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CameronD
31-01-2009, 05:07 PM
Anyone interested in a chess 960 chesschat tournament please advise here and I'll proceed from there.

Kaitlin
31-01-2009, 05:11 PM
what is chess 960?

Garrett
31-01-2009, 05:57 PM
Anyone interested in a chess 960 chesschat tournament please advise here and I'll proceed from there.

sounds like a plan.

I'll play.

cheers
Garrett.

Garrett
31-01-2009, 05:59 PM
what is chess 960?

also known as Fischer Random.

To save you googling it's where the starting position of the pieces are random. Black's and White's still stand opposite. There are other finesses but I'm not familiar and will google as well when the time comes.

Cheers
Garrett.

Kaitlin
31-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Kewl .. I'll play in that :D

[Edit] and i already know how to play it... im best at wilds :D .. dont need no book learning to play those openings :D

CameronD
31-01-2009, 06:49 PM
Rules will be at this link

http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/Fischer_Random_Chess.html

No computer assistence or databases or opening resources will be allowed, everyone will be on their own resources.

One more expression of interest and I'll state the time controls and collect entries

Kevin Bonham
31-01-2009, 06:58 PM
No computer assistence or databases or opening resources will be allowed, everyone will be on their own resources.

Databases and opening resources exist for Chess 960? :eek:

CameronD
31-01-2009, 07:23 PM
Databases and opening resources exist for Chess 960? :eek:

I've already discovered an online database of 3000 game, more amatuar level, i would guess. Also their are endgame databases

Desmond
01-02-2009, 10:19 AM
I will play, assuming the other tournament is not going at the same time.

CameronD
01-02-2009, 11:38 AM
Theres enough interest so I'll get this started.

Rules at http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/Fisch...dom_Chess.html
No computer assistence, opening books or databases. Players are to play on their own resources.

6 players or less will be double round robin
7 players or more will be single round robin
time control 14 days + 3 days per move
time off can be requested
10 day per move limit
Starting position will be decided by me from the dice meathod

entries close Friday 6th February at 6PM (Qld time)
Game starts Saturday 7th February at midday (Qld time)


Can Garrett, Boris and Kaitlin please confirm their entries
Players should PM me any problems/concerns that arise from their game

Garrett
01-02-2009, 12:54 PM
sounds like a plan.

I'll play.

cheers
Garrett.

CameronD
02-02-2009, 08:22 PM
Confirmed entrants

CameronD
Kaitlin
Garrett

Kaitlin
03-02-2009, 03:34 PM
What seed am I

CameronD
03-02-2009, 07:56 PM
What seed am I

Your the top seed and favorite to win kaitlin

CameronD
07-02-2009, 10:12 AM
I'll post the games to start within the hour. One spot will be kept available for someone to enter in the following week.

Desmond
07-02-2009, 02:03 PM
Did I get vetoed?

Kevin Bonham
07-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Subforum created for tournament.

CameronD
07-02-2009, 03:38 PM
Did I get vetoed?

No, you didnt confirm your entry. I assume you want to play and will insert you now.

Desmond
07-02-2009, 04:27 PM
Thanks

Desmond
09-02-2009, 09:43 AM
Can someone please tell me the rules of castling? Above link is broken.

Garrett
09-02-2009, 01:46 PM
Can someone please tell me the rules of castling? Above link is broken.

works okay for me, here is the text on castling



2 Castling

2.1 Rules for Castling

Once the starting position is set up, the rules for play are the same as standard chess. In particular, pieces and pawns have their normal moves, and each player's objective is to checkmate their opponent's king.

Fischer random chess allows each player to castle once per game, a move by potentially both the king and rook in a single move. However, a few interpretations of standard chess games rules are needed for castling, because the standard rules presume initial locations of the rook and king that are often untrue in Fischer Random Chess games.

After castling, the rook and king's final positions are exactly the same positions as they would be in standard chess. Thus, after a-side castling (notated as O-O-O and known as queen-side castling in orthodox chess), the King is on c (c1 for White and c8 for Black) and the Rook is on d (d1 for White and d8 for Black). After h-side castling (notated as O-O and known as king-side castling in orthodox chess), the King is on g and the Rook is on f. It is recommended that a player state "I am about to castle" before castling, to eliminate potential misunderstanding.

However, castling may only occur under the following conditions, which are extensions of the standard rules for castling:

1. Unmoved: The king and the castling rook must not have moved before in the game, including castling.
2. Unattacked: All of the squares between the king's initial and final squares (including the initial and final squares) must not be under attack by any opposing piece.
3. Vacant: All the squares between the king's initial and final squares (including the final square), and all of the squares between the rook's initial and final squares (including the final square), must be vacant except for the king and castling rook.

These rules have the following consequences:

* If the initial position happens to be the standard chess initial position, these castling rules have exactly the same effect as the standard chess castling rules.
* All the squares between the king and castling rook must be vacant.
* Castling cannot capture any pieces.
* The king and castling rook cannot "jump" over any pieces other than each other.
* A player may castle at most once in a game.
* If a player moves his king or both of his initial rooks without castling, he may not castle during the rest of the game.
* In some starting positions, some squares can stay filled during castling that would have to be vacant in standard chess. For example, after a-side castling (O-O-O), it's possible for to have a, b, and/or e still filled, and after h-side castling (O-O), it's possible to have e and/or h filled.
* In some starting positions, the king or rook (but not both) do not move during castling.
* The king may not be in check before or after castling.
* The king cannot move through check.

2.2 How to Castle

When castling on a physical board with a human player, it is recommended that the king be moved outside the playing surface next to his final position, the rook then be moved from its starting to ending position, and then the king be placed on his final square. This is always unambiguous, and is a simple rule to follow.

Eric van Reem suggests that there are other acceptable ways to castle:

* If only the rook needs to move (jumping over the king), you can simply move only the rook.
* If only the king needs to move (jumping over the castling rook), you can simply move the king.
* You can pick up both the king and rook (in either order), then place them on their final squares (this is called "transposition" castling).
* You can move the king to its final square and move the rook to its final square as two separate moves, in either order (this is called "double-move" castling). Obviously, if the rook is on the square the king will occupy you'll need to move the rook first, and if the king is on the square the rook will occupy you'll need to move the king first.

In contrast, Reinhard Scharnagl strongly recommends that, since castling is fundamentally a king's move, the king should always move first.

Generally, when playing with human player on a physical board, it's wise to announce "I'm going to castle" before castling. If you're playing a timed game, once you're done castling press the appropriate button on your chess clock to show your move has completed.

When castling using a computer interface, programs should have separate a-side (O-O-O) and h-side (O-O) castling actions (e.g., as a button or menu item). Ideally, programs should also be able to detect a king or rook move that cannot be anything other than a castling move and consider that a castling move.

When using an electronic board, to castle you should remove the king, remove the castling rook, place the castling rook on its new position, and then place the king on its new position. This will creates an unambiguous move for electronic boards, which often only have sensors that can detect the presence or absence of an object on each square (and cannot tell what object is on the square). Ideally, electronic boards should detect a king or rook move that can only be a castling move as well, but users should not count on this.

2.3 Castling Rule Ambiguities

Many published castling rules are unfortunately ambiguous. For example, the rules first published by Eric van Reem and chessvariants.com, as literally stated, did not specifically state that there must be vacant squares between the king and his destination except for the participating rook. As a result, those rules appeared to some to allow the king to "leap" over other pieces.

In 2003 David A. Wheeler contacted many active in Fischer Random Chess to determine the exact castling rules, including Eric van Reem, Hans-Walter Schmitt, and R. Scharnagl. All agreed that there must be vacant squares between the king and his destination except for the participating rook, clarifying the castling rules.

Desmond
09-02-2009, 01:52 PM
Thanks

Desmond
28-02-2009, 08:23 AM
Is Kaitlin around? I think she is pretty closed to timing out in our games (if not already).

Kaitlin
28-02-2009, 09:57 AM
FICs is down.. and I need it to put the moves on to see the board so I can work out a move (and I didnt mean to play so many corro games at the same time) - I thought the other corro tourney was cancelled but then suddenly it started :(

Kaitlin
28-02-2009, 11:49 AM
FICs is still down :(

Kevin Bonham
28-02-2009, 03:19 PM
Is Kaitlin around? I think she is pretty closed to timing out in our games (if not already).

As this tournament has a ten day per move limit I think she has until 2 March 2:08 pm to move in Boris-Kaitlin, and various times on 3 March or in some cases later to move in her other games. That is unless she is over on any on the 14 days +3 days rule, which would surprise me.

I believe she has timed out in all but one of her games in CC tournament #8, which is not particularly surprising given thast she did not publicly confirm she was able to play both tournaments at once.

Desmond
28-02-2009, 05:17 PM
As this tournament has a ten day per move limit I think she has until 2 March 2:08 pm to move in Boris-Kaitlin, and various times on 3 March or in some cases later to move in her other games. That is unless she is over on any on the 14 days +3 days rule, which would surprise me.Must be pretty darn close in the game Boris-Kaitlin where Kaitlin has made only 3 moves in 21 days, and all my responses to her were posted in less than an hour.

Kevin Bonham
28-02-2009, 09:33 PM
Must be pretty darn close in the game Boris-Kaitlin where Kaitlin has made only 3 moves in 21 days, and all my responses to her were posted in less than an hour.

Probably a good time to stress the importance of organisers clarifying the time control where there are addons. After all, if the addon is after the move then a player has to play their first 4 moves in 23 days, but if it is added on before then they have 26 days to reach move 4.

Kevin Bonham
01-03-2009, 11:23 PM
As this tournament has a ten day per move limit I think she has until 2 March 2:08 pm to move in Boris-Kaitlin, and various times on 3 March or in some cases later to move in her other games.

When I said that I had not noticed she had timed out in Kaitlin-Garrett; in fact before Boris's post above.

Desmond
04-03-2009, 12:30 PM
I am claiming timeouts by Kaitlin in both our games.

Kevin Bonham
05-03-2009, 01:22 AM
I'll assume the arbiter agrees these timeouts have occurred and indicate them in the thread titles unless I hear otherwise by next time I'm on.

CameronD
05-03-2009, 08:30 AM
I'll assume the arbiter agrees these timeouts have occurred and indicate them in the thread titles unless I hear otherwise by next time I'm on.

I agree, just a bit busy to figure out how to change the title right now.

Kevin Bonham
05-03-2009, 09:58 PM
I agree, just a bit busy to figure out how to change the title right now.

You can't; mods can, not sure about premium users.

Desmond
15-03-2009, 11:04 AM
CameronD has defaulted on time in both our games.

Thanks to Garrett for our games.

The rest of the tournament has been a joke.

Garrett
15-03-2009, 06:24 PM
CameronD has defaulted on time in both our games.

Thanks to Garrett for our games.

The rest of the tournament has been a joke.

Yes thanks for the games Boris, congratulations on winning the tournament :clap: .

I was happy to draw my game with black against you as at the time I thought I may have been able to win the white game.

The rest of my games timed out today. Disappointing.

Kevin Bonham
15-03-2009, 09:45 PM
The rest of the tournament has been a joke.

I totally agree and it is especially shoddy form for CameronD having set himself up as organiser of the tournament to overstep on time in every single game, so early in the game, without notifying opponents of any problems, even though the time limit was ten days a move, and while being online in this time (including in the last few days).

If you make a commitment to organise something you should make a better effort to remember what is going on and stick at it. Garvin has organised several of these now and I'm pretty sure he's never timed out once in any of his games. The odd timeout is excusable and could happen to the best of us but something like this is just ridiculous.

I will take a lot of convincing to allow Cameron to run another CC tournament after this flop. :hmm: