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Kevin Bonham
24-12-2006, 03:04 PM
This piece (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=74472) mentioned on TCG today reports that Carsten Hensel has filed a complaint with FIDE against Topalov over accusations of cheating and KGB involvement made in this interview (http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3553).

The FIDE Code of Ethics can be found here (http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=A10).

Especially relevant:

Players or members of their delegations must not make unjustified accusations toward other players, officials or sponsors. All protests must be referred directly to the arbiter or the Technical Director of the tournament.

What action (if any) do you think should be taken?

Garvinator
24-12-2006, 03:15 PM
Kevin,

I think the following three are all related and important:



2.2.9 Players or members of their delegations must not make unjustified accusations toward other players, officials or sponsors. All protests must be referred directly to the arbiter or the Technical Director of the tournament.

2.2.10 In addition, disciplinary action in accordance with this Code of Ethics will be taken in cases of occurrences which cause the game of chess, FIDE or its federations to appear in an unjustifiable unfavorable light and in this way damage its reputation.

2.2.11 Any conduct likely to injure or discredit the reputation of FIDE, its events, organizers, participants, sponsors or that will enhance the goodwill which attaches to the same.

Point of concern, what does this mean?


4.6 The time limit for appeal is twenty-one days following the communication of the decision concerning appeal. All recourse to ordinary courts is excluded.

Kevin Bonham
24-12-2006, 03:19 PM
I presume that means that outside of FIDE the only avenue of appeal is the international sporting courts.

Garvinator
24-12-2006, 05:21 PM
I presume that means that outside of FIDE the only avenue of appeal is the international sporting courts.
:hmm: I dont think any organisation can prevent a person or group of people from attempting to take action in judicial courts.

Kevin Bonham
24-12-2006, 08:28 PM
:hmm: I dont think any organisation can prevent a person or group of people from attempting to take action in judicial courts.

No, but such a condition indicates that FIDE will not regard such a course of action as valid, which means that as soon as such a case shows up in such a court FIDE can raise jurisdiction issues and presumably have it thrown out.

antichrist
24-12-2006, 08:40 PM
No, but such a condition indicates that FIDE will not regard such a course of action as valid, which means that as soon as such a case shows up in such a court FIDE can raise jurisdiction issues and presumably have it thrown out.

A bit like Matt's case you reakon?

Kevin Bonham
24-12-2006, 08:45 PM
I was waiting for someone to draw that kind of parallel.

It seems that the ease of transmission of information via the internet (in particular) is making the more serious end of off-board trash-talk a rising problem in our sport at many levels. I suspect other sports are going through similar things.

antichrist
24-12-2006, 09:22 PM
I can understand the feelings against Topalov but I remember similar allegations against an Aussie player probably about the time of your birth - who knows but if the winner does not have a reputation for cheating well it is pretty low

Kevin Bonham
25-12-2006, 09:56 PM
More at http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3562 . Topalov's website claims the interview is a paraphrase of stuff said by Danailov.

Danailov is claiming the second appeals committee resigned. This is the first time I have seen this claim.

Denis_Jessop
25-12-2006, 10:18 PM
There's also an article from Isvestia at http://www.izvestia.ru/sport/article3099681/ but it's in Russian so we need some of our Russian experts like Drug to translate. There is a link to the article on e3 e5.com.

DJ

Bill Gletsos
26-12-2006, 12:00 AM
More at http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3562 . Topalov's website claims the interview is a paraphrase of stuff said by Danailov.

Danailov is claiming the second appeals committee resigned. This is the first time I have seen this claim.According to Mig on ChessNinja the Topalov interview was recorded there were no errors in transcription.

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2006/12/burn_the_tapes.htm

antichrist
26-12-2006, 08:11 AM
so nobody is interested about the same allegations about a local champion before you were all born? SHows you have to go overseas to become famous and to be cared about - even to cop ridicule.

Kevin Bonham
28-12-2006, 04:18 PM
As noted by TCG today FIDE apparently won't be doing anything.


Actually this toilet scandal played a good PR role a lot of people took an interest in chess, Ilyumzhinov concluded.

:wall: :wall: :wall:

There is such thing as bad publicity, Kirsan!

Garvinator
29-12-2006, 09:43 PM
Of course this could be a silly question.

Isnt the fide ethics committee responsible for deciding if Topalov has breached the fide code of ethics ?

Therefore, how can Kirsan just say that there will be no action against Topalov. Of course this supposes that we are talking about a proper organisation, which is not fide.

Just sounds like another Kirsan example of dictatorship.

Basil
29-12-2006, 09:45 PM
Isnt the fide committee responsible for deciding if Topalov has breached the fide code of ethics the fide ethics committee?
Bites his tongue.