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qpawn
16-12-2006, 07:20 PM
I downloaded the demo version of chessmasterand started playing it at 5 minutes blitz. After a few comical losses that involved getting used to the whole setset up I got a loss where it said "impressive, you held out a long time and got some advantage but made a fatal error in the end [ snatching a fatal pawn with s econds left!] ". Bear in mind that in this game I got an advantage against a 2960 [ ELO? USCF?] monster WITHOUT HAVING ANY TIME TO THINK.

So, all the people here like Michael Baron and Kevin Bonham who don't think that I can play for shite. YOU can all suck. I can play. There are certain positions where I am very good such as the one in the game above. I will not give those types of positions away. That is for you to discover in postal chess. :evil:

I have absolutely no doubt that if I had been exposed to a chess-enrichment orientated environmnet such as Russia or Ukraine that I would be 2200 ELO AT LEAST. I have to agree with Sirota; Australia is a cricket-obesessed cricket backwater where it is very hard to acquire understanding of the 64 squares.

I have not enjoyed anyone's company on this forum. Maybe Firegoat was the only person whose presence I enjoyed at all. He was good enough t o email me once with some sort of support .

The rest of you can just suck. Good riddannce to this forum/ Good riddance to the lot of you.

Basil
16-12-2006, 07:23 PM
Bye ... again. Haven't you done one of these flamboyant snagglepusses before? (viz exit stage left)

Desmond
16-12-2006, 07:28 PM
http://images.usatoday.com/life/gallery/queen/wave.jpg

antichrist
16-12-2006, 07:31 PM
qpawn, I backed you up but it was deleted by the thought police, that is not my fault.
And Mike and KB deserve everything you can dish out to them

Kevin Bonham
16-12-2006, 10:49 PM
And Mike and KB deserve everything you can dish out to them

Doesn't sound especially damning to me!

qpawn has chucked these empty hissy-fits before and made numerous previous "last ever" posts. He'll be back (not that I care if he isn't).

Chessmaster itself only claims to be a mere 2931 ELO but that's nonsense anyway - that company has a looooooong history of overhyping the strength of their product. I downloaded the same trial and noticed that after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 it thinks for over 20 seconds before coming up with the not especially original 4...Nd4 (and also not generally such a great idea against a mere 2000 like myself who might now and then draw after 5.Nxd4). Also in training mode (which I suspect qpawn played it in) it plays some very odd and in some cases more or less dismissed-by-theory-as-dodgy lines. If you find one of these you can be a pawn up for little compensation out of the opening before getting gradually outplayed. Its play seems trappier than Fritz but I reckon a world-class GM would wreck it if it played such dubious lines - eg in the above 4 knights line it even plays 4...a6 or 3...g6 neither of which have great reputations.

qpawn, I don't think you can play much stronger than your rating indicates under controlled conditions and I couldn't care less what you claim you have done under uncontrolled conditions that nobody could possibly verify.

(Low-rated players here will know I have nothing against low-rated players in general and frequently put in an effort to helping with game analysis etc, and also treat low-rated opponents I play with respect because a low rating doesn't necessarily mean someone cannot play a good game. However low-rated players who carry on as if they are almost grandmasters then abuse anyone who disagrees are quite another matter.)

Mischa
16-12-2006, 11:11 PM
I have watched him play OTB
Um he seemed to struggle

Kevin Bonham
17-12-2006, 01:33 AM
And as for this "2950" Chessmaster ...

Bonham (2004) - Chessmaster 10 demo (claiming not convincingly to be 100 points stronger than the strongest human that ever lived)

Blitz: 5'+3" per move.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.Nxd4 exd4 6.e5 dxc3 7.exf6 Qxf6 8.dxc3 c6 9.Bd3 d5 10.0-0 Bd6 11.Qh5 h6 12.Re1+ Be6 13.Be3 0-0 14.Bd4 Qf4 15.Be5 Bxe5 16.Qxe5 Qxe5 17.Rxe5 Rfe8 18.Kf1 f6 19.Re3 Kf8 20.Rae1 Bf7 21.Rxe8+ Rxe8 22.Rxe8+ Kxe8 23.Ke2 Ke7 24.Ke3 c5 25.Be2 Be6 26.Bf3 Kd6 27.c4 d4+ 28.Kd3 b6 29.c3 Bf5+ 30.Kd2 g5 31.cxd4 cxd4 32.b4 Bb1 33.a3 f5 34.Be2 Be4 35.Bd3 Bxg2 36.Bxf5 h5 37.Kd3 Ke5 38.Bg6 Bf1+ 39.Kd2 Bxc4 40.Bxh5 Ke4 41.Bg4 a5 42.bxa5 bxa5 43.Bh5 Bb5 44.Bd1 Ba6 45.Bh5 Bc8 46.Bd1 d3 47.Bh5 Bf5 48.Bd1 Bh3 49.Bh5 Kd4 50.Bg6 Bf1 51.Bh7 g4 52.Bg6 Be2 53.Bh7 Kc4 54.Bf5 Kd4 55.Bh7 Bf1 56.Bf5 Be2 57.Bh7 1/2-1/2

OK, it took me 25 goes to get that draw; the beast is strong. But if it was Kramnik or Topalov I was up against I probably wouldn't be getting a draw in 250 goes. And rather than getting pasted in the other 25 I should have drawn three or four and was probably better before getting outplayed in two.

It also had the temerity to say I could have won. This cast doubts on the credibility of its comment to qpawn. No doubt it is programmed to whisper soft nothings to relatively weak players in order to encourage them to keep playing and improve.

There ought to be laws against chess programs overstating their ability in this way. The laws ought to specifically state that their purpose is to stop upjumped mediocrities like qpawn from getting ridiculous headswells. :P

Desmond
17-12-2006, 09:07 AM
Kevin, does it let you repeat that game ad finitum, or does it deviate?

Rincewind
17-12-2006, 09:18 AM
Speaking of Chessmaster 10 edition. My 10 year old son has a huge rating in that game - far in excess of mine. He has done that by playing the top level at very short time controls (2'+0") and winning on time. :)

He hasn't learnt much about chess other than a higher rating earns you bragging rights, no matter how you got the points.

antichrist
17-12-2006, 09:22 AM
skaro's timing is a bit out, this thread should have been commenced at 9pm

Kevin Bonham
17-12-2006, 02:38 PM
Kevin, does it let you repeat that game ad finitum, or does it deviate?

Haven't found out yet - only played another half a dozen games against it last night and it plays a wide range of lines against 1.e4.

Will be interesting to see (if I can before my eight free hours runs out!) whether it has the same problem as some versions of Fritz, which will back themselves to successfully deviate too late in a drawn game.

Kevin Bonham
17-12-2006, 05:12 PM
Kevin, does it let you repeat that game ad finitum, or does it deviate?

It just permitted me to repeat the whole game, except that its end of game message:


However, you could’ve won this game have[sic] you been more careful.

was a slightly different wording to what it said last time (but with the same meaning).

littlesprout85
20-04-2007, 06:27 PM
Wazz^ qpawns :D

Its all good here, sprout doesnt have a great rating- But Every Dog Has its day :D

Dont let these chessmaster get yea downz- Sprouty has got only a 1300 rating but sometimez play a good game. Play better on longer timed games and good at the 10 min rounds now but any lower and Sprouts rating suffers:eek:

Seen yea back on here at chess chat. Good to cya :o) luv to play some at playchess.com any time with yea qpawns ('-')

-sprout :)

Garrett
21-04-2007, 07:40 AM
Sounds more like a kings rook pawn. (happy Boris :P )

Desmond
21-04-2007, 08:36 AM
Sounds more like a h-pawn.Or 'an h-pawn', depending on how heloquent you are. ;)

Capablanca-Fan
21-04-2007, 12:39 PM
And as for this "2950" Chessmaster ...

Bonham (2004) - Chessmaster 10 demo (claiming not convincingly to be 100 points stronger than the strongest human that ever lived)

Blitz: 5'+3" per move.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Nd4 5.Nxd4 exd4 6.e5 dxc3 7.exf6 Qxf6 ... 1/2-1/2

OK, it took me 25 goes to get that draw; the beast is strong. But if it was Kramnik or Topalov I was up against I probably wouldn't be getting a draw in 250 goes.

I think the main reason for that is just what you noted in Post 5: that they simply wouldn't allow a much weaker player to play a dull-as-ditchwater drawing line like that. But the computer doesn't know it's supposed to be thrashing those below GM level, so played an objectively perfectly good line for Black. Actually at blitz you did well in holding off the silicon monster, because even in those dull positions there is plenty of scope for blunders.


It also had the temerity to say I could have won. This cast doubts on the credibility of its comment to qpawn. No doubt it is programmed to whisper soft nothings to relatively weak players in order to encourage them to keep playing and improve.

I know someone like that who is probably <1200 but talks about his great rating against the computer, so you can't teach him anything.

Kevin Bonham
25-04-2007, 12:25 AM
Actually at blitz you did well in holding off the silicon monster, because even in those dull positions there is plenty of scope for blunders.

I have a lot of practice in playing the same line in blitz vs Fritz.

Actually what's really scary is how often a really good computer will outplay me in that position without needing a blunder.