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Garvinator
02-02-2008, 01:59 PM
Game 3: ggrayggray v Kevin Bonham

Garvinator
02-02-2008, 02:01 PM
1. e4

Kevin Bonham
02-02-2008, 02:04 PM
1...e6

Garvinator
02-02-2008, 05:39 PM
1. e4 e6 2. d4

Kevin Bonham
02-02-2008, 05:45 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5

Garvinator
02-02-2008, 08:37 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 Nc3

Kevin Bonham
02-02-2008, 10:24 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6

Garvinator
02-02-2008, 10:39 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5

Kevin Bonham
02-02-2008, 11:03 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7

Garvinator
03-02-2008, 12:09 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5

Kevin Bonham
03-02-2008, 12:17 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7

Garvinator
03-02-2008, 08:31 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4

Kevin Bonham
04-02-2008, 11:23 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5

Garvinator
04-02-2008, 11:50 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7. Bxe7

Kevin Bonham
05-02-2008, 08:47 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7

Garvinator
05-02-2008, 09:42 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8. Qg4

Kevin Bonham
05-02-2008, 10:45 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6

Garvinator
05-02-2008, 11:37 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9. dxc5

Kevin Bonham
05-02-2008, 11:49 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5

Garvinator
06-02-2008, 12:11 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10. Qxg7

Kevin Bonham
07-02-2008, 12:17 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8

Garvinator
07-02-2008, 01:35 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11. Qxh7

Kevin Bonham
08-02-2008, 12:10 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7

Garvinator
08-02-2008, 01:35 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12. 0-0-0

Kevin Bonham
08-02-2008, 01:39 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5

Garvinator
08-02-2008, 05:46 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13. Qh6

Kevin Bonham
08-02-2008, 09:29 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4

Garvinator
11-02-2008, 01:26 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4

Kevin Bonham
13-02-2008, 09:35 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4

Garvinator
13-02-2008, 11:44 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4 15. Qh5

Kevin Bonham
13-02-2008, 11:58 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4 15. Qh5 Qxa2

Garvinator
14-02-2008, 02:12 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4 15. Qh5 Qxa2 16. Rh3

Kevin Bonham
14-02-2008, 10:13 PM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4 15. Qh5 Qxa2 16. Rh3 Qa1+ and after 17.Kd2 Qxb2.

Garvinator
15-02-2008, 12:43 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4 15. Qh5 Qxa2 16. Rh3 Qa1+ 17.Kd2 Qxb2 18. Rb3 if Qa2 19. Nf3

Kevin Bonham
15-02-2008, 01:06 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4 15. Qh5 Qxa2 16. Rh3 Qa1+ 17.Kd2 Qxb2 18. Rb3 Qa2 19. Nf3 Qa5+

Garvinator
15-02-2008, 02:02 AM
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.Qg4 Nc6 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Qxg7 Rg8 11.Qxh7 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.Qh6 d4 14. Ne4 Ng4 15. Qh5 Qxa2 16. Rh3 Qa1+ 17.Kd2 Qxb2 18. Rb3 Qa2 19. Nf3 Qa5+ 20. Kc1 draw offer

Kevin Bonham
15-02-2008, 10:53 PM
Draw accepted.

I had a lot of alternatives at ...19 but while F11 initially claimed five of them (!) to be 0.00, on further analysis some of them advantaged you.

If you wanted to play on there was 20.Ke2 and if ...Qa2 21.Rd2 but even there there is a sea of draws in all kinds of different lines. Actually I must have looked at dozens of different drawn variations on move 19, probably because both kings are so unsafe!

I don't actually know the line I played well and was just trying something different as I am intending to move towards not always playing the Winawer against certain opponents OTB.

I reckon some kind of repetition draw is a very likely result with best play in the 8.Qg4 line if white keeps queens on (and if not it's another French endgame :lol: ). There are some previous games like Benjamin-Seirawan 1991 and Nataf-Riazantsev 2006 (won by white and back respectively) but Seirawan's 13...Rg6 is clearly bad as is Nataf's 16.Ne4. It looks like your 14.Ne4 is safer than Nataf's 14.Nge2 but it does give black an easy draw.

NCO thinks 8.f4 is +/= but it only gives 8...Nc6 and 8...cxd4 as alternatives; it does not discuss 8...Qb6 which has been more popular than either since NCO was published and with fairly good results too.

Anyway, thanks for the game, it was short but lively!

Garvinator
19-02-2008, 10:46 PM
I reckon some kind of repetition draw is a very likely result with best play in the 8.Qg4 line if white keeps queens on (and if not it's another French endgame :lol: ). There are some previous games like Benjamin-Seirawan 1991 and Nataf-Riazantsev 2006 (won by white and back respectively) but Seirawan's 13...Rg6 is clearly bad as is Nataf's 16.Ne4. It looks like your 14.Ne4 is safer than Nataf's 14.Nge2 but it does give black an easy draw. I really wanted to play Nge2 because it gets away from the easy draws and gives an interesting games. But no matter how far into the game I was looking, it kept saying advantage to you by a small margin. So I decided, first game, no point going down 0-1 in a four game match just to play a lively game. Had we been much further into the match and so had some idea how the other games were going (likely results), I would have rolled the dice a bit with Nge2.

By the way, this whole game was book up until all the draws started appearing. By the time I realised it was all draw variations, it was too late.


Anyway, thanks for the game, it was short but lively!
Lively if not for the fact it was all book :eek:


NCO thinks 8.f4 is +/= but it only gives 8...Nc6 and 8...cxd4 as alternatives; it does not discuss 8...Qb6 which has been more popular than either since NCO was published and with fairly good results too.
I would be willing to play from here:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4 c5 7.Bxe7 Kxe7 8.f4 Qb6

Kevin Bonham
19-02-2008, 10:51 PM
Lively if not for the fact it was all book :eek:

Did you have 14.Ne4 as a book move too in any sense or did you just realise you would have to play it with all the draws that sprang up all over the place in the process?

Garvinator
19-02-2008, 10:54 PM
Did you have 14.Ne4 as a book move too in any sense or did you just realise you would have to play it with all the draws that sprang up all over the place in the process?
The auto fritz book and others that I have downloaded over time only gives Ne4 here. In any case, there is only Ne4 and Nge2 to choose from.

Kevin Bonham
19-02-2008, 11:15 PM
The auto fritz book and others that I have downloaded over time only gives Ne4 here. In any case, there is only Ne4 and Nge2 to choose from.

That's interesting, because my Fritz11 openings book only includes 14.Nge2 (I had been ignoring it for a few moves anyway.)