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Qbert
24-02-2008, 03:16 PM
I know this is an Australian chess forum, but I notice a lot of past & present kiwis post here so I'm hoping there will be interest in this thread :)

NZ's 17yo IM, Wang Puchen is attempting to emulate GM Zhou & GM-elect Smerdon by spending his gap-year in the hunt for GM norms in Europe and Australia. The NZ Federation is organising an appeal for financial assistance for his bid to become NZ's 2nd (& Australasia's 6th) GM, details of which can be found at http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/

So far Puchen has finished with 6/9 at the 25th Capelle la Grande international open (www.cappelle-chess.com (http://www.cappelle-chess.com)). Unfortunately a slow start (jet lag?) meant a GM norm was out of the question, but a 3/3 finish meant Puchen will gain some rating points toward the 2500 target. Since only the top boards' games are available as yet there are none of Puchen's games to post.

Next up is a 1st Saturday event in Hungary in March.

Quentin Johnson

Otago Chess Club (http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/otagochess/)

Garrett
24-02-2008, 05:23 PM
Good luck to him !

I hope he makes it !

Cheers
Garrett

pax
24-02-2008, 08:58 PM
There is no question that Puchen has GM potential. The Euwe Stimulus last year was a real turning point for him I think. I suspect GM norms might be a couple of years off yet, but a year in Europe will certainly do him no end of good in pursuit of the GM goal.

Tony Dowden
24-02-2008, 09:14 PM
There is no question that Puchen has GM potential ... I suspect GM norms might be a couple of years off yet.

I'm more optimistic - I'm definitely expecting GM norms from Puchen this year!

pax
25-02-2008, 08:50 AM
I'm more optimistic - I'm definitely expecting GM norms from Puchen this year!
I certainly hope so, but Smerdon and Zhao have showed that even with abundant talent it can take quite a while to bridge the gap from IM to GM.

Denis_Jessop
25-02-2008, 12:45 PM
Although going to Europe is a great experience all round, there is also now a lot of good chess experience against very strong opposition to be found in Asian Tournaments and Asia is much closer. It's a pity that Australians and New Zealanders have to travel at all to get that experience on a regular basis but perhaps things will change in the not too distant future.

DJ

pax
25-02-2008, 01:18 PM
Although going to Europe is a great experience all round, there is also now a lot of good chess experience against very strong opposition to be found in Asian Tournaments and Asia is much closer. It's a pity that Australians and New Zealanders have to travel at all to get that experience on a regular basis but perhaps things will change in the not too distant future.
There are plenty of strong tournaments in Asia, but not with anything like the regularity of Europe.

The surge of chess in Asia will certainly benefit Australia based players, but those looking to spend a year playing chess full time are still better served playing in Europe.

MichaelBaron
25-02-2008, 02:03 PM
I'm more optimistic - I'm definitely expecting GM norms from Puchen this year!

Since Australians are no less optimistic than New Zealanders, why not have project Monthun Ly or project Max Illingworth :hmm:

pax
25-02-2008, 02:36 PM
Since Australians are no less optimistic than New Zealanders, why not have project Monthun Ly or project Max Illingworth :hmm:
Are either of them planning to spend a year in Europe chasing norms?

MichaelBaron
25-02-2008, 04:08 PM
Are either of them planning to spend a year in Europe chasing norms?

Not sure ...but if funding is provided they may...I rate their chances of becoming a GM no lower than Puchen Wong's.

Tony_Chow
25-02-2008, 06:47 PM
As he has entered the 2008 SIO, he can try to secure a GM norm in Sydney next month!

Qbert
04-03-2008, 12:05 PM
Despite having a cold, Puchen has started with 2 draws vs 2500 opposition in Hungary (http://firstsaturday.freeweb.hu/0803/gm.htm).

By the way for those who wondered who GM Zhou was, I meant GM Zhao, of course.:doh:

pax
04-03-2008, 12:13 PM
Despite having a cold, Puchen has started with 2 draws vs 2500 opposition in Hungary (http://firstsaturday.freeweb.hu/0803/gm.htm).

By the way for those who wondered who GM Zhou was, I meant GM Zhao, of course.:doh:
14 players - that is unusual for First Saturdays isn't it?

Two draws is a good start. Then he just needs to start pounding some of these 2400s :)

Vlad
04-03-2008, 02:33 PM
Despite having a cold, Puchen has started with 2 draws vs 2500 opposition in Hungary (http://firstsaturday.freeweb.hu/0803/gm.htm).


He played both games with white pieces. Round 3 will be tougher.

Qbert
05-03-2008, 10:08 AM
He played both games with white pieces. Round 3 will be tougher.
Another draw - this time against GM Kosic (2511). here is the round 1 game.

Event: First Saturday 2008 marcius IGM
Site: Bodapest
Date: 2008.03.01
Round: 1
White: Puchen, Wang
Black: Varga, Zoltan
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: D16
WhiteElo: 2383
BlackElo: 2506
PlyCount: 40
EventDate: 2008.03.01

1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 c6 4. a4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Na6 6. e4 Bg4 7. Bxc4 Bxf3 8.
gxf3 e6 9. Be3 Nb4 10. a5 Be7 11. Rg1 O-O 12. Kf1 Kh8 13. Qd2 c5 14. dxc5 Qxd2
15. Bxd2 Rfd8 16. Be3 Nc2 17. Rc1 Nxe3+ 18. fxe3 Bxc5 19. Ke2 a6 20. Na2 Bd6
1/2-1/2

pax
05-03-2008, 01:51 PM
Another draw - this time against GM Kosic (2511). here is the round 1 game.
Do you have inside info, or are there more up to date results on the Web somewhere?

It's an excellent start.

MichaelBaron
05-03-2008, 02:31 PM
In the first saturday events, GMs get "appearance fees" but there is no prize money as such. Thus, they are usually (not all gms though) do not mind a lot of short draws

pax
05-03-2008, 05:57 PM
In the first saturday events, GMs get "appearance fees" but there is no prize money as such. Thus, they are usually (not all gms though) do not mind a lot of short draws
I don't quite see the logic.

MichaelBaron
05-03-2008, 07:08 PM
I don't quite see the logic.

Logic is simple...they have no incentive to fight hard....just take quick draws...quite a few of quick draws in the first saturday events.

Denis_Jessop
05-03-2008, 08:58 PM
Whatever the reason, it shows up in the results - only 5 decisive games of the 19 results recorded in the first three rounds (one game postponed and one blank to make up the 21).

DJ

pax
06-03-2008, 10:42 AM
Whatever the reason, it shows up in the results - only 5 decisive games of the 19 results recorded in the first three rounds (one game postponed and one blank to make up the 21).
Hmm, yes, and the four players over 2500 have drawn all their games so far.

Qbert
06-03-2008, 10:49 AM
Do you have inside info, or are there more up to date results on the Web somewhere?

It's an excellent start.

Yes to both - donors to the Project GM Puchen appeal get access to a reserved website that relays Puchen's comments about the games, his training etc. I am only posting what could be gleaned from the tournament site, but maybe a bit quicker sometimes...

If anyone is interested in supporting Puchen or just getting the inside scoop on the road to becoming a GM, then visit http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/ to sign up.

MichaelBaron
06-03-2008, 02:44 PM
Hmm, yes, and the four players over 2500 have drawn all their games so far.

I think as tournament progresses..there may be less draws. when untitled players play each other..they have a tendency (usually) to fight harder...particularly if they still have title hopes.

Qbert
06-03-2008, 06:33 PM
Another draw - this time against Canadian IM Roussel (2442). Here are the round 2 & 3 games: both good defensive efforts by Puchen after getting on the back foot.

Event: First Saturday 2008 marcius IGM
Site: Bodapest
Date: 2008.03.02
Round: 2
White: Puchen, Wang
Black: Szabo, Krisztian
Result: 1/2-1/2
WhiteElo: 2383
BlackElo: 2500
ECO: E14
PlyCount: 183
EventDate: 2008.03.01

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4. e3 b6 5. Nc3 Bb7 6. b3 Bd6 7. Bb2 O-O 8.
Bd3 Nbd7 9. O-O a6 10. Qe2 Ne4 11. Rad1 Qe7 12. Nd2 f5 13. f4 Rf6 14. Nf3
Rh6 15. Bb1 Ndf6 16. Nxe4 Nxe4 17. Bxe4 fxe4 18. Ne5 a5 19. g3 Rf6 20. Rc1
Rff8 21. Qc2 c5 22. Rfd1 Rfc8 23. Qe2 a4 24. h4 axb3 25. axb3 Ra2 26. Ra1
Rca8 27. Rxa2 Rxa2 28. Ra1 Rxa1+ 29. Bxa1 Qe8 30. Qg4 h5 31. Qg6 Qxg6 32.
Nxg6 Ba6 33. cxd5 exd5 34. dxc5 bxc5 35. Be5 Bxe5 36. Nxe5 Bb5 37. Kf2 d4
38. g4 hxg4 39. Nxg4 Kf7 40. h5 Ke6 41. h6 gxh6 42. Nxh6 Bc6 43. Ke2 Bd5
44. Ng4 Bxb3 45. Kd2 Ba4 46. Ne5 Bb5 47. Ng4 Be8 48. Ne5 Bh5 49. Nc4 Kd5
50. Nb6+ Ke6 51. Nc4 Be8 52. Ne5 Ba4 53. Ng4 Bb5 54. Ne5 Kd5 55. Ng4 Ke6
56. Ne5 Kf5 57. Nf7 Bd3 58. Nh6+ Ke6 59. Ng4 Ba6 60. Ne5 Kd5 61. Nd7 Bb7
62. Nb6+ Ke6 63. Nc4 Ba6 64. Ne5 Bb5 65. Ng4 Be8 66. Ne5 Kd5 67. Ng4 Ke6
68. Ne5 Bh5 69. Nc4 Bf3 70. Nb6 Bg2 71. Nc4 Bf1 72. Ne5 Kf5 73. Nc6 Bb5 74.
Ne7+ Kg4 75. Ng6 Kf3 76. Ne5+ Kf2 77. Ng4+ Kg3 78. Ne5 Be8 79. f5 Bh5 80.
f6 Kf2 81. Ng4+ Kf3 82. Ne5+ Kf2 83. Ng4+ Bxg4 84. f7 dxe3+ 85. Kc1 e2 86.
f8=Q+ Bf3 87. Qxc5+ e3 88. Qc2 Be4 89. Qb2 Bf5 90. Qa2 Be4 91. Qb2 Bf3 92.
Qc2
1/2-1/2

Event: First Saturday 2008 marcius IGM
Site: Bodapest
Date: 2008.03.03
Round: 3
White: Kosic, Dragan
Black: Puchen, Wang
Result: 1/2-1/2
WhiteElo: 2511
BlackElo: 2383
ECO: D10
PlyCount: 109
EventDate: 2008.03.01

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. cxd5 cxd5 4. Bf4 Nc6 5. e3 Nf6 6. Nc3 e6 7. Bd3 Bd6 8.
Bxd6 Qxd6 9. f4 a6 10. Nf3 b5 11. Ne5 Bb7 12. O-O Rc8 13. a4 b4 14. Na2 O-O
15. Qe1 a5 16. Nc1 Ne4 17. Nb3 Nxe5 18. fxe5 Qb6 19. Qh4 f5 20. exf6 Nxf6
21. Nc5 h6 22. Qg3 Rce8 23. Rac1 Bc8 24. Rc2 e5 25. Qg6 e4 26. Bb5 Re7 27.
Rcf2 Ref7 28. Rf4 Qc7 29. h3 Qd6 30. g4 Qc7 31. Kg2 Qe7 32. g5 hxg5 33.
Qxg5 Qd6 34. Qg6 Bb7 35. Nd7 Rxd7 36. Bxd7 Qxd7 37. Rxf6 Rxf6 38. Rxf6 Bc8
39. Kf2 Qxh3 40. Qe8+ Kh7 41. Qg6+ Kg8 42. Rf4 Qh2+ 43. Ke1 Qh1+ 44. Rf1
Qh4+ 45. Rf2 Bg4 46. Qd6 Bf3 47. Qxd5+ Kh8 48. Qe5 Qh1+ 49. Rf1 Qg2 50.
Qe8+ Kh7 51. Qb5 Qxb2 52. Qf5+ Kg8 53. Qc8+ Kh7 54. Qh3+ Kg8 55. Qc8+
1/2-1/2

Qbert
09-03-2008, 05:50 AM
Puchen drew his 5th game vs Spanish IM Garbisu de Goni where he held a pawn advantage for a while in a drawish ending. He gave up trying to win when he blundered the pawn - here's the game:
Event: First Saturday 2008 marcius IGM
Site: Bodapest
Date: 2008.03.05
Round: 5
White: Garbisu De Goni, Unai
Black: Puchen, Wang
Result: 1/2-1/2
WhiteElo: 2464
BlackElo: 2383
ECO: B13
PlyCount: 84
EventDate: 2008.03.01

1. e4 c6 2. c4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Nf3 Bg4
8. Bb5 Rc8 9. h3 Bh5 10. O-O e6 11. Bxc6+ bxc6 12. Na4 Be7 13. Be3 O-O 14.
Rc1 Qa5 15. b3 Rfd8 16. g4 Bg6 17. Ne5 c5 18. Bd2 Qb5 19. Nxc5 Bxc5 20.
Rxc5 Rxc5 21. dxc5 Qxc5 22. Nxg6 hxg6 23. Bg5 Rc8 24. Qd2 Qa3 25. Kg2 a5
26. Qe2 Nb4 27. Be7 Qxa2 28. Qxa2 Nxa2 29. Ra1 Nc1 30. Rxa5 Nxb3 31. Ra4
Nd2 32. Bg5 Nc4 33. Rb4 f6 34. Bc1 g5 35. Bb2 Kf7 36. Bd4 Rc6 37. Rb7+ Kg6
38. Rb4 Nd6 39. Be3 e5 40. Ra4 Rc3 41. Ra7 Nc4
{
? loses the g7-pawn
}
42. Bc5 Nb2
1/2-1/2

In the 6th round he suffered his first lost to Vietnamese IM Vinh Bui (2482) :(

Desmond
09-03-2008, 08:09 AM
Pity he dropped that g-pawn at the end. He had pretty good winning chances, although I suspect it's probably drawn with the rooks on.

Adamski
09-03-2008, 11:38 AM
Another draw - this time against GM Kosic (2511). here is the round 1 game.

Event: First Saturday 2008 marcius IGM
Site: Bodapest
Date: 2008.03.01
Round: 1
White: Puchen, Wang
Black: Varga, Zoltan
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: D16
WhiteElo: 2383
BlackElo: 2506
PlyCount: 40
EventDate: 2008.03.01

1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 c6 4. a4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Na6 6. e4 Bg4 7. Bxc4 Bxf3 8.
gxf3 e6 9. Be3 Nb4 10. a5 Be7 11. Rg1 O-O 12. Kf1 Kh8 13. Qd2 c5 14. dxc5 Qxd2
15. Bxd2 Rfd8 16. Be3 Nc2 17. Rc1 Nxe3+ 18. fxe3 Bxc5 19. Ke2 a6 20. Na2 Bd6
1/2-1/2Thanks, Quentin J, for starting this thread and submitting a game (with hopefully some wins to follow!). Good luck to Puchen. I once spent a night at the Auckland Chess Centre (when I was in Auck for work) playing blitz games with a 10 year-old Puchen. I finished ahead (he was only 10!) but recognised a talent in the making.

Also good luck to you and my alma mater the OCC. Dad sends me your ODT columns from time to time. I see they are now linked from the OCC web site. Good stuff! (Jonathan Adams)

Qbert
11-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Thanks, Quentin J, for starting this thread and submitting a game (with hopefully some wins to follow!). Good luck to Puchen. I once spent a night at the Auckland Chess Centre (when I was in Auck for work) playing blitz games with a 10 year-old Puchen. I finished ahead (he was only 10!) but recognised a talent in the making.

Also good luck to you and my alma mater the OCC. Dad sends me your ODT columns from time to time. I see they are now linked from the OCC web site. Good stuff! (Jonathan Adams)

Thanks Jonathan. I'm glad to hear someone visits our site.:) I was a member of ACC for a couple of years when Puchen was about 11-12. We both had a jump in rating about the same time from 1800 to 2000+ but after that Puchen left me behind! Puchen stabilisied after his loss with a draw in round 7 (games below). Then he won for the first time against Hungarian IM Antal (2467) to get back to 50%. No possibility of a GM norm now, though the experience against strong, well-prepared opponents should be doing him some good.


Event: First Saturday 2008 marcius IGM
Site: Bodapest
Date: 2008.03.06
Round: 6
White: Puchen, Wang
Black: Bui, Vinh
Result: 0-1
ECO: D23
WhiteElo: 2383
BlackElo: 2482
PlyCount: 84
EventDate: 2008.03.01

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qb3 dxc4 5. Qxc4 Bf5 6. g3 e6 7. Bg2 Be7 8. O-O
Nbd7 9. Nc3 O-O 10. Re1 Ne4 11. Qb3 Qb6 12. Nh4 Bxh4 13. gxh4 Nxc3 14. bxc3 Qc7
15. e4 Bg6 16. c4 c5 17. d5 e5 18. Bb2 Rae8 19. Rad1 b6 20. Qa4 Qd6 21. Qc6 Qe7
22. d6 Qe6 23. Qd5 Qxd5 24. Rxd5 f6 25. Bh3 Rd8 26. Rd3 Bf7 27. Rc1 Rfe8 28.
Ra3 Be6 29. Bxe6+ Rxe6 30. Rxa7 Rxd6 31. a4 Nf8 32. Rc3 Ng6 33. Bc1 Rd1+ 34.
Kg2 Nxh4+ 35. Kh3 Ng6 36. Be3 h5 37. a5 bxa5 38. Rxa5 Rg1 39. Rxc5 Rdd1 40. Rd5
Rdf1 41. Rc2 Rg4 42. Rc1 Rxf2 0-1

Event: First Saturday 2008 marcius IGM
Site: Bodapest
Date: 2008.03.07
Round: 7
White: Nguyen Huynh, Minh H
Black: Puchen, Wang
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B13
WhiteElo: 2398
BlackElo: 2383
PlyCount: 118
EventDate: 2008.03.01

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 c5 3. e3 d5 4. c4 cxd4 5. exd4 Nc6 6. Nc3 Bg4 7. Be3 e6 8. h3
Bh5 9. c5 Be7 10. Be2 O-O 11. O-O Ne4 12. Qb3 Qc8 13. Ne1 Na5 14. Qc2 Bxe2 15.
Nxe2 Nc4 16. Bf4 e5 17. dxe5 Bxc5 18. b3 Na5 19. Rd1 Qe6 20. Nd3 Bb6 21. Kh2
Rac8 22. Qb2 Nc6 23. b4 f6 24. f3 fxe5 25. Nxe5 Nf6 26. b5 Nxe5 27. Bxe5 Rfe8
28. f4 Bc7 29. Bxf6 Qxe2 30. Qxe2 Rxe2 31. Bc3 g5 32. Bd2 Rf8 33. Kg3 gxf4+ 34.
Kf3 Re4 35. Bc1 Re5 36. h4 Rh5 37. Rfe1 Rhf5 38. Re7 R8f7 39. Re8+ Rf8 40.
Rxf8+ Kxf8 41. Kg4 Rf7 42. Rxd5 Ke7 43. Rf5 Rg7+ 44. Rg5 Rf7 45. Bb2 Ke6 46.
Rg7 Rxg7+ 47. Bxg7 Kd5 48. Kf5 Kc4 49. Be5 Bxe5 50. Kxe5 Kxb5 51. Kxf4 Kc6 52.
g4 Kd6 53. Kf5 b5 54. g5 b4 55. h5 a5 56. Kf6 a4 57. g6 hxg6 58. hxg6 b3 59.
axb3 axb3 1/2-1/2

Qbert
17-03-2008, 04:56 AM
Puchen slumped near the end with 2 losses & 2 draws to finish on 5.5/13 for a 2396 performance:(
There was a 3-way tie for 1st on 8/13 well short of the GM norm of 9.5.

Puchen has a few days off now to extract the most from his experience in order to apply it at the Doberl Cup & SIO.

Tony Dowden
17-03-2008, 06:27 PM
I have to admit I'm slightly less sanguine about Puchen winning GM norms now! We should not expect him to pull it off like Zong-Yuan Zhao did. (Zhao was already 2475-ish and under-rated at that).

Its obviously harder beating 2400 players than it is drawing with 2500+ players (and maybe beating them if they overpress). As another player commented recently, maybe some more of those big Swiss events in Europe are the best place for Puchen to win norms.

He has the talent but may have to prove himself at 2450 or 'very strong IM level' before making that next step to 2500 and winning GM norms. In addition the final stage brain maturation that usually takes place between 17-19 years old has to be seen as a significant factor - that is to say he's still maturing even in the physical sense. [What will Magnus Carlsen be like at 19?]

I will be very interested to see how he does in the Doeberl and the SIO. He will have plenty of opportunity to play GMs - and will have some of his Kiwi investors present to egg him on ;)

MichaelBaron
18-03-2008, 12:36 AM
I think we need to congratulate Kiwis on finding sponsorship for Puchen. Good lesson for Australians to learn. We got plenty of players who are no less tallented... (Xie, Ly etc.) yet they do not seem to be getting no support sigh.:hmm:

Basil
18-03-2008, 12:41 AM
I think we need to congratulate Kiwis on finding sponsorship for Puchen.
Well done Kiwis.


Good lesson for Australians to learn.
Sorry, what was the lesson?

pax
18-03-2008, 12:57 AM
I have to admit I'm slightly less sanguine about Puchen winning GM norms now! We should not expect him to pull it off like Zong-Yuan Zhao did. (Zhao was already 2475-ish and under-rated at that).
You've gotta remember too that Zhao took 7 years to "pull it off" between IM and GM.

MichaelBaron
18-03-2008, 08:51 AM
Well done Kiwis.


Sorry, what was the lesson?


The lesson is: Talents need to be supported. We should have "project Ly" and "project Xie"

Qbert
24-03-2008, 02:53 PM
Its obviously harder beating 2400 players than it is drawing with 2500+ players (and maybe beating them if they overpress). ...
He has the talent but may have to prove himself at 2450 or 'very strong IM level' before making that next step to 2500 and winning GM norms....

I will be very interested to see how he does in the Doeberl and the SIO. He will have plenty of opportunity to play GMs - and will have some of his Kiwi investors present to egg him on ;)

After a good start of 3/3 at Doberl a lack of wins against those 2400 players seems to have hampered Puchen's progress. He only played one GM (Zhang - and missed a win according to Puchen via TonyD). His finish of 6/9 with a roughly 2475 performance is still good but bears out TonyD's revised opinion. I'll be interested to see what Puchen thought of his tournament.

Qbert
02-04-2008, 02:17 PM
Ok, so no norm in the SIO for Puchen either :( . I've yet to see any news about his intentions from here on, but he is still listed as a deelnemer at Hilversum (http://www.hsghilversum.nl/hsgopen2008deelnemer), which starts in a few days. I hope he goes on with the programme.

Tony Dowden
05-04-2008, 07:24 PM
Ok, so no norm in the SIO for Puchen either :( . I've yet to see any news about his intentions from here on, but he is still listed as a deelnemer at Hilversum (http://www.hsghilversum.nl/hsgopen2008deelnemer), which starts in a few days. I hope he goes on with the programme.

Mike S tells me Puchen is staying at home in Auckland for a few weeks to get a second wind before heading back to Europe.

I think he will take a lot from having played in four tough events where he performed at around 2400 strength. The intriguing question now is whether he come out of the box and score another 2400 perf or will he be able to step with a 2450 or even a 2500 perf?

By the way, donations to the Project appear to have hit the $10,000 mark - not bad for a small chess community!

Tony Dowden
06-04-2008, 10:54 PM
PS Sorry, I forgot to add, Puchen isn't in the line-up for the Dutch event now.

Chernz
07-04-2008, 07:40 PM
Puchen told me he only got one day back home before he had to go travelling again(to Holland, i think)!

i think all the travelling has really taken its toll on him, as he's had 5 or so tournaments in a row

if hes not playing in holland, thats probably why

all the changing of timezones really affected him

Qbert
17-04-2008, 07:50 AM
Mike S tells me Puchen is staying at home in Auckland for a few weeks to get a second wind before heading back to Europe.

I think he will take a lot from having played in four tough events where he performed at around 2400 strength. The intriguing question now is whether he come out of the box and score another 2400 perf or will he be able to step with a 2450 or even a 2500 perf?

By the way, donations to the Project appear to have hit the $10,000 mark - not bad for a small chess community!
Well, he played in his own rapid fundraiser back in Auckland last weekend and scored 6/6 - 2 points ahead of a field that included Garbett & Smith, so hopefully the rest and some heavy duty opening prep are starting to pay off.:)

Tony Dowden
20-04-2008, 09:43 AM
Well, he played in his own rapid fundraiser back in Auckland last weekend and scored 6/6 - 2 points ahead of a field that included Garbett & Smith

I hope he donated his winnings to the fund ;)

Tony Dowden
21-04-2008, 09:37 PM
IM Puchen Wang (2397) flew out to Europe today.

He will then de-jetlag (which for Puchen means sleep for 96 hours?!) at Ian and Cathy Rogers' Amsterdam flat for a few days (long live the Anzac spirit) before starting the next event in Spain on Friday (Anzac Day, come to think of it).

I reckon he is ripe for the next step up on this trip. The big question will be what size boots will he be wearing?

I don't think he'll return as GM Puchen Wang (2500) but I'll stick my neck out and predict a 2450 perf in this event or the next :cool:

Adamski
21-04-2008, 09:55 PM
IM Puchen Wang (2397) flew out to Europe today.

He will then de-jetlag (which for Puchen means sleep for 96 hours?!) at Ian and Cathy Rogers' Amsterdam flat for a few days (long live the Anzac spirit) before starting the next event in Spain on Friday (Anzac Day, come to think of it).

I reckon he is ripe for the next step up on this trip. The big question will be what size boots will he be wearing?

I don't think he'll return as GM Puchen Wang (2500) but I'll stick my neck out and predict a 2450 perf in this event or the next :cool:That's cool, Tony. Good luck to Puchen. BTW one thing that annoys me each year about Australian coverage of ANZAC Day is that they seem to completely forget what the "NZ" in ANZAC stands for. An exception is rugby league, where there is now an annual ANZAC Day test between the 2 trans-Tasman neighbours.

Garvinator
21-04-2008, 10:10 PM
That's cool, Tony. Good luck to Puchen. BTW one thing that annoys me each year about Australian coverage of ANZAC Day is that they seem to completely forget what the "NZ" in ANZAC stands for. An exception is rugby league, where there is now an annual ANZAC Day test between the 2 trans-Tasman neighbours.
But in said league game, some of the best NZ players are playing in England and therefore cant play in the Anzac test, so Australia thumps them almost all the time.

Adamski
21-04-2008, 10:28 PM
Sadly, all too true. We have to really celebrate our victories over Aus at league, as they are all too few.

Qbert
28-04-2008, 12:35 PM
I don't think he'll return as GM Puchen Wang (2500) but I'll stick my neck out and predict a 2450 perf in this event or the next :cool:

After two wins against lower rated opponents at Benidorm (http://www.chessbenidorm.com),Puchen got to try his hand against Swedish former superGM Ulf Andersson and was duly ground down after his opponent avoided all middlegame complications by swapping queens against Puchen's KID. Quite an impressive game. Couldn't get the uploader to work this time for some reason, so it is attached as pgn.

Kevin Bonham
28-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Viewer worked OK for me after copying and pasting from your file:

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. dxe5
dxe5 8. Qxd8 Rxd8 9. Bg5 Re8 10. Nd5 Nxd5 11. cxd5 c6 12. Bc4 cxd5 13.
Bxd5 Nc6 14. O-O-O Be6 15. Bxe6 Rxe6 16. Rd7 b6 17. Kb1 h6 18. Be3 Rc8
19. Rc1 Kf8 20. Nd2 Ke8 21. Rd3 Rd8 22. Rdc3 Nd4 23. Rc7 Re7 24. b3
Ne6 25. Rxe7+ Kxe7 26. Nc4 Nd4 27. Na3 Ke6 {maybe 27 ... Rd7 first} 28. Rc7 Rd7 29. Rxd7 {nice endgame technique from here} Kxd7
30. Bxd4 exd4 31. Kc2 f5 32. f3 {! the white pawn has to stay on e4 for move 37 to work} fxe4 33. fxe4 Kc6 34. Kd3 Kc5 35. Nc2
a5 36. a3 h5 37. Nxd4 Kd6 38. Nf3 Kc5 39. Nd4 Kd6 40. g3 Bf6 41. Nf3
Bb2 42. Nd2 Kc5 43. Nc4 Bg7 44. h3 Bh8 45. g4 hxg4 46. hxg4 Bg7 47.
Nd2 b5 48. Nf3 Bb2 49. a4 bxa4 50. bxa4 Kb4 51. e5 g5 52. e6 Bf6 53.
Ne5 Kxa4 54. Nc6 Kb5 55. e7 Bxe7 56. Nxe7 Kc5 57. Ke4 {enabling Nd5 etc} 1-0

Tony Dowden
28-04-2008, 09:49 PM
Hmm, Maybe Puchen isn't old enough to know that Ulf Andersson was (still is?) one of the finest end-game players in the world. I thought Puchen might hold for a long time but then his bishop got stuck on the dark squares ;) and the white knight demonstrated impressive agility. One more for Ulf's collection :clap:

Tony Dowden
30-04-2008, 06:54 PM
Puchen has 3.5/5 with opponents other than GM Andersson all under 2250, so I doubt a GM norm is in the offing unless his back half of the event is really sensational.

Maybe someone who can number-crunch could say something more enlightening.

ER
30-04-2008, 09:40 PM
[QUOTE=TonyD ... Ulf Andersson was (still is?) one of the finest end-game players in the world... [/QUOTE]

He is one of Michael Baron's favourite players, I believe that's his answer to this question is definitely an affirmative one!
Cheers and good luck!

P.S. GOOD LUCK TO PUCHEN!

Qbert
01-05-2008, 10:36 AM
Puchen has 3.5/5 with opponents other than GM Andersson all under 2250, so I doubt a GM norm is in the offing unless his back half of the event is really sensational.

Maybe someone who can number-crunch could say something more enlightening.
Now on 4.5/6 with a perf of 2404 according to this (http://paxmans.net/performance_calc.php?score=4.5&rating1=1861&rating2=1951&rating3=2537&rating4=2137&rating5=2216&rating6=2236&rating7=&rating8=&rating9=&rating10=&rating11=&rating12=&rating13=&rating14=&rating15=&rating16=&rating17=&rating18=&rating19=&rating20=&submitted=Y). So nothing special so far, but at least he is facing another GM in round 7 - Ecuadorian GM Matamoros Franco Carlos S (2518). Not want to jinx him, but a win (with black) would put Puchen's performance over 2500...:whistle:

MichaelBaron
01-05-2008, 11:38 AM
He is one of Michael Baron's favourite players, I believe that's his answer to this question is definitely an affirmative one!
Cheers and good luck!

P.S. GOOD LUCK TO PUCHEN!


Thats right! In my opinion Andersson is one of the best endgame players ever! His endgame victories over Timman, Karpov, Szmetan etc are beautiful examples of accurate endgame play.

Good luck to Puchen in his GM title persuit

Tony Dowden
03-05-2008, 04:56 PM
Puchen has now progressed to 5.5/8 with a loss to GM Franco Matamoros from Ecuador (who played in the 2007 SIO) and a win against a 2250 Spaniard. His perf is 2396 according to Qbert's on-line calculator - the same as his actual rating. Interestingly he has 100% with White. Two wins in the final 9th and 10th rounds could take him to within shouting distance of a 2450 perf.

Tony Dowden
04-05-2008, 09:11 AM
Round 9: IM Cristian Dolezal (2436) - IM Puchen Wang 0-1

In the 10th and final round Puchen has White against Spaniard GM Julen Arizmendi-Martinez (2516)

Does anyone know what is needed for a GM norm? If Puchen wins his last round his perf will be over 2500 (I think), but that won't be enough against a field including two sub 2000 players will it?

Here are the results so far:

Rd 1: Benito Alba Eladio (1861) win
Rd 2: Rubio Mancebon Pedro Jose (1951) win
Rd 3: GM Andersson Ulf (2537) loss
Rd 4: Astengo Corrado (2137) win
Rd 5: Tscharotschkin Michael (2216) draw
Rd 6: Nordenbaek Jan (2236) win
Rd 7: GM Matamoros Franco Carlos S (2518) loss
Rd 8: De La Fuente Gonzalez Francisco (2244) win
Rd 9: IM Dolezal Cristian (2436) win
Rd 10: GM Arizmendi Martinez Julen Luis (2516) ???

pax
04-05-2008, 10:54 AM
Does anyone know what is needed for a GM norm? If Puchen wins his last round his perf will be over 2500 (I think), but that won't be enough against a field including two sub 2000 players will it?
A 2600 performance is required for a GM norm..

Tony Dowden
04-05-2008, 01:04 PM
A 2600 performance is required for a GM norm.

Thanks Pax. I suspected Puchen must be some way off a norm but I wasn't sure. Lol, maybe he will gain another IM norm!

MichaelBaron
04-05-2008, 08:34 PM
Lets wait till Puchen becomes a strong IM with a fide rating of around 2450 first!

eclectic
04-05-2008, 08:40 PM
Lets wait till Puchen becomes a strong IM with a fide rating of around 2450 first!

agreed

the project's objective shouldn't be seen as a fait accompli

:rolleyes:

Qbert
05-05-2008, 12:12 PM
Round 9: IM Cristian Dolezal (2436) - IM Puchen Wang 0-1

In the 10th and final round Puchen has White against Spaniard GM Julen Arizmendi-Martinez (2516)

Puchen's late rally was completed with a final round was a draw giving Puchen 7/10 and share of 9th a point behind the winners. final table (http://www.chessbenidorm.com/ed2008/final.htm).
according to the site his perf was 2414 (too many low rated players in the average) but the performance calculator gives 2469 (http://paxmans.net/performance_calc.php?score=7&rating1=1861&rating2=1951&rating3=2537&rating4=2137&rating5=2216&rating6=2236&rating7=2518&rating8=2244&rating9=2436&rating10=2516&rating11=&rating12=&rating13=&rating14=&rating15=&rating16=&rating17=&rating18=&rating19=&rating20=&submitted=Y)

At least that is progress toward 2450. :)

Tony Dowden
05-05-2008, 07:33 PM
Lets wait till Puchen becomes a strong IM with a fide rating of around 2450 first!
Fair call!

Qbert
10-05-2008, 05:29 PM
Puchen is now playing in the 2nd ENCI Limburg Open in Maastricht, the Netherlands. He started with a win and in the second round tonight meets Arthur Pijpers - the 14 yo who beat Puchen in France. I don't usually advocate violence against minors but... :whistle:

Qbert
11-05-2008, 12:52 PM
He beat Pijpers but then lost to GM Friso Nijboer (2558) in round three - game below. paired against Belgian Robin Leenaerts (2153) in rd 4.
Event: Limburg
Site: Maastricht
Date: 2008.05.10
Round: 3
White: Wang Puchen IM
Black: Nijboer, Friso GM
Result: 0-1

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bc4 Qb6 7. Nxc6
bxc6 8. O-O g6 9. Qe1 Ng4 10. Na4 Qd4 11. Qc3 Qxc3 12. Nxc3 Bg7 13. h3 Ne5
14. Be2 Rb8 15. Rb1 c5 16. Bd2 Nc6 17. Bb5 Bd7 18. Nd5
{
?! tricky but seems to give black all the play. 18 a4 looks equal.
}
18... Nb4 19. Bxd7+ Kxd7 20. c3 Nxd5 21. exd5 Rb6 22. b4 cxb4 23. Rxb4 Rc8
24. Rc1 e6 25. dxe6+ fxe6 26. Kf1 d5 27. Ke2 e5 28. f3 Bf8 29. Rxb6 axb6
30. Kd3 Ra8 31. Rc2 b5 32. Bg5 Bg7 33. Be3 Kc6 34. Bc1 Ra4 35. Re2 Bf6 36.
Bh6 b4 37. Rc2
{
? Bf8 - but white was losing the c-pawn anyway.
}
37... e4+ 38. fxe4 dxe4+ 39. Kxe4
{
oops
}
39... b3+
0-1

Capablanca-Fan
11-05-2008, 01:53 PM
He beat Pijpers but then lost to GM Friso Nijboer (2558) in round three — game below. paired against Belgian Robin Leenaerts (2153) in rd 4.
Thanx for that. The main problem seems to have been trying to draw with a stronger player via exchanges. But he made concession after concession, and was getting ground down by GM technique even aside from the blunder.

Qbert
12-05-2008, 05:49 AM
Thanx for that. The main problem seems to have been trying to draw with a stronger player via exchanges. But he made concession after concession, and was getting ground down by GM technique even aside from the blunder.
Similar to his loss to Andersson. Puchen hasn't mentioned his mental approach to these games when explaining his results as yet, but it would be quite interesting and maybe a valuable exercise for him to consider it. I think he feels at a disadvantage in terms of opening preparation against the GMs from the outset.

He won in rd 4 and is part of a big group on 3/4 in 10th= with a perf. so far of 2444. Next opponent is Sebastiaan Smits (NED, 2122).

Qbert
12-05-2008, 09:17 AM
Next opponent is Sebastiaan Smits (NED, 2122).
Another win to go to 4/5 in 4th= with a 2465 perf so far.
Next opponent is GM Gawain Jones (2522) which should be viewable live (http://www.limburgopen.nl/English/liveboards.html).
Good luck Puchen.

Capablanca-Fan
12-05-2008, 09:35 AM
Similar to his loss to Andersson.
I don't think so actually. Andersson deliberately headed for the endgame, his speciality, and just outplayed Wang. This is different from trying to draw with a stronger player by exchanges.

Qbert
12-05-2008, 04:04 PM
I don't think so actually. Andersson deliberately headed for the endgame, his speciality, and just outplayed Wang. This is different from trying to draw with a stronger player by exchanges.
Fair point Jono. But I referring more to the next two sentences in your original post about making concessions and being ground down, though. In truth I couldn't understand Puchen's plan vs Nijboer starting with 9 Qe1, unless it was to force piece exchanges. I was expecting a naturally aggressive player like Puchen to play 9 Bb3 or similar.

Qbert
13-05-2008, 05:31 AM
Rd 6 was a loss with Black to Jones, then a final round draw with Bob Beeke (2188) to finish 22nd= on 4.5/7 with a perf of 2364. Not a great result, but two more games against GMs to learn from.

Tony Dowden
13-05-2008, 08:38 AM
Yes, 2364 isn't that flash! But look at the field Puchen played against:

Round 1: IM Puchen Wang 1-0 Dominik Rose (2163)
Round 2: Arthur Pijpers (2130) 0-1 IM Puchen Wang
Round 3: IM Puchen Wang 0-1 GM Friso Nijboer (2558)
Round 4: Robin Leenaerts (2153) 0-1 IM Puchen Wang
Round 5: IM Puchen Wang 1-0 Sebastiaan Smits (2122)
Round 6: GM Gawain Jones (2522) 1-0 IM Puchen Wang
Round 7: IM Puchen Wang ˝-˝ Bob Beeke (2188)

He didn't play any 2200, 2300 or 2400 players! I suppose we have to agree that 4.5/5 against the (relatively) weak players is a 'good-to-reasonable' result. However another shut out by the GMs isn't boding too well for GM norms.

But I'm convinced that Puchen is stronger than this result suggests! Clearly he needs to rethink his approach to playing GMs. I get the feeling he is too respectful of them, so his whole psychological approach probably needs to be overhauled. Hopefully he will get another win (or two) against GMs soon and will gain in confidence.

By the way, GM Gawain Jones' Rd 6 win against Puchen was a beauty - with some thematic strikes by White on d5 and e6 in a Scandanavian (worth posting when the PGN score is available).

Qbert
17-05-2008, 10:52 AM
It looks like Puchen's GM norm quest (and possibly his ability to represent NZ at Dresden) will be cut short by his winning a 4-year chess scholarship (http://chess.utdallas.edu/) to the University of Texas, Dallas starting in August - one of only 2 US Universities to offer a chess scholarship. Still, the GM training he will receive while being able to pursue his studies has got to be the best possible result.

Well done Puchen :clap:

Maybe he got the idea from Zambia's Amon Simultowe (now a UTD graduate) when they met in the Euwe Stimulans tournament last year.

Leonid Sandler
17-05-2008, 12:20 PM
This is fantastic news for Puchen!
American chess scene will create a lot of opportunities for inspiring young man
Its much more exciting news when chasing elisive titles in Europe.

MichaelBaron
17-05-2008, 02:04 PM
And University of Dallas is not a bad university at all! So even if he does not become a GM - this scholarship will give him a very good start at life :clap:

Tony Dowden
18-05-2008, 03:25 PM
Yes indeed, congratulations to Puchen. I understand he managed to gain the highest of of three possible categories of scholarship at the Uni of Texas (Dallas), thanks to diligently studying for the entrance exam instead of defending his NZ Championship title in January :clap:

Tony Dowden
25-05-2008, 12:54 PM
Project Grandmaster has now been truncated due to Puchen's scholarship. The financial goal is now $15,000, with an impressive $13,000 already raised.

I'm impressed to note that GM Ian Rogers and IA Cathy Rogers kindly donated to the fund. Ashas already been noted here the Rogers have given Puchen the use of their Amsterdam flat.

Long live the Anzac spirit!

Qbert
01-06-2008, 06:32 AM
Puchen just competed in the XXVII.Zalakarosi Sakkfesztivál "A" Open (http://csutisk.extra.hu/documents/a/SMWSite/index.html) in Hungary, scoring 6/9 for a 2392 performance. He played 2 GMs, losing to Czebe (2513) and drawing with Farago (2470).

Mathew
07-06-2008, 02:30 PM
I must congatulate Mr Wang on his scholarship also, but he would have added to the 115th NZ Congress dramatically.

Qbert
09-06-2008, 10:15 AM
Puchen is now playing in the June edition of the First Saturday (http://www.freeweb.hu/firstsaturday/0806/gm.htm) tournament in Hungary. In rd 1 he beat Stefan Macak SVK 2342 with White. Maybe we'll see a GM norm yet :)

Tony Dowden
09-06-2008, 07:37 PM
In Round 2 Puchen drew with the young(ish) Canadian talent GM Mark Bluvshtein (2544) who played in Australia quite recently. Things are looking up! :clap:

Qbert
11-06-2008, 03:12 PM
2 more draws in rds 3 & 4 vs Liu,Qingnan CHN 2344 with white and Fogarasi, Tibor GM HUN 2426 with black. Next opponent is Czebe, Attila GM HUN 2513 with White.

here are his first 3 games
Event: First Saturday 2008 Juni GM
Site: Budapest
Date: 2008.06.07
Round: 1
White: Wang, Puchen
Black: Macak, Stefan
Result: 1-0
ECO: E15
WhiteElo: 2397
BlackElo: 2342
PlyCount: 87
EventDate: 2008.06.07

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Qe7 7. Bg2 Bb7 8. O-O
Be4 9. Qb3 a5 10. a3 Bxd2 11. Nbxd2 a4 12. Qc3 Bb7 13. Qc2 d6 14. e4 O-O 15.
Rfe1 Nfd7 16. Nb1 e5 17. Nc3 exd4 18. Nxd4 Nc5 19. Rad1 Re8 20. Nd5 Bxd5 21.
cxd5 Nbd7 22. f4 f6 23. Nb5 Nf8 24. e5 fxe5 25. fxe5 Qd7 26. Qc4 Ng6 27. e6 Qe7
28. Nd4 Rf8 29. Nc6 Qf6 30. Qe2 Qg5 31. e7 Rfe8 32. Be4 Nf4 33. Qf3 Nh5 34. Bc2
Nf6 35. Rd4 Kh8 36. Rf4 Ncd7 37. Rf5 Qd2 38. Re2 Qc1+ 39. Kg2 Qxb2 40. g4 Qc1
41. g5 Ng8 42. h4 Ne5 43. Rfxe5 dxe5 44. Qf5 1-0

Event: First Saturday 2008 Juni GM
Site: Budapest
Date: 2008.06.08
Round: 2
White: Bluvshtein, Mark
Black: Wang, Puchen
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: D17
WhiteElo: 2544
BlackElo: 2397
PlyCount: 102
EventDate: 2008.06.07

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bf5 6. Ne5 e6 7. f3 c5 8. e4 Bg6
9. Be3 cxd4 10. Qxd4 Qxd4 11. Bxd4 Nfd7 12. Nxd7 Nxd7 13. Bxc4 a6 14. Ke2 Rc8
15. Ba2 Rg8 16. Rac1 Bc5 17. Bxc5 Rxc5 18. b4 Rc6 19. Nb1 Ke7 20. Rxc6 bxc6 21.
Nc3 Rb8 22. Rb1 f5 23. Ke3 fxe4 24. fxe4 Nf6 25. h3 Rd8 26. Bc4 Nd5+ 27. exd5
exd5 28. Nxd5+ cxd5 29. Bd3 Bxd3 30. Kxd3 Kd6 31. b5 axb5 32. axb5 Kc7 33. b6+
Kb7 34. Kd4 Rf8 35. Rb3 Rf2 36. g3 Rd2+ 37. Ke5 d4 38. Ke4 Rd1 39. h4 d3 40.
Kd4 Rf1 41. Rxd3 Kxb6 42. Ke5 Kc6 43. Rd6+ Kc7 44. Ra6 Re1+ 45. Kf5 Re7 46. Ra8
Kd6 47. Rh8 Re5+ 48. Kg4 Ke7 49. Rxh7 Kf6 50. Rh8 Re4+ 51. Kf3 Ra4 1/2-1/2

Event: First Saturday 2008 Juni GM
Site: Budapest
Date: 2008.06.09
Round: 3
White: Wang, Puchen
Black: Liu, Qingnan
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: E07
WhiteElo: 2397
BlackElo: 2344
PlyCount: 53
EventDate: 2008.06.07

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O Nbd7 7. Nc3 dxc4 8. e4
c5 9. d5 exd5 10. exd5 Nb6 11. Ne5 Bd6 12. Re1 Re8 13. f4 Ng4 14. Nb5 Bxe5 15.
fxe5 a6 16. e6 fxe6 17. Nc3 exd5 18. Bg5 Rxe1+ 19. Qxe1 Nf6 20. Bxf6 gxf6 21.
Nxd5 Nxd5 22. Rd1 Bg4 23. Bxd5+ Kh8 24. Bf3 Qg8 25. Qe7 Bxf3 26. Qxf6+ Qg7 27.
Rd8+ 1/2-1/2

Qbert
12-06-2008, 03:11 PM
Puchen drew GM Czebe to be 3/5 with a perf of 2506 so far. :)

Here's the rd 4 draw with GM Fogarasi
Event: First Saturday 2008 Juni GM
Site: Budapest
Date: 2008.06.10
Round: 4
White: Fogarasi, Tibor
Black: Wang, Puchen
Result: 1/2-1/2
ECO: B18
WhiteElo: 2426
BlackElo: 2397
PlyCount: 71
EventDate: 2008.06.07

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. h4 h6 7. f4 e6 8. Nf3
Bd6 9. Ne5 Ne7 10. c3 Nd7 11. Qf3 Nxe5 12. fxe5 Bc7 13. h5 Bh7 14. Bc4 Nf5 15.
Nxf5 Bxf5 16. g4 Bh7 17. Be3 Qe7 18. O-O-O O-O-O 19. Rhf1 Rhf8 20. Qg2 Kb8 21.
g5 hxg5 22. Bxg5 f6 23. Bh4 c5 24. h6 g5 25. exf6 Qf7 26. Bg3 cxd4 27. Qh2 Bxg3
28. Qxg3+ Ka8 29. Qe5 dxc3 30. Rxd8+ Rxd8 31. Bxe6 cxb2+ 32. Kxb2 Qf8 33. Bb3
Re8 34. Qd4 Rd8 35. Qe5 Re8 36. Qd4 1/2-1/2

pax
17-06-2008, 12:02 PM
Any more news? I assume this tournament is probably finished by now..

Ian Rout
17-06-2008, 01:47 PM
Any more news? I assume this tournament is probably finished by now..
According to the web site it finishes on 19th, probably Friday 20th our time, though on that basis the official score is a bit behind (same link as quoted above):

http://firstsaturday.freeweb.hu/0806/gm.htm

Qbert
18-06-2008, 10:00 AM
According to the web site it finishes on 19th, probably Friday 20th our time, though on that basis the official score is a bit behind (same link as quoted above):

http://firstsaturday.freeweb.hu/0806/gm.htm

According to inside sources (not the official site, Puchen has put together a string of wins along with the draws to have an unbeaten 2563 performance so far with two rounds to play. :) But he still needs two wins against two IMs in the last two rounds to achieve the GM norm - good luck Puchen!

Qbert
18-06-2008, 11:12 AM
The official site is now updated but the results show a draw between FM The Anh Duong (VIE, 2403) and Puchen, instead of the win Puchen reported. The games score below gives a win to Puchen. Incidentally that puts Puchen 2nd= on 7.5/11 a point behing Bluvshtein.

[Event "First Saturday 2008 Juni GM"]
[Site "Budapest"]
[Date "2008.06.16"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Wang, Puchen"]
[Black "Duong The, Anh"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A39"]
[WhiteElo "2397"]
[BlackElo "2403"]
[PlyCount "101"]
[EventDate "2008.06.07"]

1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 c5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 g6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. O-O O-O 7. d4 cxd4 8.
Nxd4 Nxd4 9. Qxd4 d6 10. Qd3 Qa5 11. h3 Be6 12. Bd2 Qa6 13. b3 Rac8 14. e4 Rfd8
15. Qe2 Nd7 16. Rac1 Nc5 17. Kh2 Re8 18. Be3 Qa5 19. Nd5 Bxd5 20. exd5 Qa3 21.
Rb1 a5 22. Bc1 Qb4 23. a3 Qb6 24. Be3 Qa6 25. Rfd1 a4 26. b4 Nb3 27. Bf1 e6 28.
c5 Qxe2 29. Bxe2 exd5 30. cxd6 Re5 31. d7 Rd8 32. Bb6 Rxd7 33. Bb5 Rd6 34. Bc7
Ree6 35. Bxd6 Rxd6 36. Bxa4 Nd4 37. Rd3 Nf5 38. Rc1 Bd4 39. Kg2 Bb6 40. Bb3 Ne7
41. a4 Rf6 42. Rf3 Kg7 43. a5 Bd8 44. Rd1 Rd6 45. Rfd3 Nc6 46. Rxd5 Rxd5 47.
Rxd5 Be7 48. Rb5 Bxb4 49. Bd5 Bd6 50. Bxc6 bxc6 51. Rb7 1-0

Tony Dowden
18-06-2008, 08:52 PM
My understanding is that two wins in the last two rounds will give Puchen a GM norm :D

Good luck Puchen!

Qbert
20-06-2008, 05:54 AM
My understanding is that two wins in the last two rounds will give Puchen a GM norm :D

Good luck Puchen!

'Unfortunately' Puchen drew both games to finish unbeaten in 3rd on 8.5/13 with an excellent 2537 performance in his last tournament in the Project. :clap:
GM Bluvshtein won with 10/13 - no-one achieved a GM norm.

I predict Puchen will show the benefits of his vastly increased experience over the next few months.

Tony Dowden
20-06-2008, 09:50 AM
Yes, this event showed what Puchen is now capable of. Essentially he's a very strong IM and will go to the USA with a rating of about 2440 :clap:

I hope he can find time to play in the Olympiad. If so he might be able to miantain some momentum and have another decent shot at a norm ...

flukey
08-07-2008, 07:54 PM
Unfortunately Puchen has had to pull out of the Olympiad team due to university commitments - not very good news for the team as it means I am the replacement!

But the Texas University thing sounds like a great opportunity for Puchen and it is good to combine chess with a top education - I think ZYZ and Smerdon have shown that it is possible to do both which is very impressive.

For what it is worth I think Puchen is easily GM class but a slight lack of confidence still needs to be overcome, which will happen probably sooner rather than later. To illustrate this point, Puchen seems to overestimate his opponents opening knowledge (and ability to memorise forcing lines) and underestimate his. I remember 3 years ago at the NZ Champs perusing the book store - Puchen came up to me with a copy of one of Lev Psakhis' dense chess books on the French Defence (4 part series). He then asked me if I had them to which I said yes. He then asked me how long it took me to memorise them!!!!!!!!!! I was a little stunned - I said as soon as I look at a line I forget it inside 48 hours. He said oh, he tries to memorise the whole book! When you go over a game with him in the post-mortem you can see that he has memorised an amazing quantity of material. That capacity as well his ability to analyse and calculate at amazing speed means that it is the 2500 GMS that should be worried plaing Puchen, not the other way around.

Anyway, well done Puchen and I predict that you will be over 2500 by the end of next year.

Adamski
08-07-2008, 11:40 PM
Congratulations, Steve, on your elevation to the Olympiad team. Good luck for the event to the Kiwi team! A pity Puchen won't be there, but studies are important...

Brian_Jones
09-07-2008, 09:12 AM
Unfortunately Puchen has had to pull out of the Olympiad team due to university commitments - not very good news for the team as it means I am the replacement!

It's just a USA plot to weaken the NZ team. :)

I hope the two teams meet in Dresden and NZ flukes a win! :)

Adamski
09-07-2008, 11:56 AM
It's just a USA plot to weaken the NZ team. :)

I hope the two teams meet in Dresden and NZ flukes a win! :)
Might not be a fluke. Chandler could definitely win on his day and flukey can "fluke" a win against anyone on his day. Would just need one more half point and it's victory to NZ!!

flukey
09-07-2008, 02:02 PM
Didn't the US just sneak home 2.5 - 1.5 against NZ in the last Olympiad ... and Ker almost beat Onishuck on first board which would have made it 2 - 2!!!

With natural improvement, this time NZ should win easily!

MichaelBaron
09-07-2008, 02:42 PM
Puchen came up to me with a copy of one of Lev Psakhis' dense chess books on the French Defence (4 part series). He then asked me if I had them to which I said yes. He then asked me how long it took me to memorise them!!!!!!!!!! I was a little stunned - I said as soon as I look at a line I forget it inside 48 hours. He said oh, he tries to memorise the whole book! When you go over a game with him in the post-mortem you can see that he has memorised an amazing quantity of material. That capacity as well his ability to analyse and calculate at amazing speed means that it is the 2500 GMS that should be worried plaing Puchen, not the other way around.
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Pity that Puchen does not have a good coach to help him develop his natural talent. The coach would explain to him that improvement is not about memorising books but about trying to understand main ideas and patterns. Generally speaking, it appears to be a major weakness for many Auzzie and NZ chessplayers (juniors in particular). The focus is on memorizing rather than gaining understanding.

On a positive note, US has a lot of excellent coaches so hopefully, Puchen will return to NZ as a GM

Tony Dowden
09-07-2008, 07:56 PM
Unfortunately Puchen has had to pull out of the Olympiad team due to university commitments - not very good news for the team as it means I am the replacement!

You are too modest Steve - as of course you are a very worthy replacement. (What would have been worrying though, was if some old 'has-been' like me had been selected!!)

Happy IM norm hunting ;)

Cheers, Tony

flukey
10-07-2008, 10:25 AM
Pity that Puchen does not have a good coach to help him develop his natural talent. The coach would explain to him that improvement is not about memorising books but about trying to understand main ideas and patterns. Generally speaking, it appears to be a major weakness for many Auzzie and NZ chessplayers (juniors in particular). The focus is on memorizing rather than gaining understanding.

On a positive note, US has a lot of excellent coaches so hopefully, Puchen will return to NZ as a GM

Couldn't agree with you more Michael about the importance of understanding ideas and patterns, its just that it it is a heck of a good start to also have the encyclopediac memory AND extremely fast calculation skills. In this sense Puchen has these computer like skills down pat, and working on the ideas and patterns algorithm will take him to that next step.

Qbert
16-07-2008, 03:27 PM
Congratulations on making the team, Stephen.:clap:

On the subject of memorising, I read in Watson's Secrets of Chess Strategy quoting Suba's view that memorising games was more valuable than learning flawed strategic principles with endless exceptions. The whole emphasis of the book is that modern top GMs play with little regard to principle provided the concrete variations work out in their favour. Perhaps principles & position types are more handy for players like me who can't remember who they played last week, let alone what happened.

cheers
Quentin

Capablanca-Fan
16-07-2008, 04:19 PM
On the subject of memorising, I read in Watson's Secrets of Chess Strategy quoting Suba's view that memorising games was more valuable than learning flawed strategic principles with endless exceptions.
Suba is a bit contrarian though. Larsen said the opposite, that knowledge of the themes was more important than rote memorization, although he said that even better was knowledge of themes and variations. Larsen is certainly no dogmatist.

Watson tries to explain this common grandmaster advice away, but there are examples where top grandmasters really did think as they advise. All the same, it would have been good if his book were available 20 years ago.


The whole emphasis of the book is that modern top GMs play with little regard to principle provided the concrete variations work out in their favour.
This is certainly true. Watson and Suba are also right that the "stick to a plan" is often nonsense unless the opponent offers no impediments. Studying the games of the greats will teach a lot about how they really think.