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Kevin Bonham
14-09-2008, 10:06 PM
http://chess.liverating.org/
Supplanted by www.2700chess.com


The Live Top List is an unofficial chess rating list that intends to cover all players with a current, live rating above 2700 in the FIDE rating system. The official FIDE list is published 4 times each year, while this list is updated and published as games and tournaments are being played, typically with daily updates during tournaments featuring top players.

There is so much discussion about the "live top list" that it seems that for some it has now taken over from the official FIDE list issued every three months. [EDIT 2012: FIDE now issue monthly.] This is not surprising given that tennis and golf update world ratings weekly; the slow pace of chess doing so creates a natural gap for something like the Live Top List to move into. At the same time, the Live Top List itself is somewhat anachronistic, because while it updates immediately, its updates are based on opponent ratings that can be up to three months old, so it is bound to be less predictively accurate than a system fully updated more often, except for its ability to predict player's next FIDE rating, all else being equal.

The Live Top List started on April 23 this year. I will attempt to update this post on an ongoing basis to reflect a full history of changes of occupant of the "live #1 rating" since then, together with the rating of the new "live #1" at the time they gained that rating.

The current chopping and changing in my view reflects the present post-Kasparov "interregnum" in world chess strength at the top, a situation that may well last until Carlsen (or some other young gun) gets strong enough to move clear of the previous generation.

23 April 2008: Anand 2798.1
24 Aug 2008: Morozevich 2798.9
25 Aug 2008: Anand 2798.0
5 Sep 2008: Carlsen 2791.3
10 Sep 2008: Ivanchuk 2791.3
13 Sep 2008: Topalov 2790.6
14 Nov 2009: Carlsen 2805.7
19 Feb 2010: Topalov 2814.7
23 Feb 2010: Carlsen 2812.9
24 April 2010: Topalov 2816.9
25 April 2010: Carlsen 2813.0
10 Oct 2010: Anand 2804.7
20 Oct 2010: Carlsen 2805.0
22 Oct 2010: Anand 2808.3 (tied with Carlsen)
23 Oct 2010: Carlsen 2806.8
08 Dec 2010: Anand 2807.5
09 Dec 2010: Carlsen 2808.8
10 Dec 2010: Anand 2810.0
14 Dec 2010: Carlsen 2810.3
15 Jan 2011: Anand 2814.1
11 June 2011: Carlsen 2819.4

The highest live rating yet recorded is by Carlsen, 2889.2, on 21 April 2014 (Kasparov's peak was probably 2856.7 or 2855.9, depending on method and Kasparov's peak official rating was 2851).

Kevin Bonham
12-09-2009, 09:33 PM
Well, so much for that "chopping and changing". Topalov, now with a live rating of 2813, will complete an uninterrupted year at the top tomorrow. He leads Anand by 25 points with Aronian threatening to move into second.

Kevin Bonham
15-11-2009, 07:50 PM
Carlsen to #1, leading Topalov by .6 of a point. Topalov had been #1 uninterrupted for 14 months and 1 day.

Kevin Bonham
20-02-2010, 11:11 PM
Topalov has just recaptured the lead.

Kevin Bonham
27-04-2010, 11:42 PM
With Carlsen and Topalov so close, Topalov took the lead by winning game 1 against Anand then lost it back by losing game 2.

ER
28-04-2010, 03:37 PM
what's the position after last night's draw?

Kevin Bonham
28-04-2010, 03:50 PM
It hasn't had its daily update yet but Topalov may fall a fraction of a point further behind since Anand was marginally lower-rated than him at the start of this period. Topalov will not gain from any draws, but if he gets a win before Anand does he will retake the lead.

ER
28-04-2010, 04:14 PM
It hasn't had its daily update yet but Topalov may fall a fraction of a point further behind since Anand was marginally lower-rated than him ...)
Yes, I was expecting that just wanted to make sure, thanks!

Kevin Bonham
11-10-2010, 01:08 PM
After almost six months at the top with a peak of 2827.3, Carlsen has dropped below 2800 on the LTL with a shocker in the Olympiad and losses in the first two rounds of Bilbao, and hands over the Live #1 position to World Champion Anand.

antichrist
11-10-2010, 01:12 PM
After almost six months at the top with a peak of 2827.3, Carlsen has dropped below 2800 on the LTL with a shocker in the Olympiad and losses in the first two rounds of Bilbao, and hands over the Live #1 position to World Champion Anand.

No Tiger Woods-like scandal to bring him down has there?

Tony Dowden
11-10-2010, 06:25 PM
After almost six months at the top with a peak of 2827.3, Carlsen has dropped below 2800 on the LTL with a shocker in the Olympiad and losses in the first two rounds of Bilbao, and hands over the Live #1 position to World Champion Anand.

Ironically this dip in form (or loss of focus) could be the spur Carlsen needs to become more single-minded and do what it takes to win the world title.

ER
11-10-2010, 07:20 PM
Go Alexei! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Tony Dowden
21-10-2010, 12:54 PM
I see Levon Aronian has just crashed through the 2800 barrier :clap: :clap: :clap:

I wonder if as an Armenian he is extra motivated to do well and stay ahead of the Azeri troika?

Garvinator
21-10-2010, 01:08 PM
I see Levon Aronian has just crashed through the 2800 barrier :clap: :clap: :clap:
With rating inflation, another 10 players will be in the 2800's in the next few years.

antichrist
21-10-2010, 04:06 PM
But the Gold Coast chess mob is upset that when he visited GC he never popped in to say "Hi - ow you goin - would you like a simul"

Kevin Bonham
21-10-2010, 06:59 PM
I see Levon Aronian has just crashed through the 2800 barrier :clap: :clap: :clap:

And has overtaken Anand, which would have been good enough for #1 except that Carlsen has also done so thus reclaiming the top spot.

Tony Dowden
23-10-2010, 01:39 PM
Now Anand and Carlsen are on level pegging at 2808.3 with Aronian on 2802.2

And the way Kramnik has been playing recently he should also (re)join the 2800 club quite soon

jhughes
24-10-2010, 02:30 PM
Carlsen is outright leader again; on 2806,8

Igor_Goldenberg
26-10-2010, 09:01 AM
With rating inflation, another 10 players will be in the 2800's in the next few years.
With FIDE lowering the floor inflation might eventually stop.
There is still not much place in the 2800+ territory, they can only get there by knocking someone else off.

Kevin Bonham
02-11-2010, 05:21 PM
Nanjing didn't make it in to the official November FIDE list so Anand is the new official #1 even though he is no longer the unofficial live #1 and has only been the live #1 for 11 days (one of those tied) in the past six months.

Kevin Bonham
13-12-2010, 12:26 AM
With Anand, Carlsen and Aronian very close at the top the order has been changing a lot with the first two playing in London.

Over four consecutive days the order was as follows:

* Carlsen, Anand, Aronian
* Anand, Aronian, Carlsen
* Carlsen, Aronian, Anand
* Anand, Aronian, Carlsen

Max Illingworth
15-12-2010, 04:37 PM
According to my calculations, Carlsen will overtake Anand on the live ratings once Round 6 of the London Chess Classic is processed.

Carlsen's current rating (including R6) is 2810.3, whereas Anand's (inc. R6) is 2810.1.

Karjakin is also moving up the live ratings with a strong performance in the Russian Championships.

Tony Dowden
07-04-2011, 08:48 PM
Does anyone know what has happened to the (supposedly) 'live' rating on htpp://chess.liverating.org/ ?

Hans Arild Runde hasn't up-dated since Feb 23.

Kevin Bonham
01-05-2011, 11:08 PM
Still not updated. (I didn't see Tony's post above til now).

Max Illingworth
01-05-2011, 11:38 PM
Still not updated. (I didn't see Tony's post above til now).

According to ChessVibes, Hans Arild-Runde has been extremely busy in the last few months and hasn't been able to update his live ratings.

Kevin Bonham
26-05-2011, 03:28 AM
The site is now being updated again. Anand has remained #1 throughout the break.

Tony Dowden
28-05-2011, 01:51 PM
Thanks Kevin,

I'm impressed to see that Nakamura is still rising through the ranks.

Kevin Bonham
12-06-2011, 11:19 PM
I'm assuming Carlsen went to live #1 after beating Nakamura last night - site not yet updated.

Kevin Bonham
13-06-2011, 03:22 PM
^^^
He did.

Kevin Bonham
26-07-2011, 07:21 PM
A new site http://www.2700chess.com/ is currently more up to date than the original LTL site.

Craig_Hall
26-07-2011, 07:52 PM
Advisor: Dr. Christopher Wright IA - good to see a kiwi involved :).

Kevin Bonham
09-08-2011, 02:59 AM
Judit Polgar has just entered the list at 2700.7 in 46th place. But this shows how rapidly the number of players who are live 2700+ is increasing. When the Live Top List started in 2008 there were only 27 players rated 2700+.

Max Illingworth
09-08-2011, 04:45 AM
Judit Polgar has just entered the list at 2700.7 in 46th place. But this shows how rapidly the number of players who are live 2700+ is increasing. When the Live Top List started in 2008 there were only 27 players rated 2700+.

I wonder if the larger number of players rated over 2700 is the result of FIDE ratings inflating or that humans are steadily becoming stronger at chess. I used to believe it was the former but now I strongly suspect the latter.

Kevin Bonham
09-08-2011, 01:33 PM
I wonder if the larger number of players rated over 2700 is the result of FIDE ratings inflating or that humans are steadily becoming stronger at chess. I used to believe it was the former but now I strongly suspect the latter.

It may be a bit of both. Or it may be that humans are steadily becoming stronger at chess and the rating system is mirroring this, but humans becoming stronger is not the reason the rating system is doing so.

One thing I wonder is this: suppose a rating system was stable under conditions of stable playing strength and then the average playing strength started improving: would the system actually pick this up? I think it would if the improvement came in the form of young players improving to a greater strength than players who were ageing, with the latter not improving. But if everyone improved at the same time it might not notice.

There is a page I have linked to here before: http://members.shaw.ca/redwards1/ which shows that apparent inflation at the top end started suddenly in late 1985-1986 after a period of stability. In the 2008 update to the piece Edwards addresses a number of explanations that were advanced (many of them also seen here).

Adamski
10-08-2011, 11:34 PM
Advisor: Dr. Christopher Wright IA - good to see a kiwi involved :).
Craig, to what is Chris the advisor? The site you linked to or FIDE Top List or ? I recall him and agree it is good to see a Kiwi involved.

Kevin Bonham
10-08-2011, 11:37 PM
He's advisor to the 2700chess site.

pappubahry
15-08-2011, 03:49 PM
I wonder if the larger number of players rated over 2700 is the result of FIDE ratings inflating or that humans are steadily becoming stronger at chess. I used to believe it was the former but now I strongly suspect the latter.
There's a recent paper by IM Ken Regan and Guy Haworth (PDF link (http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/papers/pdf/ReHa11c.pdf)) on this topic. I haven't studied the paper in any real detail and can't vouch for the soundness of the methodology. But basically they took games in the period 1976-1979 where both players' ratings were within 10 points of 2300, and got Rybka to say how good the moves were. Then they repeated this for players near 2400, 2500, 2600.

Then they did the same for the period 1991-1994, (this time looking at 2700 ratings as well) and then for 2006-2009.

The take-home result is that the quality of the moves at a given rating level has stayed approximately constant since 1976. i.e., that there are many more 2700+ players now is because humans are getting better at chess.

Kevin Bonham
15-08-2011, 04:19 PM
Very interesting. There was a similar prior example comparing playing strength through time several years back but it was widely panned on the grounds that the program used wasn't strong enough to comment.

My comment about the Regan and Haworth one: it is including moves from move 9 onwards. Very many games at the level studied would go much deeper into known theory than move 8.

So it is quite possible that what the study is really picking up is that players these days have much better theoretical knowledge as a result of computer analysis and computer-tested databases weeding out inferior lines faster. It doesn't seem to prove they are playing fresh middlegame or endgame positions any better than before.

Max Illingworth
15-10-2011, 07:07 PM
Morozevich is now back in the top ten. Carlsen's current rating of 2825.8 places him well ahead of Anand (2811.0) and Aronian (2802.4).

Kevin Bonham
26-11-2011, 04:38 PM
Aronian has gone to number 2 ahead of Anand.

Kevin Bonham
11-12-2011, 03:18 PM
In the last few weeks I have frequently edited the opening post as Carlsen continues to set new highs since the introduction of "live ratings". He is not far shy now of Kasparov's career peak published rating of 2851, though the meaning of him eclipsing it (either as a published or "live" rating) may well be debated.

Does anyone know what Kasparov's peak "live rating" would have been?

Bill Gletsos
11-12-2011, 03:50 PM
In the last few weeks I have frequently edited the opening post as Carlsen continues to set new highs since the introduction of "live ratings". He is not far shy now of Kasparov's career peak published rating of 2851, though the meaning of him eclipsing it (either as a published or "live" rating) may well be debated.

Does anyone know what Kasparov's peak "live rating" would have been?Check out the periods between Jan 1999 - Jan 2001 (peak 2851) and Oct 2002 to April 2003 (peak 2847).

The July 2000 period would seem to be the best bet when he played 35 games yet only dropped 2 rating points to 2849.

Kevin Bonham
11-12-2011, 05:32 PM
Check out the periods between Jan 1999 - Jan 2001 (peak 2851) and Oct 2002 to April 2003 (peak 2847).

The July 2000 period would seem to be the best bet when he played 35 games yet only dropped 2 rating points to 2849.

In Oct 2002-April 2003 he peaked at 2847 following the Bled Olympiad and that seems to have been his highest live rating in that time.

In the July 2000 period I am having trouble replicating the loss of 2 ratings points (I get a loss of 0.2) based on his events being Corus, Linares, a single game in the Israel Teams Champs and Sarajevo. In all he was +14=21-0 in this period.

Anyway based on the data I have his live gain peaked at 5.8 points after beating Anand in round 4 of Linares. I don't know the rounding of the 2851 so it looks like in March 2000 Kasparov had a live rating of about 2857. I haven't looked at the other periods around that time yet.

Bill Gletsos
11-12-2011, 06:16 PM
In the July 2000 period I am having trouble replicating the loss of 2 ratings points (I get a loss of 0.2) based on his events being Corus, Linares, a single game in the Israel Teams Champs and Sarajevo. In all he was +14=21-0 in this period.Remember back then FIDE used the average of the opponents ratings on a per tournament basis and did not do individual game by game calculations.

Kevin Bonham
11-12-2011, 06:36 PM
Remember back then FIDE used the average of the opponents ratings on a per tournament basis and did not do individual game by game calculations.

That would explain the slight discrepancy I got. It also raises the question of whether a comparable "live rating" should be calculated using the formula as it existed at the time, or the formula that we use now. The answer will probably not be greatly different in this case. (I get about 2855 at the same point for the old method.)

Bollard
19-01-2012, 05:34 AM
I though I'd have a look at how the players in Group A are faring so far, after 4 rounds.

Carlsen +2=2-0 has +6.2 pts (win over Aronian was quite valuable +4.6)
Aronian +3=0-1 has +8.3 pts
Radjabov +1=3-0 has +2.4 pts
Topoalov +0=4-0 has -2.4 pts
Karjakin +2=0-2 has -1.6 pts (loss to Caruana was expensive -5.5)
Nakamura +0=3-1 has -5.2 pts
Ivanchuk +0=4-0 has -0.6 pts (his draw against Carlsen was balanced by his draw against Van Wely)
Caruana +1=3-0 has +7.7 pts
Gashimov +0=3-1 has -5.3 pts
Gelfand +0=3-1 has -4.8 pts (loss to Giri was expensive -5.3)
Giri +1=2-1 has +2.5 pts
Kamsky +0=3-1 has -3.7 pts
Navara +0=2-2 has -3.2 pts
Van Wely +0=4-0 has +3.7 (my own calc as he's not on the live list >2700)

Source: www.2700chess.com

Kevin Bonham
31-07-2012, 06:43 PM
Carlsen has just set a new high after beating Wang Hao in round seven of Biel. He is at 2842.8, 0.2 points above his previous highest. Carlsen has now been live #1 for over a year though Aronian came close to passing him at times.

Kevin Bonham
03-12-2012, 12:35 PM
Carlsen 2855.7, ahead of Kasparov's record published rating.

Kevin Bonham
05-12-2012, 04:17 PM
Chessbase is now saying that Carlsen's 2857.4 is the highest live rating ever. They do not give a figure for Kasparov's peak live rating.

Max Illingworth
05-12-2012, 07:16 PM
Kasparov's peak was calculated to be 2856.4.

Kevin Bonham
05-12-2012, 07:54 PM
Kasparov's peak was calculated to be 2856.4.

There is a calculation in a table in the comments to this article (http://www.sjakk.origo.no/-/bulletin/show/758237_kasparovs-hoeyeste-liverating?ref=checkpoint) (in Norwegian) that gives either 2856.7 or 2855.9 depending on calculation method. It seems that 2856.7 has been widely adopted. (They picked the same point as I did - after his 2000 win against Anand in Linares).

Max Illingworth
05-12-2012, 08:13 PM
Right, so my memory was off by .3 of a rating point.

Kevin Bonham
08-12-2012, 08:22 PM
Kramnik has just moved into second place, 0.5 ahead of Aronian and a mere 55.7 behind Carlsen.

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2013, 02:01 PM
I'm continually having to edit the first post as Carlsen keeps breaking his own live rating record. That said wins over the bunnies at Tata Steel are only worth about 2 points apiece for him now!

Kevin Bonham
03-02-2014, 11:42 PM
After nearly a year Carlsen has set another new live rating record.

Desmond
05-02-2014, 07:50 PM
It's amazing to think Carlsen is outrating the likes of Anand, Topalov, Kramnik etc by 100 points.

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2014, 01:46 PM
Caruana has now gone to 2843.5 (at one stage 2843.8), less than 20 points behind Carlsen and higher than anyone has been bar Carlsen and Kasparov. He scored 5/6 in the European Club Cup.

MichaelBaron
22-09-2014, 07:20 PM
Caruana has now gone to 2843.5 (at one stage 2843.8), less than 20 points behind Carlsen and higher than anyone has been bar Carlsen and Kasparov. He scored 5/6 in the European Club Cup.

Anand is also on the rise.

Kevin Bonham
08-02-2015, 07:25 AM
Hou Yifan overtook Polgar (who has retired) as the highest live-rated female player on 28 Jan 2015.

antichrist
15-02-2015, 09:56 PM
I though I'd have a look at how the players in Group A are faring so far, after 4 rounds.

Carlsen +2=2-0 has +6.2 pts (win over Aronian was quite valuable +4.6)
Aronian +3=0-1 has +8.3 pts
Radjabov +1=3-0 has +2.4 pts
Topoalov +0=4-0 has -2.4 pts
Karjakin +2=0-2 has -1.6 pts (loss to Caruana was expensive -5.5)
Nakamura +0=3-1 has -5.2 pts
Ivanchuk +0=4-0 has -0.6 pts (his draw against Carlsen was balanced by his draw against Van Wely)
Caruana +1=3-0 has +7.7 pts
Gashimov +0=3-1 has -5.3 pts
Gelfand +0=3-1 has -4.8 pts (loss to Giri was expensive -5.3)
Giri +1=2-1 has +2.5 pts
Kamsky +0=3-1 has -3.7 pts
Navara +0=2-2 has -3.2 pts
Van Wely +0=4-0 has +3.7 (my own calc as he's not on the live list >2700)

Source: www.2700chess.com

If there are no females amongst these players than chess is certainly a male-dominated game - must put down to family commitments in most cases

Kevin Bonham
15-02-2015, 11:14 PM
If there are no females amongst these players than chess is certainly a male-dominated game - must put down to family commitments in most cases

Last bit there is a load of clueless rubbish as usual from you on such subjects. If male domination of top-level chess was mainly caused by women having family commitments then at high-school ages when women do not have such commitments, the genders would be significantly closer to even. They're not. There are currently only four girls in the top 100 juniors and the highest of these is #72. In fact the top two females are slightly higher than that on the overall lists at the moment.

The fact is that women who become very strong chess players often either defer having a family (if they were interested in the first place) or else continue playing strong chess as parents as Polgar (albeit now retired in her late 30s) and Kosteniuk among others have done.

antichrist
17-02-2015, 12:30 AM
Last bit there is a load of clueless rubbish as usual from you on such subjects. If male domination of top-level chess was mainly caused by women having family commitments then at high-school ages when women do not have such commitments, the genders would be significantly closer to even. They're not. There are currently only four girls in the top 100 juniors and the highest of these is #72. In fact the top two females are slightly higher than that on the overall lists at the moment.

The fact is that women who become very strong chess players often either defer having a family (if they were interested in the first place) or else continue playing strong chess as parents as Polgar (albeit now retired in her late 30s) and Kosteniuk among others have done.

If one is interested in having more female participation taking on your explanation then the problem is more serious. Outside of the USSR and Republic of China where chess is state run for decades from what I see there is no female equality in any form in chess. Is it a combination of nature and nurture? That includes some male youth not being gender inclusive in junior chess. As I can't be trusted to work out anything do you have the explanation?

Kevin Bonham
17-02-2015, 07:33 PM
Is it a combination of nature and nurture? That includes some male youth not being gender inclusive in junior chess. As I can't be trusted to work out anything do you have the explanation?

I think it is largely a result of a combination of nurture and a range of social issues. A higher proportion of girls are good players at primary level than by the end of highschool. During highschool they often drop out either because of peer pressure or "only girl syndrome". There is some "nature" argument that strong male juniors accelerate in strength faster around the onset of puberty, but that goes nowhere near explaining the disparities (which are well developed even before that age).

Kevin Bonham
17-02-2015, 07:35 PM
Grischuk has moved to #2 on the live rating list - not sure if it's the first time he's been there - and is 50.3 behind Carlsen.

In recent days, Grischuk, Nakamura and Giri have all recorded career highs.

Desmond
17-02-2015, 07:43 PM
Geez Caruana has fallen a long way in just a few months.

MichaelBaron
23-02-2015, 01:31 AM
Geez Caruana has fallen a long way in just a few months.

Note that top 10 playrs are mostly 2780+ now as opposed to 2760+ some months ago...but top 5 has lower average rating than before...the gap is closing

Kevin Bonham
20-04-2015, 12:19 PM
After his loss to Carlsen in the Gashimov Memorial, Caruana has dropped below live 2800, leaving only Carlsen above that mark and leading Nakamura by 70.4 points. This is the largest gap between first and second I can recall recently.

Kaitlin
20-04-2015, 12:29 PM
Has anyone got to or been close to 3000 ?

Kevin Bonham
20-04-2015, 12:31 PM
Has anyone got to or been close to 3000 ?

No. The record is by Carlsen, 2889.2. I update the record in post 1 of this thread when it changes.

James Peirce
20-04-2015, 02:04 PM
After his loss to Carlsen in the Gashimov Memorial, Caruana has dropped below live 2800, leaving only Carlsen above that mark and leading Nakamura by 70.4 points. This is the largest gap between first and second I can recall recently.
I am guessing Fischer 1st Spassky 2nd in about 1976 isn't recent enough.(Was about 90ish points from memory)

Kevin Bonham
20-04-2015, 02:17 PM
I am guessing Fischer 1st Spassky 2nd in about 1976 isn't recent enough.(Was about 90ish points from memory)

Fischer led by 125 points in July 1972 and Kasparov led by 82 in January 2000.

The highest published rating lead I can find for Carlsen is 72 points in July and August last year, which is more recently than I remembered!

ER
20-04-2015, 02:28 PM
Speaking of Fischer, GM Gufeld had claimed in his lecture at the then VCA (Elizabeth St. Melbourne) in the mid 1980s that the American had actually lost rating points as a result of his 1972 WC match versus Spassky. However, the popular late GM had his tongue firmly on cheek in many occasions when he told (numerous) stories about the international chess scene! (I still have somewhere an autographed copy of his "Mona Lisa" as he called his ultra sacrificial 1973 King's Indian Defence victory versus GM(*) Bagirov's Samisch Variation.
(*)To be fair to Vladimir Bagirov, he was only an IM - he became a GM 5 years after the said game, whereas Edward Gufeld was already a GM at the time!

Bill Gletsos
20-04-2015, 02:58 PM
Speaking of Fischer, GM Gufeld had claimed in his lecture at the then VCA (Elizabeth St. Melbourne) in the mid 1980s that the American had actually lost rating points as a result of his 1972 WC match versus Spassky.That is correct. Fischer dropped 5 rating points from 2785 to 2780.

ER
20-04-2015, 05:59 PM
That is correct. Fischer dropped 5 rating points from 2785 to 2780.
Thanks Bill!

Kevin Bonham
26-06-2015, 10:32 AM
Carlsen went into Norway Chess with a 71-point live rating lead over Caruana. He comes out with a 37.2 point lead over Anand, with Caruana now fifth.

MichaelBaron
28-06-2015, 01:14 AM
Speaking of Fischer, GM Gufeld had claimed in his lecture at the then VCA (Elizabeth St. Melbourne) in the mid 1980s that the American had actually lost rating points as a result of his 1972 WC match versus Spassky. However, the popular late GM had his tongue firmly on cheek in many occasions when he told (numerous) stories about the international chess scene! (I still have somewhere an autographed copy of his "Mona Lisa" as he called his ultra sacrificial 1973 King's Indian Defence victory versus GM(*) Bagirov's Samisch Variation.
(*)To be fair to Vladimir Bagirov, he was only an IM - he became a GM 5 years after the said game, whereas Edward Gufeld was already a GM at the time!

Not sure if collection of Sosonko's essays about chess players is available in English but I have read (online) the Russian language version of the book. In his essay on Gufeld, he described the late GM as someone who was not very ''clean'' in his dealings with fellow chess-players. I must also add that it was well-known that many of the Gufeld's books (e.g. the one on the Dragon variation) were written by others

ER
28-06-2015, 12:21 PM
Not sure if collection of Sosonko's essays about chess players is available in English but I have read (online) the Russian language version of the book. In his essay on Gufeld, he described the late GM as someone who was not very ''clean'' in his dealings with fellow chess-players. I must also add that it was well-known that many of the Gufeld's books (e.g. the one on the Dragon variation) were written by others

I have two of GM Genna Sosonko's books, which unfortunately haven't read yet.
they are
this

2925

and this
2926

I will do read them at some stage when I reduce travelling and take chess studying more eagerly.

Maybe you (and GM Sosonko) are correct in regards to the author's opinion (*) about the late GM Gufeld.

However he (Gufeld) was also correct about Fischer losing points as a result to his WCC match versus Spasky in 1972, (as was also confirmed by Bill)!

(*) An opinion also shared by the English GM David Norwood.

Kevin Bonham
31-07-2016, 06:41 PM
Vachier-Lagrave has gone to live world #2 and is presumably about to come out as world #2 on the actual rating list.

Adamski
31-07-2016, 09:52 PM
Vachier-Lagrave has gone to live world #2 and is presumably about to come out as world #2 on the actual rating list.

He has certainly surged this year.

MichaelBaron
03-08-2016, 11:20 AM
Vachier-Lagrave has gone to live world #2 and is presumably about to come out as world #2 on the actual rating list.

According to chessbase.com here earned 96 points in one year! Another interesting trend is that the Chinese players appeared to be sloweding down at least a little.

MichaelBaron
07-08-2016, 01:48 PM
Finally! The drawing master Giri is out of top 10!

Kevin Bonham
23-01-2017, 10:03 AM
Carlsen's lead is in danger after his loss to Rapport. He is 8.6 ahead of Caruana and 19.3 ahead of So.

Kevin Bonham
15-06-2017, 09:55 PM
Six years on top but Carlsen's live #1 is in serious danger now with Kramnik 4.4 behind, Wesley So 8.1 and a resurgent Aronian 10.3.

Kevin Bonham
27-01-2018, 12:29 AM
Mamedyarov has gone to #2. Not sure exactly how many different #2s Carlsen has had in his 6+ years on top continuously but it's been quite a few.

Ian Rout
27-01-2018, 12:22 PM
Mamedyarov has gone to #2. Not sure exactly how many different #2s Carlsen has had in his 6+ years on top continuously but it's been quite a few.After Carlsen the next eight are Mamedyarov, So, Vachier-Lagrave, Aronian, Kramnik, Caruana, Nakamura and Anand. I'm reasonably sure from memory that they've all been number 2 in the mid-past, along with Topalov. All of which shows that following minor perturbations in ratings doesn't teach you much about chess, it's like reading Facebook for current affairs.

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2018, 02:03 AM
Caruana 4.5 points below Carlsen after beating Mamedyarov in the Olympiad.

Metro
16-10-2018, 04:10 PM
Caruana 4.5 points below Carlsen after beating Mamedyarov in the Olympiad.
Only 4.3 points now.Can Fabi catch him?
I can recall when one of Magnus' quick ratings was not no.1 and he said it bothered him a bit.

Kevin Bonham
16-10-2018, 04:53 PM
Only 4.3 points now.Can Fabi catch him?
I can recall when one of Magnus' quick ratings was not no.1 and he said it bothered him a bit.

Yes, he's recently said being rated #1 is more important to him than the World Championship (!) but I'm not sure if that applies to live ratings or just the official published ratings.

Kevin Bonham
16-10-2018, 05:56 PM
Carlsen black against Mamedyarov tonight.

Desmond
20-10-2018, 02:59 PM
Carlsen maintaining #1 by just 2.4 points at the moment.

Kevin Bonham
20-10-2018, 08:38 PM
Carlsen maintaining #1 by just 2.4 points at the moment.

Which means if he loses the lead in the match with Caruana, he'll lose live #1, which might have an extra impact on him.

Kevin Bonham
15-01-2019, 02:41 PM
Carlsen only 3.8 points in front of Caruana; he has lost 3.2 points by drawing games at Tata Steel already. Soon he will have to either win a game or lose his lead.

Metro
16-01-2019, 01:34 PM
Nepo.is now on 2775 .

MichaelBaron
18-01-2019, 09:58 PM
Despite yesterday's victory, Magnus is still one loss away from losing top spot on the Live rating list.

Kevin Bonham
19-01-2019, 05:43 AM
A bit more comfortable now after beating Mamedyarov.

MichaelBaron
22-01-2019, 03:46 PM
A bit more comfortable now after beating Mamedyarov.

Also, Nepo is now in top 10 while Kramnik is booming out.

Kevin Bonham
10-06-2019, 07:31 PM
Gawain Jones has gone over live 2700 now.

Desmond
13-08-2019, 03:41 PM
Carlsen has dropped to #2 in rapid to MVL, following a not-so-great performance in St Louis.

Desmond
18-08-2019, 12:05 AM
And dropped to #2 in the blitz ratings as well.

MichaelBaron
19-08-2019, 12:58 AM
The only rating that matters is the Standard one. And Magnus is now faced with the challenge of beating his own...to record highest ever!

Desmond
27-08-2019, 10:28 AM
Carlsen's decline in the Rapid and Blitz lists has been followed by one in the Standard, where in Sinquefield he has drawn his way to a 13.5 point decline, down from a 5 year high.

Desmond
11-01-2020, 09:08 AM
Carlsen has regained #1 in rapid (2881) and is 21 points ahead of MVL (2860).

Still #2 in Blitz (2887) behind Naka (2900!).

Kevin Bonham
27-01-2020, 11:36 AM
First time in a while that the gap 2-3 has been larger than the gap 1-2, following Caruana's win in Tata Steel.

Desmond
04-01-2021, 07:58 PM
The top 10 is currently comprised of only 3 players in their 20s, and the other 7 in their 30s. Carlsen, MVL and Nepo all ticked over to 30. Must be the first time for quite a while with so few 20-somethings.

Metro
06-01-2021, 03:24 AM
The one to watch is Alireza Firouzja.At 17 he is 2749 and easily the youngest in the top 20.From Iran he has moved to France.
Wei Yi of China at 21 was described as a prodigy but has not improved in the past 3 years (looking at his rating data).

Desmond
06-01-2021, 01:44 PM
The one to watch is Alireza Firouzja.At 17 he is 2749 and easily the youngest in the top 20.From Iran he has moved to France.Yes agreed the most exciting youg talent coming through. TIme will tell if he's the next Carlsen or the next Giri :) hoping the former.


Wei Yi of China at 21 was described as a prodigy but has not improved in the past 3 years (looking at his rating data).Duda is the other obvious choice for players who could be in the top 10 pretty soon. But even assuming all 3 of these do, it's still short of what we had say 8 years ago (https://web.archive.org/web/20130114220320/https://2700chess.com/).

Scott Colliver
07-01-2021, 08:16 AM
Yes agreed the most exciting youg talent coming through. TIme will tell if he's the next Carlsen or the next Giri :) hoping the former.

Duda is the other obvious choice for players who could be in the top 10 pretty soon. But even assuming all 3 of these do, it's still short of what we had say 8 years ago (https://web.archive.org/web/20130114220320/https://2700chess.com/).

Giri is only 1 point outside the top 10, a good Tata Steel and he could be back in the top 10.
Richard Rapport is number 13 in the world.

Desmond
07-01-2021, 10:08 AM
Giri is only 1 point outside the top 10, a good Tata Steel and he could be back in the top 10.Yeah for sure he is a solid top 10-ish player and has been for a long time, but when he was younger he showed even better promise that wasn't really fulfilled. Hopefully Alireza does live up to the hype.

Richard Rapport is number 13 in the world.
Sure, but I mean he's already 24, 25 in March. He broken into >2700 list at 18 & top 20 at age 20 but then dipped a lot. He's come back but will he go higher?

Scott Colliver
07-01-2021, 08:40 PM
Yeah for sure he is a solid top 10-ish player and has been for a long time, but when he was younger he showed even better promise that wasn't really fulfilled. Hopefully Alireza does live up to the hype.

Sure, but I mean he's already 24, 25 in March. He broken into >2700 list at 18 & top 20 at age 20 but then dipped a lot. He's come back but will he go higher?

I don't think 24 is too old to improve but he does not even need to improve as a player to get into the top 10. If his next tournament is a good one he could gain the required 6 or 7 points to get ahead of Radjabov.

He also recently won the 11 Dangzhou GM tournament, played as an online rapid event, ahead of Ding, Grischuk and Giri. He does not seem out of place against higher rated players at least at rapid.

MichaelBaron
08-01-2021, 12:31 PM
I don't think 24 is too old to improve but he does not even need to improve as a player to get into the top 10. If his next tournament is a good one he could gain the required 6 or 7 points to get ahead of Radjabov.

He also recently won the 11 Dangzhou GM tournament, played as an online rapid event, ahead of Ding, Grischuk and Giri. He does not seem out of place against higher rated players at least at rapid.

He may not need to improve to get into top 10 for a couple of months or so, but given his lack of consistency and relatively poor level of positional play when compared with the likes of Caruana, Ding and Grishuk - He still has some progress to make to turn into an elite player.

Desmond
27-01-2021, 10:42 AM
As at round 9 in Wijk aan Zee,

Giri has re-entered the top 10
MVL has crashed from #5 to #13
Firouzja is just 5 points away from entering the top 10, if he keep his level of play up, it seems likely he will make it this tournament.

Desmond
01-02-2021, 09:28 AM
Firouzja didn't win any further games so will have to wait for the next chance to enter the top 10.

van Foreest and Esipenko both join the 2700 club off great Wijk ann Zee results. Wojtaszek exits the club.

Desmond
27-02-2021, 07:05 PM
With Aronian transferring to USA, the USA can now lay claim to 4 of the top 10 rated players of all time by classical live rating. Caruana #3, Aronian #4, So #7, & Nakamura #10.

Russia has only 1 (Kasparov, #2).


1. Carlsen 2889.2 21 Apr 2014
2. Kasparov 2856.7 03 Mar 2000
3. Caruana 2851.3 08 Oct 2014
4. Aronian 2835.5 02 Feb 2014
5. Topalov 2826.5 24 Aug 2015
6. Mamedyarov 2826.2 30 Sep 2018
7. So 2824.5 01 Apr 2017
8. Anand 2820.7 26 Jan 2011
9. Vachier-Lagrave 2819.3 28 Jul 2016
10. Nakamura 2819.0 23 Aug 2015

Desmond
21-04-2021, 03:38 PM
Firouzja has moved up to #12, courtesy of Wang Hao dropping points.
Giri moves up to #5, by his own hand.
Alekseenko moves above 2700.

MichaelBaron
01-05-2021, 08:43 PM
With Aronian transferring to USA, the USA can now lay claim to 4 of the top 10 rated players of all time by classical live rating. Caruana #3, Aronian #4, So #7, & Nakamura #10.

Russia has only 1 (Kasparov, #2).


1. Carlsen 2889.2 21 Apr 2014
2. Kasparov 2856.7 03 Mar 2000
3. Caruana 2851.3 08 Oct 2014
4. Aronian 2835.5 02 Feb 2014
5. Topalov 2826.5 24 Aug 2015
6. Mamedyarov 2826.2 30 Sep 2018
7. So 2824.5 01 Apr 2017
8. Anand 2820.7 26 Jan 2011
9. Vachier-Lagrave 2819.3 28 Jul 2016
10. Nakamura 2819.0 23 Aug 2015

Nepo is not on the top 10 list.

Desmond
01-05-2021, 09:16 PM
Nepo is not on the top 10 list.

Correct, he is currently #17 on that particular list.

MichaelBaron
02-05-2021, 06:42 PM
Correct, he is currently #17 on that particular list.

hm...makes me doubt accuracy of the ratings...as he is quite good in both Rapid and Blitz

Bill Gletsos
02-05-2021, 07:20 PM
hm...makes me doubt accuracy of the ratings...as he is quite good in both Rapid and BlitzIt’s based on classical ratings. As such how is his Rapid or Blitz strength relevant.

Desmond
20-07-2021, 09:22 AM
With his loss at the world cup, Caruana has exited the 2800 club, and lost his world #2 spot to Ding. The gap between Magnus and #2 is now over 55 points.

Karjakin has re-entered the top 10.

Metro
23-07-2021, 05:35 PM
van Foreest and Esipenko both join the 2700 club off great Wijk ann Zee results. Wojtaszek exits the club.Andrey Esipenko is another one to watch,at 19 years and #26 in live ratings.He plays Dubov in round 4 of the World Cup.Can he step up?

Scott Colliver
23-07-2021, 08:18 PM
Andrey Esipenko is another one to watch.At 19 years and #26 in live ratings.He plays Dubov in round 4 of the World Cup.Can he step up?

Esipenko should have beaten Dubov in the game of their match but he blew it.

Desmond
28-07-2021, 04:24 PM
For Blitz ratings, Carlsen (2892) is closing in on Naka (3000).

MVL is up a whopping 44.8 to 2838 and #4, following GCT Zagreb Blitz tournament earlier in July.
Anand up 40.4 to 2825.4 #5 from the same tournament, not bad for an old man.

Desmond
15-08-2021, 10:58 AM
For Blitz ratings, Carlsen (2892) is closing in on Naka (3000).At the halfway point of the blitz portion in St Louis, Naka has dropped to 2892.0 also. In spite of outright first position and undefeated currently. He could well have another strong day and still drop below Magnus.

Desmond
16-08-2021, 10:33 AM
He could well have another strong day and still drop below Magnus.This has now occurred, and Magnus reclaims #1 in Blitz.

Desmond
14-09-2021, 10:18 AM
Rapport (2773) enters the top 10 with a strong performance in Norway. At 25, he's the youngest currently in the top 10, and one of 5 twenty-somethings.

Desmond
17-09-2021, 06:36 PM
As mentioned on another thread, Alireza has broken into the top 10, at age 18.