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20-10-2008, 10:30 PM
can the number of moves one can analyse ahead predict one's rating?
any views?
cheers Charles

Miranda
20-10-2008, 10:53 PM
hm...
well, depends how you look at it.

beginners see what, 1 or 2 moves ahead
average people might see 3 or 4
and then GMs.... well, who knows!

but there's a lot of levels inbetween that see the same moves ahead, it's just seeing tactics ect...

eclectic
20-10-2008, 11:06 PM
hm...
well, depends how you look at it.

beginners see what, 1 or 2 moves ahead
average people might see 3 or 4
and then GMs.... well, who knows!

but there's a lot of levels inbetween that see the same moves ahead, it's just seeing tactics ect...

when asked how many moves ahead he looked alekhine is reported to have replied "only one; the correct one"

Kevin Bonham
20-10-2008, 11:08 PM
I'm sure there is a broad corellation but other factors would be important - primarily:

* the speed with which one sees X moves ahead
* ability to manage time (slightly less important with increments)
* understanding of opening principles and intuitive grasp of opening play
* "match toughness"

Rincewind
20-10-2008, 11:39 PM
I'm sure there is a broad corellation but other factors would be important - primarily:

* the speed with which one sees X moves ahead
* ability to manage time (slightly less important with increments)
* understanding of opening principles and intuitive grasp of opening play
* "match toughness"

I would add to that positional knowledge and endgame knowledge/technique.

Spiny Norman
21-10-2008, 06:43 AM
pattern recognition ...

Trent Parker
21-10-2008, 07:13 AM
I can see over ten moves in advance... in a simple pawn endgame... :D

21-10-2008, 09:32 AM
the accuracy of what one sees so many moves ahead is another factor.

Kevin Bonham
21-10-2008, 09:40 AM
I can see over ten moves in advance... in a simple pawn endgame... :D

In rare cases I have seen well into double figures ahead in incredibly wild tactics but at other times I've failed to calculate three or even two moves ahead in positions that are really not that tricky.

Desmond
21-10-2008, 09:58 AM
can the number of moves one can analyse ahead predict one's rating?
any views?
cheers CharlesSpeed and accuracy of assessing the positions is probably just as, if not more, important.

21-10-2008, 10:53 AM
seeing unusual/counterintuitive moves is also a factor

Capablanca-Fan
21-10-2008, 11:51 AM
Frank Marshall, IIRC, also pointed out attention. I.e. many could solve a combination from a book position, because you know to look for one. But this is different from OTB where no one is telling you (or should be telling you!) that you have a combination.

Miranda
21-10-2008, 12:35 PM
Yeah, I think it's just difficult to define exact situations.

Aaron Guthrie
21-10-2008, 02:15 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if there is literature on this in the chess psychology literature.

Ivanchuk_Fan
21-10-2008, 02:37 PM
can the number of moves one can analyse ahead predict one's rating?
any views?
cheers Charles

It is well-known that Grandmasters do not actually calculate much further than amateurs during a tournament game (although they have the ability to), but are able to calculate much more accurately and efficiently, with a more precise evaluation of the position.