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Kruupy
22-02-2008, 04:47 PM
Hi all,

Last night I played the following game:

Event: ICC
Site: Internet Chess Club
Date: 2008.02.22
White: voja
Black: kruupy
Result:
TimeControl: 2700+60

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Qxd4 Nf6 5. e5 Nc6
6. Qa4 Nd5 7. Qe4 Qa5+ 8. Bd2 Ndb4 9. Na3 d5 10. exd6 Bf5
11. d7+ Kxd7 12. Qc4 Bh6 13. O-O-O Bxd2+ 14. Rxd2+ Kc7 15. Nd4 Rhd8
16. c3 Be6 17. Nxe6+ fxe6 18. cxb4 Qg5 19. f4







Although I made some blunders towards the end, the game confused the hell out of me as I had no idea whether white was winning?, was I equal?, Did I have a sac (I felt that I did) etc, the game just confused me... in particular 9... d5 which later allowing 11.d7+ with ideas of trying to claim the d-file to attack whites king. I did however feel that my pieces were more active and cohesive than my opponents with his bad bishop(?) and rook, in return for my king being overly exposed.

Can anyone help me clear this one up a little?

Cheers,
Kruupy.

Capablanca-Fan
22-02-2008, 05:31 PM
Hi all,

Last night I played the following game:

Event: ICC
Site: Internet Chess Club
Date: 2008.02.22
White: voja
Black: kruupy
Result:
TimeControl: 2700+60

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Qxd4 Nf6 5. e5 Nc6
6. Qa4 Nd5 7. Qe4 Qa5+ 8. Bd2 Ndb4 9. Na3 d5 10. exd6 Bf5
11. d7+ Kxd7 12. Qc4 Bh6 13. O-O-O Bxd2+ 14. Rxd2+ Kc7 15. Nd4 Rhd8
16. c3 Be6 17. Nxe6+ fxe6 18. cxb4 Qg5 19. f4

Although I made some blunders towards the end, the game confused the hell out of me as I had no idea whether white was winning?, was I equal?, Did I have a sac (I felt that I did) etc, the game just confused me... in particular 9... d5 which later allowing 11.d7+ with ideas of trying to claim the d-file to attack whites king. I did however feel that my pieces were more active and cohesive than my opponents with his bad bishop(?) and rook, in return for my king being overly exposed.

Can anyone help me clear this one up a little?
That opening should not be dangerous for Black, since white is losing lots of time with the Q. 7... Nb6 should be fine, because Black can play ... Bg7, 0-0, d6 or f6. For something more adventurous, 7... Ndb4 without the self-pinning ...Qa5+. This would threaten ...d5 and ...Bf5, and the Q at home would also cover the diversionary d7+.

Taking with the K put it in the firing line after White's natural 0-0-0, so any time gained had to be returned.

Kruupy
22-02-2008, 07:23 PM
Taking with the K put it in the firing line after White's natural 0-0-0, so any time gained had to be returned.

Yes but is there any compensation with the rook misplaced and unconnected on d2 when black can easily move a rook to d8 and fight for the file?

What I think was my problem is I was too aggressive and tactical, I think I should have opted to each pieces (queens etc) down until I had perhaps some sort of advantage/equality in an endgame?

Cheers,
Kruupy.

Kevin Bonham
22-02-2008, 07:40 PM
I think White was better from ...Qa5 on, with the possible exception that Black had a realistic shot with 15...Rad8 instead of ...Rhd8. The reason Rad8 is much much better is that then the black king can go to b8 without locking in the rook. After 16.c3 Black could then sac the exchange on d4; Black picks up the a-pawn and the white queen side is a bit loose so there is some play there.

Kruupy
22-02-2008, 08:25 PM
Thanks KB,

I knew that I had shifted the wrong rook 3 seconds after I had placed it. One of those sinking feelings lol

I thought the game was interesting anyway.
Cheers,
Kruupy.

Aaron Guthrie
22-02-2008, 09:05 PM
That opening should not be dangerous for Black, since white is losing lots of time with the Q.That is a rather quick dismissal of a well established line.

Aaron Guthrie
22-02-2008, 09:28 PM
Yes but is there any compensation with the rook misplaced and unconnected on d2 when black can easily move a rook to d8 and fight for the file?

What I think was my problem is I was too aggressive and tactical, I think I should have opted to each pieces (queens etc) down until I had perhaps some sort of advantage/equality in an endgame?Aggressive is good. I agree with Kevin that you were better from Qa5 onwards. Without some calculation I cannot tell you exactly what moves are better, but I will make some suggestions. 15.c3!? Na6 16.Rd5 is interesting, with the possibility now of Qf4 (which could be answered by e5 before). Also 13.Rad1 is interesting, because really the king isn't any better on the queenside. For the moment that is all I can suggest. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kill you can find with a computer.

Aaron Guthrie
22-02-2008, 09:34 PM
After 16.c3 Black could then sac the exchange on d4; Black picks up the a-pawn and the white queen side is a bit loose so there is some play there.What are you playing after 17.Nb5+!, 17...K move, or 17...Qxb5!?, because in the former case I am not convinced that the white king actually isn't being chased to safety!

Kevin Bonham
22-02-2008, 10:05 PM
What are you playing after 17.Nb5+!, 17...K move, or 17...Qxb5!?, because in the former case I am not convinced that the white king actually isn't being chased to safety!

17...Kb8. I also have doubts that black's compensation won't go away with best play, but it's a far better chance than what was played.

The queen sac does look tricky but I suspect it is unsound and white will just return it with advantage.


Aggressive is good. I agree with Kevin that you were better from Qa5 onwards.

I was saying White was better. Kruupy was black.

Kruupy
22-02-2008, 10:13 PM
ok well it seems my positional judgment is as bad as I thought. Cheers all.

Aaron Guthrie
22-02-2008, 10:20 PM
I was saying White was better. Kruupy was black.Ohhhhhh. Ooppsey.

Capablanca-Fan
23-02-2008, 06:43 PM
That is a rather quick dismissal of a well established line.
What would you like?

Aaron Guthrie
23-02-2008, 08:28 PM
What would you like?I am not sure what you mean. I don't think the line is so easily dismissed.

Capablanca-Fan
23-02-2008, 09:58 PM
I am not sure what you mean. I don't think the line is so easily dismissed.
OK, 2...g6 is not so common, but White's reply seemed to lose a lot of time with the Q.

Aaron Guthrie
23-02-2008, 10:21 PM
OK, 2...g6 is not so common, but White's reply seemed to lose a lot of time with the Q.White's reply is not so uncommon. In 2007 3 2500+'s played it, with 2 wins (one was against a 2300, but another was Sutovsky beating Guseinov) and one draw.