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222
12. Hetrel, Daniel VIC 1211
13. Gibson, Kyle VIC 1157
14. Wong, Joseph VIC 1019
15. Lim, Ethan 998
16. Lim, Denise VIC 762
17. Fan, Enoch VIC 759
18. Ding, Bill
19. Humphreys, Scott
20. Matthews, Rodney
21. Yung, Pearl VIC
22. Yung, Cameron VIC

Dougy
04-04-2009, 06:25 AM
Current entry list (I still expect a few people just to show up on the day):


No Name Feder Rtg Loc

1. Birchall, Ian VIC 1862
2. Stones, Douglas VIC 1787
3. Bretag, Marcus TAS 1749
4. Weller, Tony QLD 1716
5. Davies, Stephen P VIC 1533
6. Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1429
7. Bretag, Lawrence TAS 1408
8. Cross, Jamie VIC 1399
9. Oswald, Franz VIC 1385
10. Chong, Reginald VIC 1381
11. Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222
12. Hetrel, Daniel VIC 1211
13. Gibson, Kyle VIC 1157
14. Manawadu, Dmithri VIC 1032
15. Wong, Joseph VIC 1019
16. Lim, Ethan 998
17. Hayman, Adam VIC 967
18. Manawadu, Pasan VIC 933
19. Lim, Denise VIC 762
20. Fan, Enoch VIC 759
21. Ding, Bill
22. Humphreys, Scott
23. Jayasekera, Arun VIC
24. Matthews, Rodney
25. Yung, Pearl VIC
26. Yung, Cameron VIC


It starts soon! Good luck all!

ER
04-04-2009, 06:31 AM
Dougy, it's only 7.30 am :)

Dougy
04-04-2009, 06:40 AM
I have a lot broader sense of "soon" than some others (: Eg. I said to my wife "It's nearly eleven o'clock" when it was twenty to eleven.

Anyway, I have to go in a few minutes and help set up.

ER
04-04-2009, 06:43 AM
I have a lot broader sense of "soon" than some others (: Eg. I said to my wife "It's nearly eleven o'clock" when it was twenty to eleven.

Anyway, I have to go in a few minutes and help set up.

Good luck to all, especially to our visitors from Tassie! :)

Watto
04-04-2009, 03:00 PM
The second round is now underway with a field of just over 30 players.

Our non-playing arbiter is N.Y. Wong. He would have been favourite to win if he had played I think but isn't too keen on 3 rounds a day!

Tony Davis (1894) is top seed. Marcel Rothlisberger (1827) also entered today and is either 2nd or 3rd seed. Davis drew in the first round with Kyle Gibson, one of a number of upsets. Manny Chua was unseated by his young (unrated?) opponent too, whose name I didn't properly catch.
I'll be interested to see how the unrated Scott Humphreys goes as he beat Jake Kostrzewa in the first round. I notice that Humphreys won the Eltham H.S. Bushfire Charity event and has also entered the Doeberl so he may be a bit of a dark horse. There might be a few in this tournament I think...

I was very happy to see that JAK is one of the entrants too. Only moments after I had offered to play a late arriving junior to save him from getting the bye, JAK turned up which was great!

No doubt Dougy will post fuller results later.

Kaitlin
04-04-2009, 04:12 PM
Sounds more fun than Doebrel .. as in not so scarey I mean

eclectic
04-04-2009, 04:25 PM
but it would be easier for you to do a sneaky incognito turn up at the doebrel ;)

Dougy
04-04-2009, 07:40 PM
No doubt Dougy will post fuller results later.

Not tonight I'm afraid, I'm already at home after a quick third round game. See you all tomorrow.

ER
04-04-2009, 09:16 PM
Just back home from my first ever playing day at the Croydon Chess Club.
A few notes in point form:
A lovely company of people working together have created a family Chess Club, their fine efforts appreciated by all players who have visited the Club and played there!
A bit far from the inner Melbourne Suburbs, however easily accessible by train and even more so if you go there by car!
Comfortable playing facilities, nice large tables, scoresheets and pens provided at your table!
Shopping Centre just a stone's throw from the venue, pizza shop rocks (thanks for the tip Jake :) ;) ) interesting reject shop, also a grouse collection of rare (music and film) DVSs at the adjoined newsagency.
Now to chess: Jean and Guy were there, and arriving (surprise, surprise) late, I only had the chance to say hello to Kyle and his dad. The talented junior caused a first round sensation, as Jean pointed out already, drawing with Tony Davis.
Lunch time and time for introductions with the Tasmanian contingent. First I met the ex Tassie Champion Marcel Rothlisberger. He looks in fine form and won his first two games.
Now to the entries you were all waiting for: The Bretag Brothers, Marcus and Lawrence (our very own Saragossa) appeared and won everyone's respect with their great manners and friendly attitude. They resemble rock stars (Very much like a junior version of Nirvana, only better looking)! - Girls sorry you missed out today, you have the whole day tomorrow (Sunday)to come down and meet the boys and introduce yourselves! :)
Lawrence got me with a beauty in Round 2, :clap: :clap: :clap: I am sure he will publish the game here at some stage, if he doesn't I will! :)
I won my third round game early, i have 2/3 now, my next report will be tomorrow after the end of the tournament!
Again thanks Croydon for the great opportunity to be a part of you!!!

Watto
04-04-2009, 09:40 PM
Not tonight I'm afraid, I'm already at home after a quick third round game. See you all tomorrow.
Okay, I also left early to get some dinner so I don't know the results for round 3 but when I left ... on 2/2 were Marcel Roshlisberger and Tony Weller on board 1, also on 2/2 Lawrence Breytag vs Dougy Stones on board 2 and Tony Davis vs Scott Humphreys on board 3.

Tony Davis looked to be getting on top of Humphreys' slightly passive French when we left and was probably about to castle queenside and throw his kingside pawns up (that observation courtesy of Guy.)

Marcus Bretag was playing 6 year old Ethan Lim (U8 junior champion, one of NY Wong's students) on board 6 having lost to Scott Humphreys in round 2 (I have since discovered that Humphreys is an active correspondence player.) Ethan Lim's position looked better for a while, then roughly equal, maybe slightly worse, when we left (sorry for the rather vague description :)).

On 1.5 points, Richard Goldsmith, having beaten Kyle Gibson in round 2, was playing Ian Birchall on board 4. Ian drew with Reginald Chong in round 2 (Reg seems to be making a habit of drawing with Ian!)

Dougy was playing Lawrence Bretag when we left and seemed to have much the better of the black side of a Tarrasch. It was about to get very tactical when I had to leave. Guy and Alex Davidovic (IM from Adelaide) both thought black should be winning...

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 06:16 AM
I popped in yesterday for about 5 minutes, to drop off a letter for Richard Goldsmith, but had to leave straight away as I was taking the wife to the hairdresser (!). But I will try to stop by again today, and I may even bring my laptop and post some live commentary if I get the chance. Depends what activities Tracey has planned for me! ;)

Dougy
05-04-2009, 07:44 AM
Dougy was playing Lawrence Bretag when we left and seemed to have much the better of the black side of a Tarrasch. It was about to get very tactical when I had to leave. Guy and Alex Davidovic (IM from Adelaide) both thought black should be winning...

We reached an imbalanced late middle-game which, after analysing, seemed easier for me but not straight-forward to win. Unfortunately, there was a slip-up and the game ended in one move.

Dougy
05-04-2009, 07:48 AM
I popped in yesterday for about 5 minutes, to drop off a letter for Richard Goldsmith, but had to leave straight away as I was taking the wife to the hairdresser (!). But I will try to stop by again today, and I may even bring my laptop and post some live commentary if I get the chance. Depends what activities Tracey has planned for me! ;)

Haha! Missed you then. Hopefully you guys can pop in for the prize-giving at least. A tournament of many upsets so far. A few others said they'd pop in too, which will be nice as it's their first visit to the club.

ER
05-04-2009, 08:14 AM
I hope there will be some who's who on the Chess Chat Forum session! :) Which leads me to organising a survey amongst Clubs so we know the percentage of their members who post/shout/read here!

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 08:53 AM
I've been out for a walk around Lilydale lake, so will get myself organised and should be down at the club around 10am, which should leave time for a chat with all and sundry before play starts again at 11am. I'll bring my laptop, so that I can post the results so far and the draw here and on the club's website.

Dougy: I saw you deep in thought when I stopped in, so that would explain why you didn't spot me!

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 10:32 AM
Standings after Round #3:


No Name Feder Rtg Loc Total 1 2 3

1 Rothlisberger, Marcel VIC 1827 3 21:W 19:W 6:W
2 Stones, Douglas VIC 1787 3 24:W 18:W 7:W
3 Birchall, Ian VIC 1862 2.5 14:W 15:D 16:W
4 Ding, Bill VIC 2.5 12:D 27:W 15:W
5 Davis, Tony J VIC 1894 2.5 23:D 28:W 9:W
6 Weller, Tony QLD 1716 2 29:W 8:W 1:L
7 Bretag, Lawrence TAS 1408 2 31:W 13:W 2:L
8 Matthews, Rodney 2 11:W 6:L 22:W
9 Humphreys, Scott 2 17:W 10:W 5:L
10 Bretag, Marcus TAS 1749 2 25:+ 9:L 24:W
11 Oswald, Franz VIC 1385 2 8:L 25:W 19:W
12 Davies, Stephen P VIC 1533 2 4:D 22:D 18:W
13 Elliot, Renzies VIC 1405 2 20:W 7:L 21:W
14 Manawadu, Dmithri VIC 1032 2 3:L 29:W 20:W
15 Chong, Reginald VIC 1381 1.5 30:W 3:D 4:L
16 Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222 1.5 0:D 23:W 3:L
17 Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1429 1.5 9:L 26:D 28:W
18 Fan, Enoch VIC 759 1 26:W 2:L 12:L
19 Bull, Damar VIC 1 27:W 1:L 11:L
20 Penman, Aidan VIC 1 13:L 0:W 14:L
21 Wong, Joseph VIC 1019 1 1:L 31:W 13:L
22 Zacharczenko, Vladimir VIC 1163 1 28:D 12:D 8:L
23 Gibson, Kyle VIC 1157 1 5:D 16:L 26:D
24 Lim, Ethan VIC 998 1 2:L 30:W 10:L
25 Manawadu, Pasan VIC 933 1 10:- 11:L 29:W
26 Hayman, Adam VIC 967 1 18:L 17:D 23:D
27 Chua, Manny VIC 1570 1 19:L 4:L 31:W
28 Yung, Pearl VIC .5 22:D 5:L 17:L
29 Lim, Denise VIC 762 0 6:L 14:L 25:L
30 Yung, Cameron VIC 0 15:L 24:L 0:L
31 Jayasekera, Arun VIC 0 7:L 21:L 27:L
32 Cross, Jamie VIC 1399 0 0: 0: 0:
33 Hetrel, Daniel VIC 1211 0 0: 0: 0:

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 10:34 AM
Provisional draw for Round #4 (subject to everyone turning up I suppose!):


No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total

1 Douglas Stones 1787 [3] : Marcel Rothlisberger 1827 [3]
2 Bill Ding [2.5] : Tony J Davis 1894 [2.5]
3 Ian Birchall 1862 [2.5] : Marcus Bretag 1749 [2]
4 Tony Weller 1716 [2] : Dmithri Manawadu 1032 [2]
5 Stephen P Davies 1533 [2] : Scott Humphreys [2]
6 Rodney Matthews [2] : Lawrence Bretag 1408 [2]
7 Renzies Elliot 1405 [2] : Franz Oswald 1385 [2]
8 Reginald Chong 1381 [1.5] : Jake Kostrzewa 1429 [1.5]
9 Vladimir Zacharczenko 1163 [1] : Richard Goldsmith 1222 [1.5]
10 Aidan Penman [1] : Manny Chua 1570 [1]
11 Kyle Gibson 1157 [1] : Pasan Manawadu 933 [1]
12 Joseph Wong 1019 [1] : Adam Hayman 967 [1]
13 Ethan Lim 998 [1] : Enoch Fan 759 [1]
14 Damar Bull [1] : Pearl Yung [.5]
15 Denise Lim 762 [0] : Cameron Yung [0]
16 Arun Jayasekera [0] .5:0 BYE

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 11:55 AM
A few other bits of gossip:
-- one game was lost when a mobile phone rang
-- another game seemed over when one player announced resignation, then it was pointed out (inappropriately, by another player nearby) that the apparently winning move was illegal, then the resigning/not-resigning player's opponent touched a piece that, if moved, would have resulted in its loss ... some wise counsel and careful investigation followed ... player who could have claimed the win after opponent's resignation didn't wish to do so ... and the other player who could have forced opponent to move the piece and lose it also didn't wish to do so ... so a draw was agreed, and since the position was relatively level (not totally unbalanced) I suppose this was a good solution. It will be interesting to hear follow up comments from those in question in due course

I'm also intrigued by player Bill Ding, unrated, with 2.5/3 ... "building" ...

useless patzer
05-04-2009, 01:10 PM
"player who could have claimed the win after opponent's resignation didn't wish to do so ... and the other player who could have forced opponent to move the piece and lose it also didn't wish to do so ... so a draw was agreed, and since the position was relatively level (not totally unbalanced) I suppose this was a good solution."

Regardless of the legalities of all this, this seems like the sporting and appropriate solution and kudos to the players in question for doing so.

Also, good luck to everyone and hope everyone has fun!

Basil
05-04-2009, 01:13 PM
^^ :cool:

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 01:57 PM
... kudos to the players in question for doing so.
Indeed ... and kudos to the arbiter (N.Y.Wong) for steering the players towards a mutually agreeable outcome. I'm sure that, in the event of a claim by one of the players involved, he would have had no hesitation in enforcing the laws of the game, however we're not playing for sheep stations here so something mutually agreeable is great for all parties.

eclectic
05-04-2009, 02:07 PM
is there somewhere in the laws of chess which states that all moves in a game to be valid before a resignation can take effect? [compare this with golfers having to check their score card then sign it] if an illegal position is found during a game you have to retrace back to where the moves were legal and resume from there. a player could deliberately swindle by using an illiegal move to con an unsuspecting opponent into resigning. i'm not saying this is what happened here.

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 02:10 PM
Probably need an arbiter to comment. But its my understanding that checkmate immediately ends a game, and I think also that if a player resigns AND their opponent claims a win because of their resignation, then that also ends the game immediately. But I am guessing ... so perhaps someone with arbiting training can clarify for us?

Rincewind
05-04-2009, 03:41 PM
is there somewhere in the laws of chess which states that all moves in a game to be valid before a resignation can take effect? [compare this with golfers having to check their score card then sign it] if an illegal position is found during a game you have to retrace back to where the moves were legal and resume from there. a player could deliberately swindle by using an illiegal move to con an unsuspecting opponent into resigning. i'm not saying this is what happened here.

A legal move which leads to checkmate immediately ends the game. Not all prior moves need to be error free, just the checkmating move. Once the game is over any prior irregularities which might come to light are moot.

With an opponent declaring their resignation, once it is done it also finishes the game. With a resignation even immediately prior irregularities are moot.

Both cases are in law 5.1

5.1 (a) The game is won by the player who has checkmated his opponent`s king. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the checkmate position was a legal move.
(b) The game is won by the player whose opponent declares he resigns. This immediately ends the game.


According to my understanding of the laws and the situation in question, the result should have been a win for the player whose opponent declared his resignation and expulsion of the person who pointed out the illegality of the supposed checkmating move.

Having said that I do not rigorously enforce 5.1 (b) especially with inexperienced players and a number of times have asked inexperienced opponents who have resigned to me in positions I would consider far from resignable to reconsider that declaration. I'm glad both players are happy with the outcome.

Spiny Norman
05-04-2009, 03:55 PM
Just a minor clarification ... I am not sure whether the illegal move was a checkmating move ... it may just have been an apparently crushing move, hence the resignation. I only heard about this 2nd-hand.

Saragossa
05-04-2009, 08:26 PM
Thanks Jak! yes our game was quite tactical and I would be happy to post it up later with some analysis for everyone and another game I would like to post up would be my game against Tony weller in which he played and unorthodox sicilian. Naturally I gave up a small amount of material to posses the vunerable d6 square all was going comfortably until...DISASTER! I made a tactical oversight by on tempo! and the extra material bit me right where it hurt in the endgame, an excellent show of technique by Tony. Yes my game against Dougy was short and sharp Dougy clearly the better payer of the game. I do have to apologise for somewhat anti social behaivour on the first day I was attempting to get rest inbetweent rounds due to a 4.30am start on saturday. Another request is that all Chesschat members have name badges so I know who they are at tournaments! lol. great tournament guys and well organised everyone has a friendly attitude which is just wonderful I also enjoy the advice given after games and tricky puzzles presented.

Rincewind
05-04-2009, 09:51 PM
Just a minor clarification ... I am not sure whether the illegal move was a checkmating move ... it may just have been an apparently crushing move, hence the resignation. I only heard about this 2nd-hand.

Thanks, Frosty. That does not change anything in my prior post. Since the illegal move was never made and only threatened, whether it was perceived to be checkmate or just threatening is irrelevant. The salient point is the player declared his resignation. That should have ended the game immediately as a win for his opponent. Subsequent discussion can't change the result of a finished game.

Upon reflection perhaps the spectator who commented on the illegality of the threatened move was not at fault. From their point of view they had every right to consider the game as finished and therefore they were just offering comments on a concluded game, and post mortems can be engaged in provided they are done in a manner and location approved by the arbiter.

In this case however somehow a concluded game became (in the minds of the players at least) still open. But the principle of all's well that ends well still applies.

ER
05-04-2009, 10:30 PM
My second day report from the Croydon Chess CLub today.
Fun Run in Spencer Street.
Result I tram's final stop at convention Centre next to the Casino. Result II Extra five minutes (non fun) run to the Southern Cross Station, only to see the 9.38 train leaving gracefully from platfom 10!
Arrival at Croydon RSL 11.17 am nothing unusual for me, what is 17 minutes, I usually lose my games with much less time left on the clock!
Smiling Arbitor's Face tells me politely: Good morning, you are more than 15 minutes late, your opponent has claimed the forfeit.
Rules are rules, I congratulate my opponent for his win, and chat to Watto for awhile before heading off for the Rock Cafe - my headquarters in Croydon.
I meet Gloria, "lots of lonely people in suburban shopping centres in weekends" she says. She talks about lonely people as though they are damned or something. I tell her I wish I was lonely even for 24 hours. She takes offense interpreting "lonely" for "alone"! She leaves our table tossing her hair backwards like Rita Hayworth in Gilda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A-e7UnTa2k.
Back to Chess! Oh no, I have Kyle Gibson in the last Round. In both our previous encounters we fought to the bitter end for the point. I was successful in the first, he absolutely obliterated me in the second.
This time I was luckier!
Waiting for the prize giving ceremony I have an interesting discussion with the artist Vladimir Zacharczenko, followed by a short talk with Adam Hayman (my club mate at Box Hill Chess Club) during which he enlightens me about the fine points of baseball as compared to cricket.
Both juniors, Adam and Kyle win prizes!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
A nice tournament throughout, I look forward to visit again the great Croydon Chess Club family as soon as I can!

eclectic
05-04-2009, 10:39 PM
JaK, i thought the new 0 minutes late rule wasn't to go into effect until july 1 unless of course the "unless otherwise decided by the arbiter" is already in effect?

:uhoh:

Basil
05-04-2009, 10:46 PM
Smiling Arbitor's Face tells me politely: Good morning, you are more than 15 minutes late, your opponent has claimed the forfeit.
YHv2BFckngKddngM!

ER
05-04-2009, 10:53 PM
JaK, i thought the new 0 minutes late rule wasn't to go into effect until july 1 unless of course the "unless otherwise decided by the arbiter" is already in effect? :uhoh:
Oh no, Eclecticus, it wasn't that rule it was this rule!
As Watto explained to me, at the beginning of the tournament the arbiter made it very clear, that in case of a player being more than 15 minutes late after the clock was started his opponent could claim the win. But, alas, I was late in the opening round so I did not hear that announcement.
Someone, had pointed that out in the 1st July Changes thread that being late you miss important announcements.
So it's only my self I have to blame, although I would have never forced a a forfeit this way, but that's another story!

Bereaved
05-04-2009, 10:55 PM
Hi Jak,

When are they having the 1st of July this year? have they had it yet, because I meant to visit my friend that day..................and hope it hasn't already happened and I've missed it........


Take care and God Bless, Macavity

ER
05-04-2009, 10:55 PM
YHv2BFckngKddngM!
Exactly Howie, I couldn't have put it any better!!! :lol:

ER
05-04-2009, 10:58 PM
Hi Jak,
When are they having the 1st of July this year? have they had it yet, because I meant to visit my friend that day..................and hope it hasn't already happened and I've missed it........
Take care and God Bless, Macavity

Lol Mac, if your friend is a Chess player, you are down 0-1! :lol:

Garvinator
05-04-2009, 11:28 PM
As Watto explained to me, at the beginning of the tournament the arbiter made it very clear, that in case of a player being more than 15 minutes late after the clock was started his opponent could claim the win. But, alas, I was late in the opening round so I did not hear that announcement.Someone, had pointed that out in the 1st July Changes thread that being late you miss important announcements.So it's only my self I have to blame, although I would have never forced a a forfeit this way, but that's another story!My radar seems to be telling me that there is something very wrong with this, but I can not quite put my finger on it. Is my radar correct, or having an off day?

ER
05-04-2009, 11:54 PM
Garvinator, that's what happened, or better what I believe has happened! I think the organisers, arbiter etc can give you a more clear idea of the position. All I did was to accept the decision of the arbiter, shake hands with my opponent and agree with the very specific explanation of what had happened as given to me by Watto afterwards.
Jean was very clear that she wasn't interpreting, agreeing or disagreeing with the rule, just confirming that she had heard the arbiter referring to the forfeiting of a player after 15 minutes had elapsed on his/her clock!

Basil
06-04-2009, 12:13 AM
A new rule of such import with game terminal consequences should be announced at the beginning of every round - albeit briefly.

Failing that, the rule should be on the entry paraphernalia.

Failing that, the management team should be scoping for late arrivals (on day one) to inform them of the missed announcement.

Failing that, the opponent should have asked if a valid excuse existed before claiming the win (such as player not hearing the announcement :wall:)

There is also an onus on the late-arriving player to enquire if they missed any announcements of import (which I don't do :eek:)

This incident is no biggie (but could have been) and shouldn't be an event wrecker (coz Elliott is excellent). Sounds like everyone had a good time.

Carry on!

Bill Gletsos
06-04-2009, 12:18 AM
Garvinator, that's what happened, or better what I believe has happened! I think the organisers, arbiter etc can give you a more clear idea of the position. All I did was to accept the decision of the arbiter, shake hands with my opponent and agree with the very specific explanation of what had happened as given to me by Watto afterwards.
Jean was very clear that she wasn't interpreting, agreeing or disagreeing with the rule, just confirming that she had heard the arbiter referring to the forfeiting of a player after 15 minutes had elapsed on his/her clock!If this is the case this should be in the tournament regulations prior to the event, not an announcement by the arbiter just prior to round 1.
If it is not in the tournaments regulations prior to the event and the arbiter were to apply it then it should definitely not apply to round 1 but only apply from round 2 onwards.

ER
06-04-2009, 01:51 AM
This is my last round game from the Khalifman! I am playing White vs Kyle Gibson

Event: The Khalifman
Site: Croydon RSL
Date: 5/4/09
Round V
White: Elliott Renzies
Black: Kyle Gibson
Result 1-0

1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 c5 {Kyle, do we have a Sicilian with a better position for White as early as in move 3 here? Let's see!} 4. exd5 exd5 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. Qe2 Qe7 7. Bxd7 Nxd7
8. Qxe7 {was Nxd5 better here?} Nxe7 9. Nb5 Kd8 10. Nd6 Rg8 11. Nxf7 Kc7 12. Bf4 Kc6 13. dxc5 {maybe developing the Knigh at f3 was better here!} Nxc5 14. Ne5 Kb6 15. O-O-O Ne4 16. Be3 Kc7 17. f3 Nf6 18. Ne2 Nc6 19. Nxc6 bxc6 20. Nd4 Kd7 21. Rhe1 Bc5 22. Nb3 Bb6 23. Nc5 Kd6 {from a number of good, logical moves here, trust me, to pick the lamest one} 24. Nb7 {?} Kc7 25. Bxb6 axb6 26. Re7 Nd7 27. c4 Ra7 28. cxd5 Rxb7 29. d6 Kd8 30. Rde1 Nc5 31. Kc2 Rd7 32. b4 Nb7 33. Rxd7 Kxd7 34. Re7+ Kc8 35. Rc7 Kb8 36. Rxc6 {desperation but what else is there? the idea is to get into an ending and give Kyle some headache with simultaneous attacks from the Pawns on both wings} Rc8 37. Rxc8 Kxc8 38. Kd3 Nxd6 39. Kd4 Kd7 40. a4 Ke6 41. a5 bxa5 42. bxa5 Kd7 43. f4 h5 44. a6 {Now the Knight is forced to defend against the a-Pawn and my superiority on the K-side is obvious! Am I winning here?} Nc8 45. Ke5 Ke7 46. Kf5 Kf7 47. Kg5 h4 48. Kxh4 Kf6 49. Kg4 Kg6 50. Kf3 Kf5 51. g4+ Kf6 52. Ke4 Ke6 53. h4 g6 54. h5 gxh5 55. gxh5 Kf6 56. Kd5 Ke7 57. h6 Kd7 58. Ke5 Nd6 59. h7 Nf7 60. Kf6 Nh8 61. a7 Kd6 62. a8=Q {1-0 after some more moves}

Watto
06-04-2009, 09:50 AM
The only correction to JAK’s description is that I did not claim to have heard the announcement prior to round one as I was elsewhere at the time (and not playing in the event.)

I was watching when JAK turned up just over 15 minutes late for round 4 and was told his opponent had claimed the forfeit. As JAK’s a friend and I wasn’t aware of the rule myself, naturally I was curious to know what had happened, and the arbiter, NY Wong, confirmed that an announcement had been made prior to round 1 that one could claim a forfeit if one’s opponent was more than 15 minutes late. Which JAK’s opponent did. I was wondering how JAK didn’t know about this rule and then realised that JAK would not have heard the announcement having arrived after round 1 started. That’s what I explained to JAK, how he missed the announcement. As I wasn’t playing I wasn’t paying much attention to announcements but I think it’s likely that round 1 wasn’t the only time NY mentioned it. I’ll also add that I have found N.Y. Wong to be an excellent arbiter and I feel we were most fortunate to have him arbiting this event.

At the same time, I think that forfeits of this nature are always regrettable and I felt bad for JAK.

Now, if someone can post the final standings please that would be great as I wasn’t there for the final round …

Dougy
06-04-2009, 09:56 AM
This is my final round game, it's quite unusual...

[Event "The Khalifman"]
[Site "Croydon Chess Club"]
[Date "2009.04.05"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Davis, Tony"]
[Black "Stones, Douglas"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "1894"]
[BlackElo "1787"]
[PlyCount "46"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 g6 3. Bg5 Bg7 4. e3 Nf6 5. Bd3 b6 6. f4 Bb7 7. Bxf6 exf6 8. Nf3
Qe7 9. Qd2 Nd7 10. Nb5 Nf8 11. c4 dxc4 12. Bxc4 Bxf3 13. gxf3 c6 14. Nc3 f5 15.
O-O Nd7 16. d5 Rc8 17. Ba6 Rd8 18. dxc6 Nc5 19. Bb5 Rxd2 20. c7+ Kf8 21. c8=Q+
Rd8 22. Qc6 Bxc3 23. bxc3 Rd6 0-1

Desmond
06-04-2009, 10:13 AM
19.Bb5 was a tricky move, pity it didn't work. 19.Qe2 Nxa6 20.Qxa6 Qxe3+ then 0-0 might have been better but the white king does look a bit shaky.

ER
06-04-2009, 10:22 AM
The only correction to JAKís description is that I did not claim to have heard the announcement prior to round one as I was elsewhere at the time (and not playing in the event.)

I was watching when JAK turned up just over 15 minutes late for round 4 and was told his opponent had claimed the forfeit. As JAKís a friend and I wasnít aware of the rule myself, naturally I was curious to know what had happened, and the arbiter, NY Wong, confirmed that an announcement had been made prior to round 1 that one could claim a forfeit if oneís opponent was more than 15 minutes late. Which JAKís opponent did. I was wondering how JAK didnít know about this rule and then realised that JAK would not have heard the announcement having arrived after round 1 started. Thatís what I explained to JAK, how he missed the announcement. As I wasnít playing I wasnít paying much attention to announcements but I think itís likely that round 1 wasnít the only time NY mentioned it. Iíll also add that I have found N.Y. Wong to be an excellent arbiter and I feel we were most fortunate to have him arbiting this event.

Yes this is exactly the case as far as Jean's account is concerned... Apologies for any inaccurate statements on my behaflf as I was a little dazed myself by the course of the events. No complaints whatsoever, I also agree with Jean that the Arbiter Mr N.Y.Wong did an excellent job throughout the tournament! :clap: :clap: :clap:

SHump
06-04-2009, 10:52 AM
Jean - thanks for the mention of me in an earlier item. I am returning to OTB chess after a long lay off. I am really enjoying the meeting of new people, the travel to strange and exotic lands (Ballarat, Croydon and Canberra next week) and I am not totally disappointed in my chess either ;-)

I am now hooked on OTB chess! Bring it on.
ta, Scott Humphreys

Bill Gletsos
06-04-2009, 11:22 AM
... and I think also that if a player resigns AND their opponent claims a win because of their resignation, then that also ends the game immediately.As per Article 5.1 (b) resignation immediately ends the game. It does not require the resigning players opponent to claim the win because of the resignation.

Saragossa
06-04-2009, 02:13 PM
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5{The budapest. I had done some minor work just touch up on some of the ideas but was still frightened at actually having to play against it!} 3. dxe5 Ng4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Bf4 Bb4+ {The first surprise I hadn't seen this before but it is probably book} 6. Nbd2 Qe7 7. e3{ I figured if I couldn't hold onto the pawn without trouble I may aswell give it back for some kind of positional advantage} Ngxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 9. a3 Bd6 10. Qc2?! {10...Nf3+ is what I missed when playing this move where black gets the bishop pair} Ng6 11. Bxd6 Qxd6 12. Rd1 Qf6
13. Bd3 b6? {note that I have played the move order incorrectly and it is 12.Bd3 b6 13. Rd1 Qf6. This opens the long diagonal and gives me an oppurtunity to cease the d6 square} 14. Be4 c6{Rb8 was an alternative} 15. Bxg6!{giving up the bishop to gain d6 with the knight} hxg6 (15...Qxg6 16. Qxg6 hxg6 17. Ne4) 16. Ne4 Qe5 17. Nd6+ Kf8 18. g3 Ba6{giving up a pawn to free pieces is always an alternative here} 19. b4 Rb8 20. O-O Bb7{Black has done very well here to free his once imprisoned bishop but in the making has lost a few tempi} 21. e4 c5 22. f4 Qe6 23. f5 gxf5 24. Rxf5 f6{ getting tactically sharp about here}
25. e5 cxb4 (25...Rh6) 26. exf6 Qe3+{looks godd but I believe that the queen is needed for defesive purposes} 27. Kf1{keeping my king closer to my pieces and further away from his attack} g6{Only move I believe} 28. Rf2 Qh6 29. Qe2 Qh3+ 30. Ke1 (30. Kg1? Qxg3!) 30...Qh7 31. f7 Kg7 {There is actually things like 31...axb3 or lots of other moves because Qe8+ can be met by Kg7} 32. Qe5+ Kh6 (32...Kf8) 33. Rd4 g5 34. Rf6+{A nice little combo to finish off} 34...Kg7 (34...Kh5 Rh4#) 35. Re6+ Kf8
36. Re8+ Rxe8 37. fxe8=Q#{This last move didn't actually happen I just had a fantasy about actually writing this down so did} 1-0

I though it was an excellent game by Elliot because there was not one moment where I got to rest a truly great fightback and I'm sure if I kepp coming to Melbourne I'll have many more memorable encounters with him.

Watto
07-04-2009, 09:05 AM
I presume that congratulations to Dougy are in order as he won his last round game. :clap: I’d be interested to know who else won prizes and whether Dougy shared first place with anyone.

So it would be great if someone with access to the files could post the final round results and standings, please.

Failing that, perhaps someone who was there could fill us in. :)

Dougy
07-04-2009, 09:17 AM
Thanks, shared first with Ian Birchall. As for the final results, I've been a bit busy recently, but I should be able to post them today.

ER
07-04-2009, 09:57 AM
I though it was an excellent game by Elliot because there was not one moment where I got to rest a truly great fightback and I'm sure if I kepp coming to Melbourne I'll have many more memorable encounters with him.
Thanks for your nice comments Lawrence, you played really well and I stood no chance against you! I hope you, Marcus, and dad had a great trip back to Tassie! :) I look forward to see you all gain soon!

Brian_Jones
07-04-2009, 01:11 PM
Please email SP files to the GP Director (for GP scoring!) :)

Ian CCC
07-04-2009, 03:17 PM
Hi everyone,

This is my first post on chesschat. Sorry in advance if I break any conventions. I just thought I would make a few comments on the tournament and on some of the other posts that have been made.

Firstly, I thought that the organisers did Croydon Chess Club proud in running their first Grand Prix event. It was great to see and compete against players from across Melbourne, Tasmania, Queensland and even China! A great job by all concerned, especially NY as the cool calm arbiter, Dougy as initiator and publicist, and Richard as the commander-in-chief and the face and voice of the club. Thanks to all concerned.

Secondly, in regard to the 15 minute forfeit rule. My recollection is that, during the briefing to competitors by NY immediately prior to the start of the first round, a question was asked about the time required to wait before claiming a forfeit. NY proposed that a 15 minute limit be applied before a forfeit was claimed. No-one disagreed with this proposal. In fact, there were murmurs of approval from a number of players around me. My recollection is that NY repeated this instruction prior to some other rounds - but I don't remember which. At that briefing, it was pointed out that the fun run may interfere with travel on the Sunday and the advice was given to start out early.

In an ideal world, I expect that it should have been noted that one competitor was not present at the start of the first round and had missed the briefing. That competitor should then have been informed of any instructions given at the briefing. On the other hand, in an ideal world, all competitors would have been at the briefing. I feel sorry for JAK that his opponent claimed a win on forfeit when he was just 17 min late - I would be annoyed too - but it sounds like he has taken it in good grace and I respect him for that.

The third comment I would make is on the question of the now imfamous illegal move drawn game. My understanding of the event is that one player (I think white) verbally resigned the game. It was then pointed out by a spectator that the opponent's final move with a knight was in fact illegal. At that point, unsure of the rules, the players then endeavoured to restart the game by going back to the position prior to the illegal move and restarting the clock. The players, perhaps with advice of spectators, then decided that black having touched the knight must therefore make a move with that piece. Black then resigned because any legal move with the knight then left a rook en prise. One player then asked the advice of the arbiter. My understanding is that the arbiter advised that the players should either provide him with an agreed result of the game or report that the game result was in dispute. The agreed game result was a draw.

Strictly speaking, the game was over once one player resigned. At that stage, both players needed to be aware of the rules that the game was over despite the illegal move. At the very least, a copy of the rules should have been consulted or the advice of the arbiter sought before the game was restarted. I suspect that there should be a rule that games should not be discussed or analysed by spectators or players until the result is recorded on the scoresheet and signed by both players - but you can't have rules to cover every circumstance and you can't be sure that they will be followed in any case.

In my view, even though the player who made the illegal move could have claimed a win based strictly on the rules, it was a fair result and a credit to both players that they were prepared to come to a mutually agreed position. But it is also a lesson to all of us to know the rules.

Best wishes to everyone organising and competing in the Doeberl Cup.

Dougy
07-04-2009, 03:30 PM
Final results (cross-table):


No Name Feder Rtg Loc Total 1 2 3 4 5

1 Birchall, Ian VIC 1862 4.5 18:W 6:D 17:W 11:W 4:W
2 Stones, Douglas VIC 1787 4.5 22:W 26:W 9:W 4:D 7:W
3 Weller, Tony QLD 1716 4 24:W 20:W 4:L 18:W 9:W
4 Rothlisberger, Marcel VIC 1827 3.5 28:W 25:W 3:W 2:D 1:L
5 Ding, Bill VIC 3.5 10:D 14:W 6:W 7:L 18:W
6 Chong, Reginald VIC 1381 3.5 30:W 1:D 5:L 16:W 15:W
7 Davis, Tony J VIC 1894 3.5 19:D 23:W 15:W 5:W 2:L
8 Oswald, Franz VIC 1385 3.5 20:L 27:W 25:W 12:+ 10:D
9 Bretag, Lawrence TAS 1408 3 31:W 12:W 2:L 20:W 3:L
10 Davies, Stephen P VIC 1533 3 5:D 21:D 26:W 15:D 8:D
11 Bretag, Marcus TAS 1749 3 27:+ 15:L 22:W 1:L 20:W
12 Renzies, Elliot VIC 1405 3 29:W 9:L 28:W 8:- 19:W
13 Hayman, Adam VIC 967 3 26:L 16:D 19:D 28:W 21:W
14 Chua, Manny VIC 1570 3 25:L 5:L 31:W 29:W 22:W
15 Humphreys, Scott 2.5 16:W 11:W 7:L 10:D 6:L
16 Kostrzewa, Jake VIC 1429 2.5 15:L 13:D 23:W 6:L 28:W
17 Goldsmith, Richard VIC 1222 2.5 0:D 19:W 1:L 21:L 25:W
18 Manawadu, Dmithri VIC 1032 2 1:L 24:W 29:W 3:L 5:L
19 Gibson, Kyle VIC 1157 2 7:D 17:L 13:D 27:W 12:L
20 Matthews, Rodney 2 8:W 3:L 21:W 9:L 11:L
21 Zacharczenko, Vladimir VIC 1163 2 23:D 10:D 20:L 17:W 13:L
22 Lim, Ethan VIC 998 2 2:L 30:W 11:L 26:W 14:L
23 Yung, Pearl VIC 2 21:D 7:L 16:L 25:D 0:W
24 Lim, Denise VIC 762 2 3:L 18:L 27:L 30:W 29:W
25 Bull, Damar VIC 1.5 14:W 4:L 8:L 23:D 17:L
26 Fan, Enoch VIC 759 1.5 13:W 2:L 10:L 22:L 27:D
27 Manawadu, Pasan VIC 933 1.5 11:- 8:L 24:W 19:L 26:D
28 Wong, Joseph VIC 1019 1 4:L 31:W 12:L 13:L 16:L
29 Penman, Aidan VIC 1 12:L 0:W 18:L 14:L 24:L
30 Yung, Cameron VIC 1 6:L 22:L 0:L 24:L 31:W
31 Jayasekera, Arun VIC .5 9:L 28:L 14:L 0:D 30:L

Dougy
07-04-2009, 03:32 PM
Final standings:


Place Name Feder Loc Club Score M-Buch. Buch. Progr.

1-2 Ian Birchall VIC 1862 4.5 8.5 14.0 13.0
Douglas Stones VIC 1787 4.5 8.5 13.5 14.0
3 Tony Weller QLD 1716 4 7.0 12.5 12.0
4-8 Marcel Rothlisberger VIC 1827 3.5 10.0 15.5 13.0
Bill Ding VIC U1600 3.5 9.5 15.0 10.5
Reginald Chong VIC 1381 U1600 3.5 8.5 14.5 10.0
Tony J Davis VIC 1894 3.5 8.0 14.0 11.5
Franz Oswald VIC 1385 U1600 3.5 7.0 12.0 9.5
9-14 Lawrence Bretag TAS 1408 U1600 3 9.5 14.5 11.0
Stephen P Davies VIC 1533 U1600 3 7.5 12.5 9.0
Marcus Bretag TAS 1749 3 6.5 13.0 9.0
Elliot Renzies VIC 1405 U1600 3 6.0 9.5 9.0
Adam Hayman VIC 967 JU1200 3 5.5 9.0 6.5
Manny Chua VIC 1570 U1600 3 4.0 8.0 6.0
15-17 Scott Humphreys U1600 2.5 9.0 15.0 10.0
Jake Kostrzewa VIC 1429 U1600 2.5 7.0 11.5 6.0
Richard Goldsmith VIC 1222 U1600 2.5 6.5 12.5 7.5
18-24 Dmithri Manawadu VIC 1032 JU1200 2 9.5 14.5 7.0
Kyle Gibson VIC 1157 JU1200 2 9.0 14.5 6.0
Rodney Matthews U1600 2 8.5 14.5 8.0
Vladimir Zacharczenko VIC 1163 U1600 2 7.5 12.0 6.5
Ethan Lim VIC 998 JU1200 2 7.0 13.0 6.0
Pearl Yung VIC U1600 2 7.0 12.0 4.5
Denise Lim VIC 762 JU1200 2 5.5 10.0 3.0
25-27 Damar Bull VIC JU1200 1.5 8.5 13.5 6.0
Enoch Fan VIC 759 JU1200 1.5 8.0 14.5 5.5
Pasan Manawadu VIC 933 U1600 1.5 6.5 11.0 3.5
28-30 Joseph Wong VIC 1019 JU1200 1 9.0 13.0 4.0
Aidan Penman VIC JU1200 1 7.5 13.0 4.0
Cameron Yung VIC JU1200 1 6.5 10.5 1.0
31 Arun Jayasekera VIC JU1200 0.5 7.0 11.0 1.0

Dougy
07-04-2009, 03:33 PM
For the sake of completeness, I'll list the results from all five rounds.

Round 1:


No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total

1 Tony J Davis 1894 [0] .5:.5 Kyle Gibson 1157 [0]
2 Dmithri Manawadu 1032 [0] 0:1 Ian Birchall 1862 [0]
3 Marcel Rothlisberger 1827 [0] 1:0 Joseph Wong 1019 [0]
4 Ethan Lim 998 [0] 0:1 Douglas Stones 1787 [0]
5 Marcus Bretag 1749 [0] +:- Pasan Manawadu 933 [0]
6 Denise Lim 762 [0] 0:1 Tony Weller 1716 [0]
7 Manny Chua 1570 [0] 0:1 Damar Bull [0]
8 Bill Ding [0] .5:.5 Stephen P Davies 1533 [0]
9 Jake Kostrzewa 1429 [0] 0:1 Scott Humphreys [0]
10 Arun Jayasekera [0] 0:1 Lawrence Bretag 1408 [0]
11 Franz Oswald 1385 [0] 0:1 Rodney Matthews [0]
12 Cameron Yung [0] 0:1 Reginald Chong 1381 [0]
13 Vladimir Zacharczenko 1163 [0] .5:.5 Pearl Yung [0]
14 Aidan Penman [0] 0:1 Elliot Renzies 1405 [0]
15 Enoch Fan 759 [0] 1:0 Adam Hayman 967 [0]
16 Richard Goldsmith 1222 [0] .5:0 BYE


Round 2:


No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total

1 Ian Birchall 1862 [1] .5:.5 Reginald Chong 1381 [1]
2 Damar Bull [1] 0:1 Marcel Rothlisberger 1827 [1]
3 Douglas Stones 1787 [1] 1:0 Enoch Fan 759 [1]
4 Scott Humphreys [1] 1:0 Marcus Bretag 1749 [1]
5 Tony Weller 1716 [1] 1:0 Rodney Matthews [1]
6 Lawrence Bretag 1408 [1] 1:0 Elliot Renzies 1405 [1]
7 Pearl Yung [.5] 0:1 Tony J Davis 1894 [.5]
8 Stephen P Davies 1533 [.5] .5:.5 Vladimir Zacharczenko 1163 [.5]
9 Kyle Gibson 1157 [.5] 0:1 Richard Goldsmith 1222 [.5]
10 Manny Chua 1570 [0] 0:1 Bill Ding [.5]
11 Adam Hayman 967 [0] .5:.5 Jake Kostrzewa 1429 [0]
12 Pasan Manawadu 933 [0] 0:1 Franz Oswald 1385 [0]
13 Denise Lim 762 [0] 0:1 Dmithri Manawadu 1032 [0]
14 Joseph Wong 1019 [0] 1:0 Arun Jayasekera [0]
15 Cameron Yung [0] 0:1 Ethan Lim 998 [0]
16 Aidan Penman [0] 1:0 BYE


Round 3:


No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total

1 Marcel Rothlisberger 1827 [2] 1:0 Tony Weller 1716 [2]
2 Lawrence Bretag 1408 [2] 0:1 Douglas Stones 1787 [2]
3 Tony J Davis 1894 [1.5] 1:0 Scott Humphreys [2]
4 Richard Goldsmith 1222 [1.5] 0:1 Ian Birchall 1862 [1.5]
5 Reginald Chong 1381 [1.5] 0:1 Bill Ding [1.5]
6 Marcus Bretag 1749 [1] 1:0 Ethan Lim 998 [1]
7 Enoch Fan 759 [1] 0:1 Stephen P Davies 1533 [1]
8 Franz Oswald 1385 [1] 1:0 Damar Bull [1]
9 Rodney Matthews [1] 1:0 Vladimir Zacharczenko 1163 [1]
10 Dmithri Manawadu 1032 [1] 1:0 Aidan Penman [1]
11 Elliot Renzies 1405 [1] 1:0 Joseph Wong 1019 [1]
12 Jake Kostrzewa 1429 [.5] 1:0 Pearl Yung [.5]
13 Adam Hayman 967 [.5] .5:.5 Kyle Gibson 1157 [.5]
14 Arun Jayasekera [0] 0:1 Manny Chua 1570 [0]
15 Pasan Manawadu 933 [0] 1:0 Denise Lim 762 [0]
16 Cameron Yung [0] 0:0 BYE


Round 4:


No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total

1 Douglas Stones 1787 [3] .5:.5 Marcel Rothlisberger 1827 [3]
2 Bill Ding [2.5] 0:1 Tony J Davis 1894 [2.5]
3 Ian Birchall 1862 [2.5] 1:0 Marcus Bretag 1749 [2]
4 Tony Weller 1716 [2] 1:0 Dmithri Manawadu 1032 [2]
5 Stephen P Davies 1533 [2] .5:.5 Scott Humphreys [2]
6 Rodney Matthews [2] 0:1 Lawrence Bretag 1408 [2]
7 Elliot Renzies 1405 [2] -:+ Franz Oswald 1385 [2]
8 Reginald Chong 1381 [1.5] 1:0 Jake Kostrzewa 1429 [1.5]
9 Vladimir Zacharczenko 1163 [1] 1:0 Richard Goldsmith 1222 [1.5]
10 Aidan Penman [1] 0:1 Manny Chua 1570 [1]
11 Kyle Gibson 1157 [1] 1:0 Pasan Manawadu 933 [1]
12 Joseph Wong 1019 [1] 0:1 Adam Hayman 967 [1]
13 Ethan Lim 998 [1] 1:0 Enoch Fan 759 [1]
14 Damar Bull [1] .5:.5 Pearl Yung [.5]
15 Denise Lim 762 [0] 1:0 Cameron Yung [0]
16 Arun Jayasekera [0] .5:0 BYE


Round 5:


No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total

1 Tony J Davis 1894 [3.5] 0:1 Douglas Stones 1787 [3.5]
2 Marcel Rothlisberger 1827 [3.5] 0:1 Ian Birchall 1862 [3.5]
3 Lawrence Bretag 1408 [3] 0:1 Tony Weller 1716 [3]
4 Stephen P Davies 1533 [2.5] .5:.5 Franz Oswald 1385 [3]
5 Scott Humphreys [2.5] 0:1 Reginald Chong 1381 [2.5]
6 Dmithri Manawadu 1032 [2] 0:1 Bill Ding [2.5]
7 Marcus Bretag 1749 [2] 1:0 Rodney Matthews [2]
8 Manny Chua 1570 [2] 1:0 Ethan Lim 998 [2]
9 Adam Hayman 967 [2] 1:0 Vladimir Zacharczenko 1163 [2]
10 Elliot Renzies 1405 [2] 1:0 Kyle Gibson 1157 [2]
11 Richard Goldsmith 1222 [1.5] 1:0 Damar Bull [1.5]
12 Jake Kostrzewa 1429 [1.5] 1:0 Joseph Wong 1019 [1]
13 Enoch Fan 759 [1] .5:.5 Pasan Manawadu 933 [1]
14 Aidan Penman [1] 0:1 Denise Lim 762 [1]
15 Cameron Yung [0] 1:0 Arun Jayasekera [.5]
16 Pearl Yung [1] 1:0 BYE

Dougy
07-04-2009, 03:48 PM
A great job by all concerned, especially NY as the cool calm arbiter, Dougy as initiator and publicist, and Richard as the commander-in-chief and the face and voice of the club. Thanks to all concerned.

Publicist title should go to Watto who had our brochures at lots of clubs. I'd also like to add in thanks to The Snail King for keeping the website up-to-date. Thanks to Gattaca and N.Y. for generous donation of prize money.

Spiny Norman
07-04-2009, 06:45 PM
Speaking of the website, results are now posted there too. Congrats to all involved. I've been part of the committee at Croydon since its inception and have had a finger in a lot of pies, however this event was completely put together (concept, planning, execution) by people who were not part of the original founding members at Croydon ... and for that, I congratulate them! ... my involvement, apart from updating the website, was precisely zilch. Not sure just HOW proud I ought to be of that (perhaps I'm getting overly lazy!), but from a health-of-the-club perspective, I'm tickled pink that so many new faces have stepped up and are involved in organising activities and tournaments. So my hearty congratulations go to all those who organised, arbitered, assisted, encouraged. Also to the winners, Dougy and Ian, well done chaps!

Watto
07-04-2009, 11:53 PM
Thanks for posting all the results, Dougy. Congrats to yourself and Ian too. :)

ER
08-04-2009, 05:52 AM
My prediction is that for the next weekender, (or other type of tournament) you people must be prepared to utilise the analysis room space and maybe use more tables in the main playing room.
People, including myself, loved this tournament and would definitely come back to play again and again telling our friends about it too!
Keep up the good work! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Brian_Jones
08-04-2009, 08:41 AM
Yulgilbar-Think Big GP results now posted - see http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?site=grandprix

But where were all the female players?

ER
08-04-2009, 10:00 AM
Yulgilbar-Think Big GP results now posted - see http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?site=grandprix
But where were all the female players?
thanks for posting mate, I am back into the runs!!! lol, i dont know about the girls, all i know is I am 0.39 points ahead of me mate Trent! :whistle: :owned: :clap: See ya all down in the Capital!

Watto
08-04-2009, 10:51 AM
Yulgilbar-Think Big GP results now posted - see http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?site=grandprix

But where were all the female players?
Well, like most tournaments in Australia, there was a small number. In this case, two. One junior (Denise Lim) and one adult (Pearl Yung)...

Garvinator
08-04-2009, 10:55 AM
Well, like most tournaments in Australia, there was a small number. In this case, two. One junior (Denise Lim) and one adult (Pearl Yung)...
do you not count ;)

eclectic
08-04-2009, 11:01 AM
i don't think she played ;)

Garvinator
08-04-2009, 11:38 AM
i don't think she played ;)
Don't annoy me with technical details :P

Watto
08-04-2009, 03:15 PM
do you not count ;)
lol, thanks for thinking of me, gg. No, I decided not to play for a variety of reasons; the main one one being a high blood pressure issue which has come back, seems to affect my concentration. But, of course, that might just be in my head, so to speak... ;)

Saragossa
08-04-2009, 03:32 PM
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5!? 5. Nb3 Bb6 6. c4 Nc6 7. Nc3 a6! 8. Bf4?! (8. Qg4 better?) 8... Nge7 9. Qg4 O-O 10. O-O-O Bxf2 11. Bd6 Be3+ 12. Kb1 Bh6 13. Bd3 g6 14. e5 f5 15. exf6?! {the start of a misguided 'winning' combination} Rxf6 16. Qh4 Bg7 17. Ne4? Nf5! 18. Qh3 Nxd6 19. Nxd6 Rf2 20. Rd2 Rxd2 21. Nxd2 Qf6! {no real defence but scrambling} 22. Kc1 Qxb2+ 23. Kd1 Nd4 24. Qh4 {just hoping some combo will actually work but to no avail} Nc6 25. Rf1 I'll post up the rest later but I was mainly looking for advice on how I was supposed to press forward my middle game. I was extremely dissapointed in this loss as well because I would have ended on 4/5 with a bit of pride to take home, maybe next time!:D :D :D This is my game between Tony Weller and I btw and he ended up winning after some exchanges.

Ian CCC
08-04-2009, 06:41 PM
I'll post up the rest later but I was mainly looking for advice on how I was supposed to press forward my middle game.

Hi, just giving my thoughts - for what their worth.

I think your idea of castling Q-side and attacking K-side is good. Me, being a fairly careful player, would have tried to tie up Black a little more first. e.g. playing c5 instead of Qg4 to swap or contain black's dark square bishop and keep pressure on the central dark squares. I think you needed to be ready for breaks by black to free his pieces such as f5 as played in the game or b6 (with the pawn on c5). If you tie up black first defending his dark squares and d7 then you can organise an attack at leisure on the K-side.

Looking at what you played, I think Qh4 allowing Nf5 exchanging off your dark square bishop was the big mistake. Bringing a rook to the f-file to try to exchange one of black's defenders seems better. The more exchanges of defending pieces the better as black can't bring his QB and QR quickly into play. If Nf5 now, then Bf4 forces the exchange of the dark squared bishop and you can follow up later with g4 knocking the N from its perch. You also have Ne4 to come.

fritz
08-04-2009, 07:26 PM
4...Bc5 is a bit suspect

Ian CCC
08-04-2009, 07:35 PM
Actually, checking on Fritz. gives instead of 16.Qh4 or 16.Rhf1: 16.Qh3 Nf5 17.Bxf5 gxf5 18.g4 as the best continuation.

Dougy
09-04-2009, 03:39 PM
N.Y. has spent a large amount of time entering in the games from the Khalifman - all 74 of them. Wow!! They should be on our website (http://www.croydonchess.com/) shortly.

Spiny Norman
09-04-2009, 06:31 PM
I've got the PGN now ... will post it tomorrow and advise here when done.

Saragossa
09-04-2009, 09:15 PM
Wow thats a massive input from NY! He was a great tournament, an asset that makes a good tournament a great tournament!

Thanks for the feedback Ian I feared b6 with any c5 pushes aswell as it let the darksquared bishop put some pressure on d6. However in hindsight if he were to trade a pawn on d6 is just as cramping. I'll definately keep the g4 type idea in mind hopefully you and I will have a game sometime. Also I think a congratulations to Bill Ding is at hand. Being unrated and playing such a strong tournament WELL DONE!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Spiny Norman
10-04-2009, 08:04 AM
All the games are up on the Croydon Chess website (see Results, 2009, The Khalifman).

Spiny Norman
10-04-2009, 02:11 PM
Anyone who wants the PGN just of the Khalifman tourney, without having to download the entire Croydon master database, can click here:

http://www.croydonchess.com//portals/0/PGN/2009/2009-04-The-Khalifman.pgn.txt