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MichaelBaron
22-11-2008, 11:13 AM
Not a very good day for auzzie men..they were unlucky to lose (I believe Darryl's position was very good) or well....next round they play Turkmenistan so should be able to bounce back.

NZ team fought bravely against Ukraine..but Ukraine is Ukrane and New Zealand is New Zealand :doh: . Next round, Kiwis get another tough match - this time against Georgia.

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2008, 11:46 AM
Australian women as expected defeated Barbados 4-0 and are now in 50th place just ahead of seeding. They now play 83rd seeds Syria:


1 WIM Algildah Nibal 1951 SYR ˝ 1 0 1 ˝ ˝ 0 ˝ 4,0 8 1819 1,5 1,82 -0,32 15 -4,8
2 Stef Shirin 0 SYR 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 5,0 8 1951 2
3 Al-Jelda Fatma 1857 SYR 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 3,0 8 1734 0 1,18 -1,18 25 -29,5
5 Mir Mahmoud Afamia 2024 SYR 0 0 ˝ 1 1 1 0 1 4,5 8 1867 2,5 3,42 -0,92 15 -13,8

who are among the weaker teams in the 8 point scoregroup; hopefully we will win this one easily.

The Open team are still struggling in 75th position. Their next round opponents, Turkmenistan, are seeded 77th. Their board four is having an outstanding Olympiad and is currently on 7.5/8.


1 IM Kakageldyev Amanmurad 2449 TKM 1 0 1 0 ˝ 1 ˝ 0 4,0 8 2359 3 3,07 -0,07 10 -0,7
2 FM Esenov Annaberdi 2319 TKM 1 ˝ 0 0 ˝ 1 1 ˝ 4,5 8 2211 3,5 2,21 1,29 15 19,4
3 Atabaev Yusyup 2219 TKM 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 3,0 8 2132 2 2,59 -0,59 15 -8,9
4 IM Amanov Mesgen 2357 TKM 1 1 1 1 ˝ 1 1 1 7,5 8 2634 6,5 3,86 2,64 10 26,4

Garvinator
22-11-2008, 12:00 PM
Their board four is having an outstanding Olympiad and is currently on 7.5/8.
By rating he should be on board two.

Capablanca-Fan
22-11-2008, 12:01 PM
By rating he should be on board two.
How much leeway are teams allowed with board order?

Garvinator
22-11-2008, 12:08 PM
Making the table easier to read.

1 IM Kakageldyev Amanmurad 2449 1 0 1 0 ˝ 1 ˝ 0 4,0 8 2359 3 3,07 -0,07 10 -0,7
2 FM Esenov Annaberdi 2319 1 ˝ 0 0 ˝ 1 1 ˝ 4,5 8 2211 3,5 2,21 1,29 15 19,4
3 Atabaev Yusyup 2219 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 3,0 8 2132 2 2,59 -0,59 15 -8,9
4 IM Amanov Mesgen 2357 1 1 1 1 ˝ 1 1 1 7,5 8 2634 6,5 3,86 2,64 10 26,4

Garvinator
22-11-2008, 12:09 PM
How much leeway are teams allowed with board order?
From re-collection of previous discussions on here, teams can play in any order, but their order from 1 to 5 must be submitted before the Olympiad starts. So if a team was to elect to put their highest rated on board 4 at the start, that is where that player must stay for the entire Olympiad.

eclectic
22-11-2008, 12:13 PM
i thought it always had to be in rating order

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2008, 12:15 PM
Crossfire was discussing why white resigned in Mamedyarov-Short in the shoutbox:

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bxf6 Bxf6 7. e3 O-O 8. Qb3 dxc4 9. Qxc4 b6 10. O-O-O Bb7 11. Bd3 c5 12. dxc5 Qe7 13. Ne4 Nd7 14. Bc2 Rfc8 15. Nd6 Rxc5 16. Qd3 Nf8 17. Nxb7 Qxb7 18. Kb1 Rac8 19. Rd2 a5 20. Qe4 Qc7 21. Nd4 a4 22. a3 b5 23. f4 b4 24. axb4 Rc4 25. b5 a3 0-1

White's biggest issue here is that black will simply take on b2 then play Qa5 and mate. If White takes on a3 Black still plays Qa5 and White needs to stop Qxa3 but has to give up material to do so. If White takes on b2 with the king then the knight becomes pinned and after ...Rb4+ if white tries to prevent the position completely opening up with Bb3 then ...Nd7 heading for c5 wins lots of material.

White's 15.Nd6 looks like rubbish but his position was probably dodgy anyway.

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2008, 12:18 PM
i thought it always had to be in rating order

No, teams can play in any order they like so long as they play in that fixed order. That allows for nations like us that use selection rather than ratings to determine board order. But there are also cases where teams play out of rating order for reasons other than strength; eg a relatively weak player lucratively sponsors a team on the condition that he gets to play board 1 (Australia played some SE Asian team that did this last Olympiad or the one before). It's hard to tell how many teams deliberately juggle their order to try to manipulate the results or go for board medals.

Crossfire (Axiom)
22-11-2008, 12:18 PM
Crossfire was discussing why white resigned in Mamedyarov-Short in the shoutbox:

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bxf6 Bxf6 7. e3 O-O 8. Qb3 dxc4 9. Qxc4 b6 10. O-O-O Bb7 11. Bd3 c5 12. dxc5 Qe7 13. Ne4 Nd7 14. Bc2 Rfc8 15. Nd6 Rxc5 16. Qd3 Nf8 17. Nxb7 Qxb7 18. Kb1 Rac8 19. Rd2 a5 20. Qe4 Qc7 21. Nd4 a4 22. a3 b5 23. f4 b4 24. axb4 Rc4 25. b5 a3 0-1

White's biggest issue here is that black will simply take on b2 then play Qa5 and mate. If White takes on a3 Black still plays Qa5 and White needs to stop Qxa3 but has to give up material to do so. If White takes on b2 with the king then the knight becomes pinned and after ...Rb4+ if white tries to prevent the position completely opening up with Bb3 then ...Nd7 heading for c5 wins lots of material.

White's 15.Nd6 looks like rubbish but his position was probably dodgy anyway.Thank you Kevin .
What if white were to play b3 now ?

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2008, 12:23 PM
Thank you Kevin .
What if white were to play b3 now ?

If 26.b3 Rxd4 and if white recaptures with something other than the queen then ...Qc3 threatening mate and promotion of a-pawn is crushing.

Crossfire (Axiom)
22-11-2008, 12:30 PM
If 26.b3 Rxd4 and if white recaptures with something other than the queen then ...Qc3 threatening mate and promotion of a-pawn is crushing.
Qc3 !
yes , thank you.

looks like white castled into trouble, k-side castling would have given white a more solid game ?

Garvinator
22-11-2008, 12:35 PM
It's hard to tell how many teams deliberately juggle their order to try to manipulate the results or go for board medals.
When match points were announced, I had expected more teams to put their top players on lower boards in an attempt to get to 2.5 or at least 2.0, but this does not seem to have occurred much.

Garvinator
22-11-2008, 12:36 PM
If 26.b3 Rxd4 and if white recaptures with something other than the queen then ...Qc3 threatening mate and promotion of a-pawn is crushing.
It does seem that white gets caught in the crossfire no matter what he chooses. Resign almost seems the best move :eek:

pax
22-11-2008, 01:17 PM
When match points were announced, I had expected more teams to put their top players on lower boards in an attempt to get to 2.5 or at least 2.0, but this does not seem to have occurred much.
Philippines have Villamayor on board 1, which is clearly dodgy. Doesn't seem to be helping them, though.

Igor_Goldenberg
22-11-2008, 01:28 PM
I think strength order yields the best result for the team, whatever scoring system is used, at least on average.

Denis_Jessop
22-11-2008, 02:40 PM
The system in use is the Burstein Swiss Pairing System.

You can read about it here (http://www.fide.com/info/handbook?id=86&view=article).

But the FIDE Handbook has special rules for the Olympiad Pairings at

http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=95&view=article

DJ

Intuition
22-11-2008, 06:12 PM
I felt Daryl's pain when I looked at his game....im sure he will bounce back tho :D, im sure he's not the first to blow a winning position

Phil Bourke
22-11-2008, 09:22 PM
I felt Daryl's pain when I looked at his game....im sure he will bounce back tho :D, im sure he's not the first to blow a winning position
Got to be the hardest thing to come back from quickly. Hope that those around him have talked about the good wins and got him away from dwelling on it, because like you said, it has to be filed away under, "Ain't the first time, won't be the last time, got another game to play."

Igor_Goldenberg
22-11-2008, 09:31 PM
I felt Daryl's pain when I looked at his game....im sure he will bounce back tho :D, im sure he's not the first to blow a winning position
Indeed a very sad finish to one of the best games he played.

Crossfire (Axiom)
22-11-2008, 09:53 PM
[Event "Chess Olympiad 2008"]
[Site "Dresden"]
[Date "2008.11.21"]
[Round "8.20"]
[White "Johansen, Darryl K"]
[Black "Bogut, Zeljko"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2446"]
[BlackElo "2464"]
[WhiteCountry "AUS"]
[BlackCountry "BIH"]

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. e3 Bb4 5. Qc2 O-O 6. Nd5 Re8 7. Qf5 d6 8. Nxf6+ gxf6 9. Qh5 e4 10. a3 Bc5 11. b4 exf3 12. bxc5 Re5 13. Qxf3 Nd4 14. Qd1 Bf5 15. Ra2 dxc5 16. f4 Re8 17. Kf2 Nc6 18. Qh5 Qd7 19. g4 Bg6 20. Qh4 Be4 21. Rg1 Re6 22. Rg3 Rae8 23. Rh3 Kf8 24. f5 Rd6 25. d3 Bxd3 26. Bxd3 Rxd3 27. Qxf6 Ne5 28. Qh8+ Ke7 29. Qxe5+ Kd8 30. Qf6+ Kc8 31. Rxh7 Rd1 32. Qc3 Qc6 33. Rh8 b6 34. Rxe8+ Qxe8 35. Bb2 Qe4 36. Ra1 Rd3 37. Qe5 Rd2+ 38. Ke1 Qg2 0-1

Bill Gletsos
22-11-2008, 10:05 PM
But the FIDE Handbook has special rules for the Olympiad Pairings at

http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=95&view=article

DJI had already referred to the Olympiad Pairing regulations earlier in the thread in post #309 here (http://www.chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=216237&postcount=309).

MichaelBaron
22-11-2008, 10:21 PM
I just hope Darryl stays strong, he has been playing tournament of his life so far..

Kevin Bonham
22-11-2008, 11:10 PM
Anyone know if or why Solomon's opponent resigned in this position in round 5:

Solomon,SJ (2470) - Chan Wei Xuan,T (2264) [C69]
38th Olympiad Dresden GER (5), 17.11.2008



1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Ne7 6.Nxe5 Qd4 7.Qh5 g6 8.Qg5 Bg7 9.Nf3 Qxe4 10.Re1 Qb4 11.c3 Qd6 12.d4 h6 13.Qg3 Qxg3 14.hxg3 Be6 15.Bf4 0-0-0 16.Nbd2 g5 17.Be5 Bxe5 18.Nxe5 Nd5 19.Ne4 f6 20.Nc5 Bg8 21.Ng6 Rh7 22.c4 Nb4 23.Ne7+ Kb8 24.Nxg8 Rxg8 25.Re6 Rd8 26.Rxf6 Rxd4 27.b3 Rd2 28.Re1 Ka7 29.a4 Nd3 30.Nxd3 Rxd3 31.Re3 Rxe3 32.fxe3 Rd7 33.e4 Re7 34.Rxh6 Rxe4 35.Kf2 c5 36.Rf6 Rd4 37.Ke3 b5 38.axb5 axb5 39.Rf5 bxc4 40.bxc4 Rxc4 41.Rxg5 Kb6 42.g4 Rc3+ 43.Kf4 Rc4+ 44.Kf5 Rc2 45.g3 Re2 46.Rh5 Rf2+ 47.Ke4 Kc6 48.Rf5 Ra2 49.g5 Kd6 50.g6 Ra4+ 51.Kf3 Ke7 52.Rf7+ 1-0

It's typical Solomon endgame magic to have reached such a favourable position from what was a dead draw but black's final position still looks pretty tenable to me. So were more moves played or did Black resign prematurely or lose on time?

Saragossa
23-11-2008, 12:10 AM
why didn't Johansen play Qe8+ Kb7 Qe4+ after Qxe4 KxR still losing but there are still chances?

Ivanchuk_Fan
23-11-2008, 05:39 AM
Australian men's team defeat Turkmenistan 4-0.

Australian women's team defeat Syria 3.5-.5.

New Zealand men's team loses 0-4 to Georgia.

New Zealand women's team loses 1-3 to Iceland.

From the official website. However, the results there have been wrong before, so I cannot guarantee that these are 100% accurate.

Igor_Goldenberg
23-11-2008, 07:35 AM
Anyone know if or why Solomon's opponent resigned in this position in round 5:

Solomon,SJ (2470) - Chan Wei Xuan,T (2264) [C69]
38th Olympiad Dresden GER (5), 17.11.2008



1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Ne7 6.Nxe5 Qd4 7.Qh5 g6 8.Qg5 Bg7 9.Nf3 Qxe4 10.Re1 Qb4 11.c3 Qd6 12.d4 h6 13.Qg3 Qxg3 14.hxg3 Be6 15.Bf4 0-0-0 16.Nbd2 g5 17.Be5 Bxe5 18.Nxe5 Nd5 19.Ne4 f6 20.Nc5 Bg8 21.Ng6 Rh7 22.c4 Nb4 23.Ne7+ Kb8 24.Nxg8 Rxg8 25.Re6 Rd8 26.Rxf6 Rxd4 27.b3 Rd2 28.Re1 Ka7 29.a4 Nd3 30.Nxd3 Rxd3 31.Re3 Rxe3 32.fxe3 Rd7 33.e4 Re7 34.Rxh6 Rxe4 35.Kf2 c5 36.Rf6 Rd4 37.Ke3 b5 38.axb5 axb5 39.Rf5 bxc4 40.bxc4 Rxc4 41.Rxg5 Kb6 42.g4 Rc3+ 43.Kf4 Rc4+ 44.Kf5 Rc2 45.g3 Re2 46.Rh5 Rf2+ 47.Ke4 Kc6 48.Rf5 Ra2 49.g5 Kd6 50.g6 Ra4+ 51.Kf3 Ke7 52.Rf7+ 1-0

It's typical Solomon endgame magic to have reached such a favourable position from what was a dead draw but black's final position still looks pretty tenable to me. So were more moves played or did Black resign prematurely or lose on time?

They actually played 52...Ke6? 53.Rf8 and pawn is unstoppable.

WhiteElephant
23-11-2008, 08:50 AM
Israel beat Armenia to take the lead. Not bad for a little country with a third of the population of Australia.

pax
23-11-2008, 09:24 AM
Australian men's team defeat Turkmenistan 4-0.
That's a great result: especially on board 4!

Capablanca-Fan
23-11-2008, 09:33 AM
Israel beat Armenia to take the lead. Not bad for a little country with a third of the population of Australia.
Heh, I recall at Olympiads they joked that Israel was the Soviet B team, and America sometimes looked like their C team.

pax
23-11-2008, 09:52 AM
Heh, I recall at Olympiads they joked that Israel was the Soviet B team, and America sometimes looked like their C team.
Meanwhile, the A-team are languishing on board 5!

pax
23-11-2008, 09:56 AM
Israel have bounced back from a pretty ordinary start: they drew with Latvia and Lithuania, and only barely beat Egypt and Sweden.

Miranda
23-11-2008, 10:47 AM
Israel is going suprisingly well!

Kevin Bonham
23-11-2008, 11:14 AM
Australian men's team defeat Turkmenistan 4-0.

Australian women's team defeat Syria 3.5-.5.

4-0 against Turkmenistan is a great result; naturally I thought we would beat them but I thought they would be competitive enough not to lose 4-0. Must be great for Xie especially defeating Amanov who has already beaten two GMs and two IMs (albeit none of them that highly rated) this event.

We have now moved up to 60th in the Open which is still unremarkable (NZ 63rd) but we now play 58th seeded Brazil:


1 GM Lima Darcy 2488 BRA ˝ 1 ˝ ˝ 0 1 0 3,5 7 2444 3,5 3,89 -0,39 10 -3,9
2 GM Sunye Neto Jaime 2488 BRA ˝ ˝ 1 0 0 1 1 ˝ 4,5 8 2397 3,5 3,49 0,01 10 0,1
3 FM El Debs Felipe De Cresce 2447 BRA 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 6,0 8 2535 6 4,99 1,01 10 10,1
4 IM Braga Cicero Nogueira 2415 BRA ˝ ˝ 0 ˝ 1 1 ˝ 4,0 7 2407 4 3,95 0,05 10 0,5
5 IM Diamant Andre 2412 BRA 0 1 1 0 ˝ 0 2,5 6 2315 2,5 3,26 -0,76 10 -7,6

Women's team have moved to 45th and now play a strong opponent 20th seed Sweden:


1 GM Cramling Pia 2550 SWE 1 1 1 1 1 1 ˝ 6,5 7 2541 6,5 5,71 0,79 10 7,9
2 WIM Agrest Svetlana 2258 SWE 0 1 1 1 1 0 ˝ 4,5 7 2122 3,5 3,53 -0,03 15 -0,4
3 WIM Tetenkina Irina 2243 SWE 0 0 1 ˝ 0 0 1 2,5 7 2003 2,5 4,37 -1,87 15 -28,0
4 Agrest Inna 2215 SWE ˝ 0 1 1 ˝ 1 1 0 5,0 8 2103 4 4,35 -0,35 15 -5,3
5 WFM Pavlovskaia Evgenia 2197 SWE 1 0 1 0 ˝ 1 ˝ 4,0 7 1984 3 4,35 -1,35 15 -20,3

Notably Cramling is carrying the Swedish team and the rest are neither particularly highly rated nor performing all that well, so we do have some hope here although they are the stronger team.

Bill Gletsos
23-11-2008, 11:22 AM
Round 10

Open
22. Turkey - New Zealand
26. Brazil - Australia
35. Phillipines - Tunisia
69. Papua New Guinea - Surinam

Womens
2. Phillipines - Germany1
22. Sweden - Australia
46. New Zealand - Libya

Ian Murray
23-11-2008, 11:25 AM
They actually played 52...Ke6? 53.Rf8 and pawn is unstoppable.
The Round 5 All Games download file actually shows the game finishing at move 36. Hopeless

MichaelBaron
23-11-2008, 12:15 PM
Heh, I recall at Olympiads they joked that Israel was the Soviet B team, and America sometimes looked like their C team.

Actually, other than Gelfand - all of the other Israeli team members have been living in Israel from very young age. Therefore, full credit should go to the Israeli school of chess.:clap:

Capablanca-Fan
23-11-2008, 01:07 PM
Actually, other than Gelfand — all of the other Israeli team members have been living in Israel from very young age. Therefore, full credit should go to the Israeli school of chess.:clap:
For sure, a great achievement, and there wouldn't be anything wrong even if the team were immigrants. But note that my comment was a recollection of my own Olympiad days, hence the reference to "Soviet". E.g. in Manila 1992, the first one after the USSR broke up, the Israeli team was

1. Lev Psakhis (Russia) GM
2. Ilya Smirin (Belarus) GM
3. Boris Alterman (Ukraine) IM (soon to be GM)
4. Leonid (now Zvulon) Gofshtein (Ukraine) IM (later GM)
5. Yehuda Grünfeld (near enough to home-grown Israeli although he was born in Poland) GM
6. Yaacov Zilberman (might be a native) IM (now GM)

MichaelBaron
23-11-2008, 01:29 PM
For sure, a great achievement, and there wouldn't be anything wrong even if the team were immigrants. But note that my comment was a recollection of my own Olympiad days, hence the reference to "Soviet". E.g. in Manila 1992, the first one after the USSR broke up, the Israeli team was

1. Lev Psakhis (Russia) GM
2. Ilya Smirin (Belarus) GM
3. Boris Alterman (Ukraine) IM (soon to be GM)
4. Leonid (now Zvulon) Gofshtein (Ukraine) IM (later GM)
5. Yehuda Grünfeld (near enough to home-grown Israeli although he was born in Poland) GM
6. Yaacov Zilberman (might be a native) IM (now GM)
True, Gruenfeld was the only one who was kind of Israeli.

Zilberman was no native, I believe he was a Ukranian master in the late 1970's early 1980's.

bobby1972
23-11-2008, 02:19 PM
yeah what a team,they could probably field another team that would be very strong also.not many countries could.4 zip for australia ,i hope they beat brazil and can get to play a strong team in the last round and finish with gusto.

Metro
23-11-2008, 03:14 PM
yeah what a team,they could probably field another team that would be very strong also.not many countries could.4 zip for australia ,i hope they beat brazil and can get to play a strong team in the last round and finish with gusto.
Very good result for Australia:clap:
Have you noticed in Amiels' blog how Kiwis are a noisy lot when they are doing better than Oz.Now they are eerily silent:lol:

arosar
23-11-2008, 05:04 PM
Meanwhile, the A-team are languishing on board 5!

Karpov had some very interesting things to say about this last night in the press con. He cited, in particular, his relationship with Kaspy and how they managed to rise above their personal division for the sake of team glory.

Look out for a summary of the press con later today in the blog as well as mention of the Tromso bid party which, to a certain extent, was even better than Bermuda and was also the Aussie team's de facto celebration party.

Good day from snow-covered Dresden!

AR

Capablanca-Fan
23-11-2008, 05:57 PM
Have you noticed in Amiels' blog
I wouldn't know, because he doesn't link from his sig! :wall: :wall: :wall:

how Kiwis are a noisy lot when they are doing better than Oz.Now they are eerily silent:lol:
Of course. They really need to play each other.

Zwischenzug
23-11-2008, 06:45 PM
I wouldn't know, because he doesn't link from his sig! :wall: :wall: :wall:
If you want to visit it: The Closet Grandmaster ('closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com')

Miranda
23-11-2008, 06:46 PM
Your blog is great, Amiel!


The Aussies would smash the NZ team anyday ;)

Davidflude
23-11-2008, 06:57 PM
Your blog is great, Amiel!


The Aussies would smash the NZ team anyday ;)

1) won at cricket

2) lost at League

3) lost at Union

Remember Phar Lap was a kiwi horse.

Igor_Goldenberg
23-11-2008, 08:03 PM
Br. 58 BRA Brazil (BRA) Elo - 53 AUS Australia (AUS) Elo 0 : 0
26.1 GM Lima Darcy 2488 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567
26.2 GM Sunye Neto Jaime 2488 - IM Smerdon David 2470
26.3 FM El Debs Felipe De Cresce 2447 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2470
26.4 IM Braga Cicero Nogueira 2415 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2446


Br. 20 SWE Sweden (SWE) Elo - 54 AUS Australia (AUS) Elo 0 : 0
22.1 GM Cramling Pia 2550 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2170
22.2 WIM Tetenkina Irina 2243 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101
22.3 Agrest Inna 2215 - WIM Moylan Laura 2114
22.4 WFM Pavlovskaia Evgenia 2197 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103

Garvinator
23-11-2008, 08:24 PM
Brazil Elo Australia Elo

GM Lima Darcy 2488 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567
GM Sunye Neto Jaime 2488 IM Smerdon David 2470
FM El Debs Felipe De Cresce 2447 IM Solomon Stephen J 2470
IM Braga Cicero Nogueira 2415 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446

Basil
23-11-2008, 08:25 PM
1) won at cricket

2) lost at League

3) lost at Union

Remember Phar Lap was a kiwi horse.
The Kiwis also speak English which is a distinct improvement on what the Australians speak ;)

eclectic
23-11-2008, 08:27 PM
The Kiwis also speak English which is a distinct improvement on what the Australians speak ;)

yewe gitta beh keddin!

Adamski
23-11-2008, 09:51 PM
yewe gitta beh keddin!nah he's not - but we did have feesh and cheeps for dinner tonight! Go both Australasian teams in the early hours of this morning.

Davidflude
23-11-2008, 10:29 PM
I really like Manuel's reports. It is good to see that the ladies team are playing the dragon from both sides of the board.

One important question is as to which database the team is using.

Another question is "How much time does the team have to prepare from when pairings are announced to when games start?"

TheJoker
24-11-2008, 12:50 AM
Remember Phar Lap was a kiwi horse.

You know why Kiwi horses run so fast don't u?

They saw what happened to the sheep:lol:

Qbert
24-11-2008, 05:01 AM
Very good result for Australia:clap:
Have you noticed in Amiels' blog how Kiwis are a noisy lot when they are doing better than Oz.Now they are eerily silent:lol:
Why turn this otherwise inclusive thread into an NZ vs Oz flamewar? One good reason is that some people have better things to do than get up early on weekend to watch chess. Except for one match - which was justly celebrated :owned: - against B & H the NZ team has scored according to its seeding, which is not high. Congratulations to the Australian team on their result this morning. :clap:

Miranda
24-11-2008, 07:40 AM
Get up early to watch chess?

Us aussies just stay up late ;)

Garvinator
24-11-2008, 07:47 AM
Get up early to watch chess?

Us aussies just stay up late ;)
Well for the nzers they are two hours ahead of us, or three hours for us up here in Qld.

Igor_Goldenberg
24-11-2008, 08:30 AM
58 BRA Brazil (BRA) Elo - 53 AUS Australia (AUS) 1˝:2˝
GM Lima Darcy 2488 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 0 - 1
GM Sunye Neto Jaime 2488 - IM Smerdon David 2470 0 - 1
FM El Debs Felipe De Cresce 2447 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2470 1 - 0
IM Braga Cicero Nogueira 2415 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 ˝ - ˝

Igor_Goldenberg
24-11-2008, 08:35 AM
SWE Sweden (SWE) Elo - 54 Australia (AUS) Elo 3 : 1
GM Cramling Pia 2550 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2170 1 - 0
WIM Tetenkina Irina 2243 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2101 1 - 0
Agrest Inna 2215 - WIM Moylan Laura 2114 ˝ - ˝
WFM Pavlovskaia Evgenia 2197 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2103 ˝ - ˝

Miranda
24-11-2008, 08:58 AM
ouch, the women's team didn't do too well. Hopefully for the last round they have easy opponents though!

Leonid Sandler
24-11-2008, 09:11 AM
Yes Miranda,
Your prayers had been answered! Our ladies team will be playing chess(not soccer!)against Brazil.Lucky pairing in my opinion.Hopefully after day off they will be able to beat Brazil dramaticaly improving final ranking.
Our mens team were not that lucky their opponents Cuba with World Blitz Champion 2008 on board one.Lets hope that our both teams can raise to occasion and finish Olympiad on the high note!

Miranda
24-11-2008, 09:20 AM
Ouch, Zhao has to play Domiguez? (or however you spell it :lol: )

What was Brazil originally seeded?

(I can't access the olympiad site at school lol)

Kevin Bonham
24-11-2008, 09:22 AM
We're currently placed 46th (seeded 53rd) and for that we have to play 16th seeded Cuba who are on the same score as us but currently placed 27th.


1 GM Dominguez Perez Leinier 2719 CUB ˝ ˝ ˝ 1 ˝ ˝ 1 ˝ ˝ ˝ 6,0 10 2699 6 6,22 -0,22 10 -2,2
2 GM Bruzon Batista Lazaro 2623 CUB 1 ˝ 0 1 ˝ 0 ˝ 1 ˝ 0 5,0 10 2586 5 5,50 -0,50 10 -5,0
3 GM Quezada Perez Yuniesky 2580 CUB ˝ 1 0 1 ˝ 1 ˝ 1 ˝ 0 6,0 10 2628 6 5,33 0,67 10 6,7
4 GM Hernandez Carmenates Holden 2580 CUB 1 ˝ 0 ˝ ˝ 1 ˝ 4,0 7 2569 4 4,08 -0,08 10 -0,8
5 GM Nogueiras Santiago Jesus 2574 CUB 1 0 ˝ 1,5 3 2527 1,5 1,68 -0,18 10 -1,8

It's not like Cuba are even playing badly, they just happened to lose their last match. In terms of our likely final finishing position we probably would have been better off drawing our previous match.

The women are now in 52nd position marginally ahead of seeding and play Brazil who are seeded 62nd and placed 60th.


1 WFM Terao Juliana Sayumi 2143 BRA 1 0 0 1 1 ˝ ˝ 0 1 5,0 9 2132 4 3,73 0,27 15 4,1
2 WFM Feliciano Vanessa 2126 BRA 1 0 0 0 1 ˝ 1 0 3,5 8 1999 2,5 3,19 -0,69 15 -10,4
3 WIM Chaves Joara 2065 BRA 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 6,0 8 2139 5 3,80 1,20 15 18,0
4 Gazola Vanessa Ramos 1973 BRA 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 4,0 8 1736 0 1,48 -1,48 15 -22,2
5 Coelho Tatiane Cristina 1820 BRA 0 ˝ 1 1 0 ˝ ˝ 3,5 7 1955 3,5 2,64 0,86 25 21,5

Miranda
24-11-2008, 09:43 AM
Well... at least we know that our second-last score was as good as Cuba's, a team of GMs :)

Cuba's 5th board name:
GM Nogueiras Santiago Jesus

:lol:

Kevin Bonham
24-11-2008, 10:03 AM
As for the outright standings these are the matches that matter:


1 3 CHN China 25˝ 16 : 17 28˝ Armenia ARM 9
3 10 USA United States of America 25˝ 15 : 17 25 Ukraine UKR 2
4 8 ISR Israel 25˝ 16 : 15 26 Netherlands NED 20

Armenia (17), Ukraine (17), China (16) and Israel (16) are still capable of winning the Olympiad although Israel would need to do it on tiebreak (haven't checked for sure to see if they can do it.)

And in the women's:


1 9 POL Poland 26 17 : 16 27˝ Ukraine UKR 2
3 4 GEO Georgia 28 16 : 16 25˝ Serbia SRB 10

Poland, Ukraine, Georgia and Serbia are in contention although the latter two can only do it on tiebreak. (Again I have not checked to see for sure if Serbia can do it.)

Ian Murray
24-11-2008, 10:21 AM
Cuba's 5th board name:
GM Nogueiras Santiago Jesus
A common Spanish first name. Pronounced Haysus

Capablanca-Fan
24-11-2008, 10:38 AM
A common Spanish first name. Pronounced Haysus
We have it in English: Josh(ua) is basically the same name.

Ian Rout
24-11-2008, 10:54 AM
At a recent event, I think one of the World Cups, a Russian player (Morozevich?) was quoted as saying that Russians like to play in Siberia, because if they lose Putin can't send them to Siberia.

They may be in trouble this time.

Miranda
24-11-2008, 11:20 AM
At a recent event, I think one of the World Cups, a Russian player (Morozevich?) was quoted as saying that Russians like to play in Siberia, because if they lose Putin can't send them to Siberia.

They may be in trouble this time.
Well, the next Olympiad is in Siberia, so they can spend time acclimitising ;)

Phil Bourke
24-11-2008, 11:28 AM
Is there a chance that Zhao will be 'rested' in the last round?

He has played 9 games, with Smerdon, Solomon and Johansen having played 8 while Xie has only 7. Given the understanding that all players deserve equal games, the line up for the match against Cuba may be minus Zhao to even the numbers up a little.

Can DJ get back into Board prize contention with a last round win?

pax
24-11-2008, 11:37 AM
Is there a chance that Zhao will be 'rested' in the last round?
None, unless he is sick.

Given the understanding that all players deserve equal games,
I don't believe there is any such understanding. It is very common for a player who is underperforming to play fewer games.


Can DJ get back into Board prize contention with a last round win?
The board prize lists on chess-results.com list players in order of rating performance. Is this a new criterion for the board prizes?! If it's by the old system, Darryl has a marginal chance of a minor medal (there are three players currently ahead of him on percentage and two others level).

Igor_Goldenberg
24-11-2008, 12:36 PM
Armenia is sharing the lead with Ukraine in the open. Under old system they would be 2 points ahead of the rest (almost guaranteed first place).
Another anomaly - Bulgaria with 26.5 points is sharing 18th (under old system they'd be sharing second).

In women section Poland is an outright leader. However, under old system they would be trailing USA and Georgia by 2 points. Nice to see Maia Chiburdnidze performing at almost 2700.

Ian Rout
24-11-2008, 12:56 PM
None, unless he is sick.

I don't believe there is any such understanding. It is very common for a player who is underperforming to play fewer games.
I think the "understanding" is that everybody will get a certain minimum number of games, seeing they are paying a fair part of their own costs. Certainly I know of no understanding that everybody will play the same number.

The more professional teams often use the reserves or lowest performing player much less than they use the top players. For instance Topalov has played every round for Bulgaria apart from the first two, and Cheparinov every single round, while Georgiev after losing the first two was benched for three rounds. Conquest has played only three for England.

Ivanchuk always plays every round as a point of principle, even when there were fourteen rounds.

pax
24-11-2008, 01:07 PM
World's worst marketing for a chess Olympiad?

http://www.dresden2008.de/site/en/marketing/images/image_plakat.jpg

Caption: Chess! It's a game for nerdy kids.

Igor_Goldenberg
24-11-2008, 01:15 PM
What is the time control?

Miranda
24-11-2008, 01:21 PM
That ad is crazy.

Are you sure the translation's right? :P

pax
24-11-2008, 01:23 PM
I think the "understanding" is that everybody will get a certain minimum number of games, seeing they are paying a fair part of their own costs. Certainly I know of no understanding that everybody will play the same number.

That's a fair point: you can't ask someone to (mostly) pay their own fare and then give them only three games..

Miranda
24-11-2008, 01:26 PM
That's a fair point: you can't ask someone to (mostly) pay their own fare and then give them only three games..
I guess it all just comes down to either you give the person another game, one last chance, to get what they paid for, or you sit that person out and hope that the person who replaced them wins their game!

WhiteElephant
24-11-2008, 02:13 PM
World's worst marketing for a chess Olympiad?

http://www.dresden2008.de/site/en/marketing/images/image_plakat.jpg

Caption: Chess! It's a game for nerdy kids.

Haha I love it. Very funny!

Miranda
24-11-2008, 02:16 PM
Haha I love it. Very funny!
To those that play chess: maybe
To those that don't: it just reinforces the stereotype! :P

WhiteElephant
24-11-2008, 02:23 PM
To those that play chess: maybe
To those that don't: it just reinforces the stereotype! :P

Yes I know what you mean. But....

Who is the target audience - chesssplayers or non-chessplayers?

It takes a certain coolness to be able to laugh at yourself - like people in retro suits at parties. They know it is not cool...but they've got the balls to wear them and it makes them cool.

Chess is thriving at schools and many sporty kids are into chess. That's a fact. So that ad is saying we know that we are becoming mainstream and we can take a joke.

I can see what you and pax are saying though....it's a risky ad but I like the concept.

Desmond
24-11-2008, 02:26 PM
They could have at least set the board up in a plausible position.

WhiteElephant
24-11-2008, 02:28 PM
They could have at least set the board up in a plausible position.

It's either to heighten piece visibility or the players are very bad at developing their pieces :D

Watto
24-11-2008, 02:42 PM
Yes I know what you mean. But....

Who is the target audience - chesssplayers or non-chessplayers?

It takes a certain coolness to be able to laugh at yourself - like people in retro suits at parties. They know it is not cool...but they've got the balls to wear them and it makes them cool.

Chess is thriving at schools and many sporty kids are into chess. That's a fact. So that ad is saying we know that we are becoming mainstream and we can take a joke.

I can see what you and pax are saying though....it's a risky ad but I like the concept.
I think it's a crap ad to be honest. Maybe it's just Monday but I didn't find it funny either. Regarding target audience, I feel like I'm in both camps I think: I'm a chessplayer these days but until a few years ago had never played chess, complete non-chessplayer. Either way, this ad would make me think it was a silly poster for a school tournament- a rich school with money to burn but not the world's most exciting international tournament.

There are so many wonderful, dramatic images out there, great faces of real chessplayers of all ages and nationalities - you could pick any number of Amiel's black and white photos or a combination of them and you'd have a much more compelling, dramatic image. I've seen some great posters from past olympiads. This poster, to me, is just lame.

Denis_Jessop
24-11-2008, 02:45 PM
Just in case anyone thought that Pax's caption translation was genuine, I'd point out that the caption at the bottom is:

"Dresden. We play one language."

That is fairly typical deep German philsophical expression :)

The words in white on the picture read:

"Every child is a genius
Every genius is a child."


That is either more German philosophy or a quote from someone but I'm not well enough versed in German literature to know. :) :hmm:

DJ

Adamski
24-11-2008, 02:45 PM
1) won at cricket

2) lost at League

3) lost at Union

Remember Phar Lap was a kiwi horse. Good stuff, David. It's great to see that a man who has attended AFL grand finals still has his heart in the good old Shaky Isles!:clap:

Watto
24-11-2008, 02:47 PM
Just in case anyone thought that Pax's caption translation was genuine, I'd point out that the caption at the bottom is:

"Dresden. We play one language."

That is fairly typical deep German philsophical expression :)

The words in white on the picture read:

"Every child is a genius
Every genius is a child."


That is either more German philosophy or a quote from someone but I'm not well enough versed in German literature to know. :) :hmm:

DJ
I knew that and I don't think the words in white improve matters! lol

pax
24-11-2008, 02:56 PM
This is a very useful site that runs every Olympiad: he calculates "true" performance ratings for every player and ranks them in various ways. Sargissian is the big performer so far, along with the Egyptian board 5.

http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2008/olympiadperfratings_men_en.shtml

Phil Bourke
24-11-2008, 03:04 PM
I think the "understanding" is that everybody will get a certain minimum number of games, seeing they are paying a fair part of their own costs. Certainly I know of no understanding that everybody will play the same number.

Thanks Ian and Pax. There is the opportunity for sense to prevail and go with the best team in pursuit of the best possible finish. On the DJ matter, for mine he deserves a win and hopefully a board prize. He has had a great tournament.

Ivanchuk_Fan
24-11-2008, 03:13 PM
Note: second number shown is age, 3rd number is rating, 4th is points, 5th is no. of games, and the 6th number given is the Performance Rating.

Australian men's team performances:

AUS 1 g Zhao Zong-Yuan 22 2567 5˝ 9 2599
AUS 2 m Smerdon David 24 2470 4 8 2467
AUS 3 m Solomon Stephen J 45 2470 4 8 2390
AUS 4 g Johansen Darryl K 49 2446 6˝ 8 2556
AUS 5 m Xie George Wendi 23 2403 3 7 2181

Australian women's team performances:

AUS 1 wm Caoili Arianne 21 2170 5 9 2329
AUS 2 Nguyen Thu Giang 23 2101 3˝ 8 2114
AUS 3 wm Moylan Laura 25 2114 3˝ 8 2083
AUS 4 wm Dekic Biljana N 58 2103 4˝ 8 2078
AUS 5 wf Oliver Shannon 22 1942 3˝ 7 1969

New Zealand men's team performances:

NZL 1 g Chandler Murray G 48 2515 5 9 2522
NZL 2 m Dive Russell John 42 2357 2 7 2176
NZL 3 f Smith Robert W 45 2316 ˝ 6 1860
NZL 4 f Nokes Roger I 50 2293 5˝ 9 2464
NZL 5 f Lukey Stephen G 2271 4 8 2262

New Zealand women's team performances:

NZL 1 wf Milligan Helen 46 1957 4 8 2121
NZL 2 wf Maroroa Sue 1938 3 8 1751
NZL 3 Gao Judy 14 1896 4˝ 8 2029
NZL 4 wc Smith Vivian J 1858 6 8 2062
NZL 5 wf Fairley Natasha 1803 2˝ 8 1640

Capablanca-Fan
24-11-2008, 03:13 PM
The words in white on the picture read:

"Every child is a genius
Every genius is a child."

That is either more German philosophy or a quote from someone but I'm not well enough versed in German literature to know. :) :hmm:
Or drivel.

Capablanca-Fan
24-11-2008, 03:16 PM
NZL 3 f Smith Robert W 45 2316 ˝ 6 1860
He's much older than that, probably about 10 years more.

Bill Gletsos
24-11-2008, 03:26 PM
He's much older than that, probably about 10 years more.Not according to the DOB FIDE have for him.
They show his YOB shown as 1963.

I believe he was born in 1956.

Capablanca-Fan
24-11-2008, 03:31 PM
Not according to the DOB FIDE have for him.
They show his YOB shown as 1963.
I know, but that's clearly wrong. I remember him through a few of my teenage years, and he definitely wasn't one; he was already editing NZ Chess, for example. There's no way he is just a year older than I, or a few years younger than TonyD for example; the latter is definitely younger.

Edit: just saw:

I believe he was born in 1956.
That's far more likely.

Ivanchuk_Fan
24-11-2008, 03:35 PM
Players with performance ratings over 2750 (men's olympiad):*

1 ARM 3 g Sargissian Gabriel 2642 8˝ 10 2911
2 ISR 1 g Gelfand Boris 2719 7 9 2870
3 ESP 2 g Vallejo Pons Francisco 2664 8˝ 10 2856
4 SVK 1 g Movsesian Sergei 2732 6˝ 8 2855
5 BLR 3 g Aleksandrov Aleksej 2617 7 8 2855
6 ENG 2 g Short Nigel D 2642 7 9 2847
7 BUL 1 g Topalov Veselin 2791 6˝ 8 2846
8 ARM 2 g Akopian Vladimir 2679 7˝ 10 2834
9 RUS 5 g Jakovenko Dmitry 2737 6˝ 8 2830
10 HUN 1 g Leko Peter 2747 6˝ 9 2822
11 UKR 4 g Efimenko Zahar 2680 6 8 2817
12 HUN 3 g Almasi Zoltan 2663 7 9 2812
13 GER2 1 g Meier Georg 2558 7 9 2809
14 ISR 5 g Rodshtein Maxim 2609 6˝ 8 2808
15 BUL 4 g Delchev Aleksander 2632 7 8 2801
16 MNE 4 g Blagojevic Dragisa 2522 7 8 2788
17 CHN 1 g Wang Yue 2736 6 9 2783
18 AZE 3 g Gashimov Vugar 2703 6 8 2783
19 GER1 4 g Fridman Daniel 2630 6˝ 9 2776
20 FRA 1 g Bacrot Etienne 2705 6 9 2774
21 GEO 1 g Jobava Baadur 2664 6 9 2774
22 GRE 2 g Kotronias Vasilios 2587 7˝ 10 2774
23 ESP 1 g Shirov Alexei 2726 6˝ 9 2771
24 SLO 1 g Beliavsky Alexander G 2619 6 9 2770
25 UZB 1 g Kasimdzhanov Rustam 2672 6 8 2765
26 EGY 5 f Abdel Razik Khaled 2406 7 8 2760
27 UKR 1 g Ivanchuk Vassily 2786 6 10 2757
28 SWE 3 g Hillarp Persson Tiger 2543 7 9 2754
29 CHN 5 g Li Chao B 2622 5˝ 7 2753
30 SRB 5 g Vuckovic Bojan 2561 6˝ 8 2751

* Two players obtained performance ratings over 2911, but these were on the basis of 1 game and therefore were not included.

Players with performance ratings over 2500 (women's olympiad):*

1 ECU 1 m Fierro Baquero Martha L 31 2361 7˝ 8 2738
2 GEO 1 g Chiburdanidze Maia 47 2489 6˝ 8 2711
3 SWE 1 g Cramling Pia 45 2550 7˝ 8 2702
4 CUB 4 wm Linares Napoles Oleiny 25 2261 8˝ 9 2646
5 POL 4 wm Majdan Joanna 20 2284 8˝ 10 2625
6 USA 2 m Zatonskih Anna 30 2440 7˝ 9 2622
7 CHN 1 wg Hou Yifan 14 2578 7 10 2592
8 AUT 1 m Moser Eva 26 2376 7˝ 9 2582
9 RUS 3 m Kosintseva Nadezhda 23 2468 7˝ 9 2581
10 POL 1 m Socko Monika 30 2434 6 9 2578
11 ARM 2 m Mkrtchian Lilit 26 2443 7˝ 10 2569
12 BUL 1 g Stefanova Antoaneta 29 2548 7 9 2557
13 UKR 5 wg Zdebskaja Natalia 22 2419 7 8 2548
14 NED 1 g Peng Zhaoqin 40 2455 6 9 2547
15 HUN 1 g Hoang Thanh Trang 28 2483 7 10 2546
16 GEO 5 m Khukhashvili Sopiko 23 2409 5 6 2546
17 GEO 2 m Dzagnidze Nana 21 2503 6˝ 9 2544
18 USA 3 wg Goletiani Rusudan 28 2359 8 10 2539
19 ITA 1 m Sedina Elena 40 2365 6 8 2539
20 USA 1 m Krush Irina 24 2452 6˝ 9 2537
21 UZB 5 Nodirjanova Nodira 2118 7 8 2534
22 UKR 2 wg Zhukova Natalia 29 2488 6 9 2532
23 SLO 1 m Muzychuk Anna 18 2508 7 10 2512
24 RUS 5 wg Pogonina Natalija 23 2474 5 6 2508

* One player obtained a performance rating over 2738, but these were on the basis of 1 game and therefore were not included.

This is not the first time that Sargissian has achieved a very high performance rating in a tournament - in the Zafra 2007 tournament, he scored 6.5/7 to achieve a performance rating over 3000.

Other notable results include Khaled Abdel Razik (2406) performing 356 points above his rating and Bomo Kigigha (1988) performing 359 points above his rating in the men's olympiad. And in the women's olympiad, Citra Dewi Aa (1802) performed 441 points above her rating, Cegmed Monhchuluun (1969) performed 429 points above her rating, and Nodira Nodirjanova (2118) performed 416 points above her rating.

Davidflude
24-11-2008, 05:46 PM
Good stuff, David. It's great to see that a man who has attended AFL grand finals still has his heart in the good old Shaky Isles!:clap:


I have attended eight Grand Finals. However the best was the year that I thought that Hawthorn did not have a chance. I went skiing in New Zealand.
Mount Hutt closed an hour early And I watched the Grand Final in the pub in Methven. Hawthorn won. It was a great day. Magic spring skiing until the wind rose. followed my magic AFL football.

Davidflude
24-11-2008, 05:52 PM
According to the web site the round starts at 11.00 rather than the usual 15.00
hours German time.

Alas I have to go to a meeting and will miss the early part of the games.

Bill Gletsos
24-11-2008, 06:06 PM
According to the web site the round starts at 11.00 rather than the usual 15.00
hours German time.

Alas I have to go to a meeting and will miss the early part of the games.Actually it starts at 10am German time.

Basil
24-11-2008, 06:41 PM
They could have at least set the board up in a plausible position.
Tromp gone wrong? :eek:

CameronD
24-11-2008, 07:05 PM
Tromp gone wrong? :eek:

Gunners specialty

Adamski
24-11-2008, 10:00 PM
I have attended eight Grand Finals. However the best was the year that I thought that Hawthorn did not have a chance. I went skiing in New Zealand.
Mount Hutt closed an hour early And I watched the Grand Final in the pub in Methven. Hawthorn won. It was a great day. Magic spring skiing until the wind rose. followed my magic AFL football.I supported Hawthorn in the last grand final which I enjoyed on the telly. Because, they were the underdogs of course. And they won convincingly!:clap:

Kevin Bonham
24-11-2008, 10:03 PM
I've changed the thread title to alert people to the early start. Will be nice to actually watch some games as I've hardly seen anything live all Olympiad!

Adamski
24-11-2008, 10:07 PM
I've changed the thread title to alert people to the early start. Will be nice to actually watch some games as I've hardly seen anything live all Olympiad!Sadly, it now clashes with the Big Board match in NSW between Norths and St. George.:(

BTW flukey, well done! Some excellent results there.

MichaelBaron
24-11-2008, 11:48 PM
Tough last round. Cuba is a strong team.

Kevin Bonham
25-11-2008, 12:02 AM
Tough last round. Cuba is a strong team.

An understatement there; this is a serious mismatch.

The inner logic of the Burstein system appears to be that we are overacheiving to be in our score group and have to be punished for our sins. There may be some argument for this since one of our players is performing well below rating and the rest roughly according to it, but despite this we are still placed slightly above our seeding at the moment. All the same it seems pretty unusual compared to the old days of playing teams with very similar game-point scores (who were usually of similar strength) in the final rounds.

Garvinator
25-11-2008, 12:25 AM
An understatement there; this is a serious mismatch.
Any chance the cubans will get deported. Looks like that is our best chance :whistle:

flukey
25-11-2008, 02:57 AM
NZ team to face Brazil is

1. Chandler
2. Dive
3. Nokes
4. Lukey

Roger needs to win as white for IM norm. It was originally thought he had the norm in the bag the previous round even if he lost, but then all the Oz and NZ experts recalculated and Roger was told he needed to draw. Unfortunately Roger's opponent from Turkey actually needed a win for his final GM norm!! So he was very happy!

As the team has scored a princely 1/2 out of 12 the last 3 rounds, it would be nice to finish on a high note.

Miranda
25-11-2008, 07:19 AM
Brazil is a fairly strong team - perhaps NZ could hope for 2-2?

Garvinator
25-11-2008, 07:41 AM
Brazil is a fairly strong team - perhaps NZ could hope for 2-2?
In these type of events, norms matter so much more than a team finishing a few positions higher on the ladder. So we will be cheering on Roger's norm chances.

I take the Aussies have nothing on offer in this dept from the fact that nobody has mentioned norm chances till now.

Ian Rout
25-11-2008, 09:24 AM
I take the Aussies have nothing on offer in this dept from the fact that nobody has mentioned norm chances till now.
Two Australians are already GMs and another has three norms so it would only be an issue with Solomon and Xie. Without calculating it, it's obvious that neither are anywhere near.

Miranda
25-11-2008, 09:26 AM
Doesn't Smerdon just have to get his rating to 2500 then he's a GM?

Igor_Goldenberg
25-11-2008, 09:35 AM
Doesn't Smerdon just have to get his rating to 2500 then he's a GM?
Exactly. That's why he doesn't need norms.
Generally, rating is harder to attain then reach the norms (with some weird exceptions:doh: )

Miranda
25-11-2008, 09:37 AM
Exactly. That's why he doesn't need norms.
Generally, rating is harder to attain then reach the norms (with some weird exceptions:doh: )
Is there a chance he'll be over 2500 after this Olympiad?

Adamski
25-11-2008, 09:42 AM
NZ team to face Brazil is

1. Chandler
2. Dive
3. Nokes
4. Lukey

Roger needs to win as white for IM norm. It was originally thought he had the norm in the bag the previous round even if he lost, but then all the Oz and NZ experts recalculated and Roger was told he needed to draw. Unfortunately Roger's opponent from Turkey actually needed a win for his final GM norm!! So he was very happy!

As the team has scored a princely 1/2 out of 12 the last 3 rounds, it would be nice to finish on a high note.Thanks, Stephen. Good luck, NZ. It would be great to see both the team win and Roger achieve his norm. Also good luck to Aus v Cuba. Chess is one sport where I am happy to support both NZ and Aus when they are not playing each other. Of course , if they do play, my Kiwi nationality means there's only one side I will support!

Miranda
25-11-2008, 09:55 AM
Chess is one sport where I am happy to support both NZ and Aus when they are not playing each other. Of course , if they do play, my Kiwi nationality means there's only one side I will support!
Of course that's the Aussie side, because they'll win anyway :)

Intuition
25-11-2008, 10:04 AM
Is there a chance he'll be over 2500 after this Olympiad?

no

Vlad
25-11-2008, 10:16 AM
14.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2567 - GM Bruzon Batista Lazaro 2623
14.2 IM Smerdon David 2470 - GM Quezada Perez Yuniesky 2580
14.3 GM Johansen Darryl K 2446 - GM Hernandez Carmenates Holden 2580
14.4 IM Xie George Wendi 2403 - GM Nogueiras Santiago Jesus 2574

Australia has a chance, not huge but a chance. Both best performers are with white. Yuan is capable of beating Bruzon and Darryl is capable of beating Hernandez. Hopefully we will see the real fighting chess tonight!

pax
25-11-2008, 10:27 AM
Zhao will be disappointed not to be playing Dominguez. Hopefully Cuba will pay a big penalty for underestimating Australia! :cool:

Igor_Goldenberg
25-11-2008, 10:31 AM
Zhao will be disappointed not to be playing Dominguez. Hopefully Cuba will pay a big penalty for underestimating Australia! :cool:
I don't think Holden is Darryl's favourite brand.

Desmond
25-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Doesn't Smerdon just have to get his rating to 2500 then he's a GM?If I'm not mistaken he is on track to drop a couple of points.

Vlad
25-11-2008, 11:14 AM
2 IM Smerdon David 2470 AUS 0 ˝ 1 0 0 ˝ 1 1 4,0 8 2468 4 4,02 -0,02 10 -0,2

That means David performs at 2468 (2 points be low his actual rating) so far, and only loses 0.2, which will be rounded to 0.

Ian Murray
25-11-2008, 11:58 AM
Note the error in the thread title. Final round tonight is 7pm AEST which is 8pm AEDT [fixed-mod]

Davidflude
25-11-2008, 12:17 PM
I don't think Holden is Darryl's favourite brand.

He drives a Renault.

Igor_Goldenberg
25-11-2008, 12:49 PM
He drives a Renault.
So, shouldn't have a problem with his opponent.

Watto
25-11-2008, 12:53 PM
If I'm not mistaken he is on track to drop a couple of points.
If not from the olympiad, then the Elwood weekender I think. He might have played another tournament I don't know about though.

MichaelBaron
25-11-2008, 02:03 PM
Zhao will be disappointed not to be playing Dominguez. Hopefully Cuba will pay a big penalty for underestimating Australia! :cool:

Cuba is still a clear favorite going into the tie :hmm:

Miranda
25-11-2008, 02:11 PM
Cuba is still a clear favorite going into the tie :hmm:
We'll win anyway :)

Intuition
25-11-2008, 06:41 PM
hate to get optimistic, but tonight might just be the dream round we have been waiting for...hope DJ wins! :D

WhiteElephant
25-11-2008, 06:46 PM
Ok I've got the games open. Let's go! Bring it!

Kevin Bonham
25-11-2008, 07:08 PM
Zhao will be disappointed not to be playing Dominguez. Hopefully Cuba will pay a big penalty for underestimating Australia! :cool:

It is strange that Cuba are doing that. In the previous rounds they have played Dominguez, Bruzon and Perez (1,2,3) every game, with Hernandez playing seven times and Nogueiras three - surprising since their board 5 at 2574 is still a strong grandmaster. Even when playing Venezuela who are seeded below us they played 1,2,3 in that order.

Igor_Goldenberg
25-11-2008, 08:18 PM
It is strange that Cuba are doing that. In the previous rounds they have played Dominguez, Bruzon and Perez (1,2,3) every game, with Hernandez playing seven times and Nogueiras three - surprising since their board 5 at 2574 is still a strong grandmaster. Even when playing Venezuela who are seeded below us they played 1,2,3 in that order.
They don't respect us

Kevin Bonham
25-11-2008, 09:00 PM
This is odd. An early game to finish in the final round was FM Elliott (JAM) - GM Ermenkov (PAL). This is the game score according to the site:

1. e4 c6 2. Ne2 d5 3. e5 c5 4. d4 Nc6 5. c3 cxd4 6. cxd4 Bg4 7. Nbc3 e6 8. Be3 Nge7 9. Qb3 Qd7 10. Ng3 Nf5 11. Nxf5 Bxf5 12. Be2 Be7 13. O-O Rf8 1-0

I am guessing that Ermenkov picked up his rook first intending to castle but the position is hardly resignable on account of that alone. Disgust or an incident?

Kevin Bonham
25-11-2008, 09:55 PM
Speaking of incidents, AR's live blog relates that a Gabon player showed up early then had to go to the toilet suddenly. While he was there the round started and he was declared to have forfeited for not being at the board; the whole team walked out.

Basil
25-11-2008, 09:58 PM
Speaking of incidents, AR's live blog relates that a Gabon player showed up early then had to go to the toilet suddenly. While he was there the round started and he was declared to have forfeited for not being at the board; the whole team walked out.
Damn straight. That's bullsh*t (if what occurred is indeed as reported and the player was clearly present).

Kevin Bonham
25-11-2008, 10:02 PM
The rules are:


7. Start and Finish of the Sessions

7.1 Five minutes before the start of each round, the Chief Arbiter must announce the approaching start of the session by a double acoustic signal; whereupon all Players are to be seated at their designated matches.

7.2 The beginning of the playing session shall be announced by the Chief Arbiter or by a single acoustic signal. At this instant, any Player who is not seated at his/her Match shall be defaulted immediately. Where both Players are absent at the beginning of the playing session, both Players shall lose the game by default.

7.3 Once the signal for the start of the round has been given, the clock of the player with the white pieces shall be started by his opponent or an Arbiter.

Doesn't look like the rules cut any slack for this example.

Kerry Stead
25-11-2008, 10:42 PM
Zhao-Bruzon looks like an interesting game. Zhao has Q+B v R+N+B, though looks like Bruzon is trying to set up a fortress ...

Garvinator
25-11-2008, 10:48 PM
Doesn't look like the rules cut any slack for this example.Agree or disagree with the decision, but isn't this exactly what appeal committees are for, instead of the whole team just getting up and walking out?

Basil
25-11-2008, 10:55 PM
Agree or disagree with the decision, but isn't this exactly what appeal committees are for, instead of the whole team just getting up and walking out?
Damn straight as well.

Kevin Bonham
25-11-2008, 10:59 PM
Agree or disagree with the decision, but isn't this exactly what appeal committees are for, instead of the whole team just getting up and walking out?

Appeal committee would have surely chucked it out. The rule (for once and for better or for worse) is black and white.

bobby1972
25-11-2008, 11:06 PM
hard to break for zhao ,the rook to h file incredible whats the idea ,now maybe f4 break but then what?.i hope he wins,make the pay for not playing domingo

MichaelBaron
26-11-2008, 02:30 AM
This is odd. An early game to finish in the final round was FM Elliott (JAM) - GM Ermenkov (PAL). This is the game score according to the site:

[?

In the official website the game is given as -+:hmm:

Kevin Bonham
26-11-2008, 07:56 AM
We have finished 57th (seeded 53rd) in the Open and 63rd (seeded 54th) in the Womens. Laura managed to draw her game despite being the exchange down for a long time. NZ women trounced Wales 3.5-0.5 in the final round and finished a place ahead of us. NZ men were beaten by Brazil and finished 97th.

Gringo
26-11-2008, 08:19 AM
NZ NZ NZ :eek:

Igor_Goldenberg
26-11-2008, 08:43 AM
Last night I thought that Ukraine is getting the gold(women), but it turned out to be Georgia. Well done!

Watto
26-11-2008, 08:59 AM
Agree or disagree with the decision, but isn't this exactly what appeal committees are for, instead of the whole team just getting up and walking out?
If things happened as Amiel described them, the team were forcefully expressing their disgust at a rule and decision which stinks. And good on them- under the circumstances it seems an entirely appropriate response. No doubt tempers have been rising throughout the tournament in relation to this rule. It was obviously a moment of high emotion and I doubt whether the drier option of an appeal process entered their heads. Especially since they and their opponents had already informally appealed to the arbiter’s good sense and been knocked back... :rolleyes:

Capablanca-Fan
26-11-2008, 09:03 AM
If things happened as Amiel described them, the team were forcefully expressing their disgust at a rule and decision which stinks. And good on them- under the circumstances it seems an entirely appropriate response. No doubt tempers have been rising throughout the tournament in relation to this rule. It was obviously a moment of high emotion and I doubt whether the drier option of an appeal process entered their heads. Especially since they and their opponents had already informally appealed to the arbiter’s good sense and been knocked back... :rolleyes:
The opponents also appealed? Of course, they travelled to play chess not win by forfeit. What a crappy rule, and what moronic arbiters.

Watto
26-11-2008, 09:19 AM
The opponents also appealed? Of course, they travelled to play chess not win by forfeit. What a crappy rule, and what moronic arbiters.
Yes. It's all in Amiel's live blog, from 10:47 onwards. Gabon's board 1 turned up before the start of play, sits down, meets and greets and shakes hand of his opponent. Only then does he bolt to the toilet. http://closetgrandmaster.blogspot.com/2008/11/live-blog-round-11.html

p.s. nice win by Zhao! :clap:

Desmond
26-11-2008, 09:59 AM
When you gotta go, you gotta go.

MichaelBaron
26-11-2008, 10:40 AM
Yes. It's all in Amiel's live blog, from 10:47 onwards. Gabon's board 1 turned up before the start of play, sits down, meets and greets and shakes hand of his opponent. Only then does he bolt to the toilet. [[/url]
:

Given the recent "toiletgate' between Topalov and Kramnik i think it makes more sence to substitute chairs for toilet seats. This way the problem will be eliminated in the first place :). By the way, there was a funny cartoon devoted to this suggestion at Chessbase website some time ago :)

Capablanca-Fan
26-11-2008, 11:36 AM
Yes. It's all in Amiel's live blog, from 10:47 onwards. Gabon's board 1 turned up before the start of play, sits down, meets and greets and shakes hand of his opponent. Only then does he bolt to the toilet.
I also blame the stupid match=point system for that: a 0–4 loss is jsut as costly as a 1˝–2˝ loss, so why bother playing after already dropping a point so unfairly?


p.s. nice win by Zhao! :clap:
Yes it was. Shame that Xie even managed to lose an endgame a P ahead.

Igor_Goldenberg
26-11-2008, 11:47 AM
Sargissian has the best performance 2869. Quite deservedly, as he was the main driving force behind Armenia success.

But I was once again convinced that performance rating calculation they use is flawed. If you beat someone with lower rating then the rest of your opponents, your performance actually goes down!

For example, FM Abdel (2406) from Egypt has a performance rating of 2597, which is impressive by itself. But pax's calculator shows 2717, which is closer to the truth. As a result he can be deprived of GM norm (9 games with 2600+ performance)

It's interesting to see a table of "true" performance, especially in comparison to their actual ratings.

Desmond
26-11-2008, 12:00 PM
Could someone please post Zhao's game?

Bill Gletsos
26-11-2008, 12:40 PM
Sargissian has the best performance 2869. Quite deservedly, as he was the main driving force behind Armenia success.

But I was once again convinced that performance rating calculation they use is flawed. If you beat someone with lower rating then the rest of your opponents, your performance actually goes down!This is correct. FIDE do not calculate performance ratings correctly.

For example, FM Abdel (2406) from Egypt has a performance rating of 2597, which is impressive by itself. But pax's calculator shows 2717, which is closer to the truth. As a result he can be deprived of GM norm (9 games with 2600+ performance)

It's interesting to see a table of "true" performance, especially in comparison to their actual ratings.As pax mentioned earlier you can find true performance ratings here (http://www.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2008/olympiadperfratings_men_perf_en.shtml).

Garrett
26-11-2008, 12:41 PM
[Event "38th Olympiad"]
[Site "Dresden GER"]
[Date "2008.11.25"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Zhao Zong Yuan"]
[Black "Bruzon Batista,L"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2567"]
[BlackElo "2622"]
[EventDate "2008.11.13"]
[ECO "D52"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. Bg5 Nbd7 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 Be7 8.
Bd3 dxc4 9. Bxc4 O-O 10. O-O b5 11. Bd3 Bb7 12. a3 a5 13. Rc1 Rc8 14. Qe2
b4 15. Bxf6 Nxf6 16. axb4 axb4 17. Na4 c5 18. dxc5 Qa5 19. Ne5 Qxa4 20. c6
Bxc6 21. Nxc6 Rxc6 22. Bb5 Rxc1 23. Bxa4 Rxf1+ 24. Kxf1 Rd8 25. Qc4 Kf8 26.
Ke2 h5 27. f3 g6 28. e4 Ra8 29. Qc6 Rd8 30. g3 h4 31. Qc7 hxg3 32. hxg3 Ra8
33. Bc6 Ra1 34. g4 Rc1 35. Qc8+ Kg7 36. Qb7 Kf8 37. e5 Ng8 38. Be4 Rh1 39.
Kd3 g5 40. Kc4 Kg7 41. Qa7 Rc1+ 42. Kb3 Rc5 43. Qb8 Rc1 44. Qb5 Nh6 45. Bc2
Rh1 46. Qd3 Ng8 47. Kc4 Kf8 48. Kb5 Kg7 49. b3 Kf8 50. Qe4 Rh4 51. Bd3 Kg7
52. Kc6 Kf8 53. Qe3 Rh3 54. Kd7 Kg7 55. Ke8 Rh8 56. Be4 Rh1 57. f4 gxf4 58.
Qxf4 1-0

Bill Gletsos
26-11-2008, 12:51 PM
For example, FM Abdel (2406) from Egypt has a performance rating of 2597, which is impressive by itself. But pax's calculator shows 2717, which is closer to the truth. As a result he can be deprived of GM norm (9 games with 2600+ performance)Yes FIDE's flawed method gives him a performance rating of only 2597.
The website pax and I referred to above gives a performance rating of 2708.
It uses the FIDE expectancy table based which is based on the normal distribution. Note however the FIDE website gives a formula that is actually for the logistic distribution.

Pax's calculator uses the logistic distribution which gives a performance rating of 2717.

Garvinator
26-11-2008, 12:55 PM
Yes FIDE's flawed method gives him a performance rating of only 2597.
The website pax and I referred to above gives a performance rating of 2708.
It uses the FIDE expectancy table based which is based on the normal distribution. Note however the FIDE website gives a formula that is actually for the logistic distribution.

Pax's calculator uses the logistic distribution which gives a performance rating of 2717.
Does all this mean that Abdul has been denied a GM norm that he 'correctly' earnt by performance otb?

Desmond
26-11-2008, 01:22 PM
Thanks Garret. Don't know why but the official site is showing the result as a draw.

Bill Gletsos
26-11-2008, 01:25 PM
Does all this mean that Abdul has been denied a GM norm that he 'correctly' earnt by performance otb?No.

I should have been clearer.

THE olympiad results site using a flawed method of calculating performance ratings gets a performance rating of 2597.
This is based on an average opponents rating of 2324 and an 83% winning score (+273) = 2597.
Note this uses the FIDE method but it does not take into account that a player can increase the rating of two opponents rated below 2250 to 2250 for a GM norm calculation.

Using the 2250 rating for the two lowest opponents increases his average opponents rating to 2383 and +273 gives a performance rating of 2656.
Since he achieved this in the Olympiad his 10 game norm is increased to a 20 game norm.

Note however that both of these performance ratings are well short of his true performance rating of 2700+.

Bill Gletsos
26-11-2008, 01:35 PM
Thanks Garret. Don't know why but the official site is showing the result as a draw.You are looking at the live games webpage and it has a note at the top saying:
"(The shown real time results are taken directly from the boards and might contain erronious)"

Based on the final position we assumed (correctly) last night that the kings had simply been incorrectly placed on the DGT at the end of the game.

The official site for results is http://schachlive.dresden2008.de/results.f.eng.html and it shows the result as 1-0.

Desmond
26-11-2008, 01:40 PM
OK thanks bill.

pax
26-11-2008, 04:50 PM
Sargissian has the best performance 2869. Quite deservedly, as he was the main driving force behind Armenia success.

But I was once again convinced that performance rating calculation they use is flawed. If you beat someone with lower rating then the rest of your opponents, your performance actually goes down!

For example, FM Abdel (2406) from Egypt has a performance rating of 2597, which is impressive by itself. But pax's calculator shows 2717, which is closer to the truth. As a result he can be deprived of GM norm (9 games with 2600+ performance)

It's interesting to see a table of "true" performance, especially in comparison to their actual ratings.

This page (http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2008/olympiadperfratings_men_perf_en.shtml) has the true performance rating rankings.

Adamski
26-11-2008, 04:59 PM
301 NZL 4 f Nokes Roger I 50 2293 5˝ 10 2417 91

Perf rating of 2417! :clap:

Did he get his IM norm?

Capablanca-Fan
26-11-2008, 05:39 PM
301 NZL 4 f Nokes Roger I 50 2293 5˝ 10 2417 91

Perf rating of 2417! :clap:

Did he get his IM norm?
Unfortunately, that requires a 2451 performance (http://www.chesscalculatorprogram.com/test_elo_perform.html); it was good enough for a WGM norm though (2401). :P

Miranda
26-11-2008, 05:46 PM
Unfortunately, that requires a 2451 performance (http://www.chesscalculatorprogram.com/test_elo_perform.html); it was good enough for a WGM norm though (2401). :P
I guess that leaves some hope for me!

Capablanca-Fan
26-11-2008, 05:47 PM
I guess that leaves some hope for me!
No, try for the higher one.

Miranda
26-11-2008, 06:13 PM
No, try for the higher one.
Sure, I'm aiming for World Champion someday. Best to have small goals along the way though ;)

Kevin Bonham
26-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Apologies to George for posting such a shocker but as this was being discussed in the shoutbox last night (and erroneously so by players stronger than me, one of whom made a rather silly put-your-engine-away type comment when his own analysis was wrong!) these are the moves of his time-trouble endgame disaster from the final round as transmitted. I would not be surprised if some of these moves were not in fact correct.

Noguieras-Xie

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 e6 3.Bf4 b6 4.e3 Bb7 5.Bd3 Be7 6.Nbd2 Nh5 7.Bg3 f5 8.Qe2 0-0 9.0-0 a5 10.Ne5 g6 11.f4 d6 12.Nef3 Nc6 13.a3 Nxg3 14.hxg3 Bf6 15.c3 Re8 16.e4 d5 17.exd5 exd5 18.Ne5 Ne7 19.g4 Qc8 20.gxf5 Nxf5 21.Qf3 Rf8 22.g4 Nd6 23.Qh3 c5 24.Ndf3 Ba6 25.Bxa6 Rxa6 26.Rad1 Ra7 27.Qg2 cxd4 28.Rxd4 Nc4 29.Qe2 Re7 30.Rf2 Qe6 31.Kg2 Nxe5 32.fxe5 Bxe5 33.Nxe5 Rxf2+ 34.Kxf2 Qxe5 35.Qxe5 Rxe5 36.b4 a4 37.b5 Re4 38.Rxe4 dxe4 39.c4 Kf7 40.c5 Ke6 41.c6 Kd5 1-0

Black may have better chances by keeping the queens on (eg 34...Qf6+) as while Black is a pawn up in the rook ending it looks pretty drawish. It is more so after ...a4 allowing b5. 37...Re4 is a blunder and also underlines something I am always saying in coaching: don't exchange into unclear pawn endings when you don't have to.

While White's 39.c4 wins, an easier win is 39.g5! This immobilises black's kingside pawns and white simply cleans up the e-pawn then prevails on the queenside.

41.c6?? is a blunder by white. 41.cxb6! wins because while black can take both b-pawns, it takes black five moves to do so, in which time white plays g5 shutting down the kingside, wins the a-pawn and gets his king to d4 or d5 (actually doesn't matter which, both win.) Getting the king to these squares not only prevents black's king from taking the a-pawn but also prevents black from even defending his own. (Going after black's h-pawn and queening the g-pawn would only draw as pointed out by Igor Goldenberg in the shoutbox, but white need not do that.)

After 41.c6?? Black can draw with the surprising ...h6! The black king sits on the third rank and white has no way through.

Of course these may well not be the moves that were played but it is worthwhile getting the analysis right anyway.


This page (http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2008/olympiadperfratings_men_perf_en.shtml) has the true performance rating rankings.

Australian Open team:

Zhao (2567) 2645
Smerdon (2470) 2437
Solomon (2470) 2390
Johansen (2446) 2500
Xie (2403) 2167

Australian Womens team:

Caoili (2170) 2261
Nguyen (2101) 2155
Moylan (2114) 2081
Dekic (2103) 2078
Oliver (1942) 1917

Looking at these TPRs our Open team on average performed 43 points below rating while our Womens team performed 12 points above. However the Womens team finished below seeding because they concentrated their better performances in the first half of the tournament rather than the more critical run home, whereas the Open team's result fairly reflected their performance.

I am pleased about Arianne's above-average result. There was a lot of cynicism about her in the wake of the last Olympiad where she recorded a poor result surrounded by off-board controversy, and there was suspicion that she was just scraping under the bar so far as the 20 games requirement was concerned for 2008, and once selected, would not take the event seriously. As it turned out she did compete in a number of lead-up events and has been a very credible board 1 for her team.

Igor_Goldenberg
26-11-2008, 07:07 PM
This page (http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2008/olympiadperfratings_men_perf_en.shtml) has the true performance rating rankings.
Thanks, Bill already provided a link

Metro
26-11-2008, 08:25 PM
Australian Open team:

Zhao (2567) 2645


It's fortunate for Australian chess that Zhao has come up to replace Rogers as the premier player(just in the nick of time):)

Kevin Bonham
26-11-2008, 08:39 PM
Shaun provides some additional info on the Gabon toilet forfeit.

Shaun writes:


However there was a delay to the start (probably no more than a minute) and their Board 1 had to answer an urgent call of nature. While he was gone, the round started and he was defaulted.

While it does appear under the rules that a delay to the announcement to start could still result in a player forfeiting, it is ridiculous to enforce the rule in this circumstance IMO.

CameronD
26-11-2008, 08:45 PM
Shaun provides some additional info on the Gabon toilet forfeit.

Shaun writes:



While it does appear under the rules that a delay to the announcement to start could still result in a player forfeiting, it is ridiculous to enforce the rule in this circumstance IMO.

Just wanted it to be noted that I'd said this would occur in the shoutbox a few days ago.

Capablanca-Fan
26-11-2008, 09:14 PM
Black may have better chances by keeping the queens on (eg 34...Qf6+) as while Black is a pawn up in the rook ending it looks pretty drawish.
My apologies to Boris for shoutbox.


Australian Open team:

Zhao (2567) 2645
Smerdon (2470) 2437
Solomon (2470) 2390
Johansen (2446) 2500
Xie (2403) 2167

Australian Womens team:

Caoili (2170) 2261
Nguyen (2101) 2155
Moylan (2114) 2081
Dekic (2103) 2078
Oliver (1942) 1917
The selection committee should be well pleased with their picks.

Miranda
26-11-2008, 10:07 PM
The forefit rule was a stupid idea in the first place - now it's just pathetic.

The round started late, therefore it was the organiser's fault. The guy shouldn't have been forefited.

Adamski
26-11-2008, 10:36 PM
The forefit rule was a stupid idea in the first place - now it's just pathetic.

The round started late, therefore it was the organiser's fault. The guy shouldn't have been forefited.Absolutely agree. (K)Night!

bobby1972
27-11-2008, 10:36 AM
final result 57 is that better than last few years,this is a young team and looks good for the future.

Desmond
27-11-2008, 10:41 AM
My apologies to Boris for shoutbox.Even a stopped clock... eh? ;)

Vlad
27-11-2008, 11:06 AM
...(and erroneously so by players stronger than me, one of whom made a rather silly put-your-engine-away type comment when his own analysis was wrong!) ...

I wander who was saying that, we all know that Kevin with the engine plays at least at 2900 level.:)

peter_parr
27-11-2008, 11:53 AM
Numerous regular reports on the Olympiad have been published in the Sydney Morning Herald.

Click here to read these and hundreds of other chess columns in the SMH.
News (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/newsindex.htm)

Any other regular coverage in major newspapers Australia wide?

pax
27-11-2008, 12:10 PM
Zhao should pick up another 10 rating points or so, and continue his march towards 2600.

WhiteElephant
27-11-2008, 12:19 PM
Did Ian ever get to 2600? I believe he was 2595 once but not sure if he got any higher?

Bill Gletsos
27-11-2008, 12:54 PM
Did Ian ever get to 2600? I believe he was 2595 once but not sure if he got any higher?Ian went past it.
He hit 2618 in the January 1999 FIDE list..

MichaelBaron
27-11-2008, 01:28 PM
Ian went past it.
He hit 2618 in the January 1999 FIDE list..

Ian was a chesspro. Zhao is just an amateur. For an amateur player - to play at such high level is simply amazing :clap:

bobby1972
27-11-2008, 01:43 PM
good point michael,what about the "full time" players we have many who are not even 2200.

MichaelBaron
27-11-2008, 01:50 PM
good point michael,what about the "full time" players we have many who are not even 2200.

They are not "full time players" they are professional chess bums :)

pax
27-11-2008, 02:21 PM
Ian went past it.
He hit 2618 in the January 1999 FIDE list..

Besides which, earlier in his career Rogers was well inside the World's top 100 at a time when the average rating of the top 100 was much lower.

MichaelBaron
27-11-2008, 02:42 PM
Anyway, lets not compare players from different generations. Purdy, Steiner, Jamieson, Rogers and Zhao are all the greates of Aus chess

Igor_Goldenberg
27-11-2008, 03:31 PM
Besides which, earlier in his career Rogers was well inside the World's top 100 at a time when the average rating of the top 100 was much lower.
I believe he was once inside top 50.

Capablanca-Fan
27-11-2008, 03:46 PM
What was NZ/Eng's Murray Chandler's best?

bobby1972
27-11-2008, 03:47 PM
"I believe he was once inside top 50."

igor lets not be religious about things ,the highest he ever got was 87 in the world.

Miranda
27-11-2008, 05:01 PM
"I believe he was once inside top 50."

igor lets not be religious about things ,the highest he ever got was 87 in the world.
Not like 87th in the world is a bad thing....

Watto
27-11-2008, 05:29 PM
"I believe he was once inside top 50."

igor lets not be religious about things ,the highest he ever got was 87 in the world.
That's interesting. I also had a vague idea he was once inside the top 50...

Bill Gletsos
27-11-2008, 05:37 PM
Ian was ranked 51st rated 2618 on the January 1999 list.

Capablanca-Fan
27-11-2008, 05:42 PM
Chessmetrics Player Profile: Murray Chandler (http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/PlayerProfile.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S021649000000 111000000000003710100)

Born: 1960-Apr
Best World Rank: #29 (4 different months between the January 1987 rating list and the May 1988 rating list )
Highest Rating: 2690 on the July 1988 rating list, #30 in world, age 28y3m
Best Individual Performance: 2750 in London, 1984, scoring 8/13 (62%) vs 2704-rated opposition

Career performances of 2800-2899:

(none)

Career performances of 2700-2799:

2750 in London, 1984, scoring 8/13 (62%) vs 2704-rated opposition
2717 in London, 1986, scoring 8/13 (62%) vs 2665-rated opposition
2717 in Novi Sad ol (Men [sic]), 1990, scoring 8/10 (80%) vs 2572-rated opposition
2710 in Dubai ol (Men [sic]), 1986, scoring 7/9 (78%) vs 2589-rated opposition
2708 in Amsterdam (OHRA), 1987, scoring 6/10 (60%) vs 2682-rated opposition
2705 in Moscow (GMA Qualifier), 1990, scoring 6.5/11 (59%) vs 2678-rated opposition
2701 in Germany (Bundesliga), 1990, scoring 7/9 (78%) vs 2578-rated opposition


Chessmetrics Player Profile: Ian Rogers (http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/PlayerProfile.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S110460000000 111000000000026110100)

Born: 1960-Jun
Best World Rank: #62 (on the February 1999 rating list)
Highest Rating: 2648 on the January 1992 rating list, #76 in world, age 31y7m
Best Individual Performance: 2683 in Groningen, 1989, scoring 6.5/9 (72%) vs 2588-rated opposition

Career performances of 2800-2899:

(none)

Career performances of 2700-2799:

(none)

Bill Gletsos
27-11-2008, 05:45 PM
He was ranked 61st rated 2600 on the July 1995 list.
He was ranked 61st rated 2600 on the January 1997 list.
He was ranked 66th rated 2600 on the July 1998 list.

Watto
27-11-2008, 05:55 PM
Ian was ranked 51st rated 2618 on the January 1999 list.
Ah, okay. Just outside then. Thanks Bill.

Garrett
27-11-2008, 05:58 PM
Cool thanks Jono

My PC is down (typing on a dirty old laptop) so does anyone know the Rogers-Chandler head to head ?

Cheers
Garrett.

Bill Gletsos
27-11-2008, 06:04 PM
Murray was ranked 14th on the January 1987 FIDE list with a rating of 2595.
On the Jan 1988 list he was ranked 25th rated 2590.
On the July 1988 list he was rated 2605 his highest ever rating.
On the Jan 1989 list he was ranked 24th rated 2600.
On the Jan 1990 list he was ranked 34th rated 2585.

Capablanca-Fan
27-11-2008, 06:41 PM
My PC is down (typing on a dirty old laptop) so does anyone know the Rogers-Chandler head to head ?
According to Chessgames.com, Murray Chandler beat Ian Rogers 4 to 1, with 6 draws (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?yearcomp=exactly&year=&playercomp=either&pid=&player=chandler&pid2=&player2=rogers&movescomp=exactly&moves=&opening=&eco=&result=) which sounds about right.

Leonid Sandler
27-11-2008, 07:33 PM
A lot of different prizes had been awarded in Dresden.One more result is worth mentioning.The Gold medal for the best performance of husband/wife team (my idea) without a doubts should be awarded to my former student German(formerly from Latvia)Grandmaster Daniel Fridman(ELO 2630) who won bronze medal on board four scoring 7 points from 10 games (performance rating 2741).His wife International master, USA womens champion 2008 Anna Zatonskih ELO 2440 (originally from Ukraine) won gold medal on board two scoring 8 points from 10 games with performance rating 2571.Baby daughter of the golden couple now can play with 3 medals(one more bronze medal Zatonskih won with USA ladies team).
Well done guys!

Bill Gletsos
27-11-2008, 08:24 PM
According to Chessgames.com, Murray Chandler beat Ian Rogers 4 to 1, with 6 draws (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?yearcomp=exactly&year=&playercomp=either&pid=&player=chandler&pid2=&player2=rogers&movescomp=exactly&moves=&opening=&eco=&result=) which sounds about right.According to Megabase 2008 Murray has a +5 -3 =8 result against Ian.

Capablanca-Fan
28-11-2008, 09:27 AM
Thanx Bill

BTW, do you have an opinion on the relative merits of Chessmetrics v FIDE ratings?

Adamski
28-11-2008, 10:20 AM
Chessmetrics Player Profile: Murray Chandler (http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/PlayerProfile.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S021649000000 111000000000003710100)

Born: 1960-Apr
Best World Rank: #29 (4 different months between the January 1987 rating list and the May 1988 rating list )
Highest Rating: 2690 on the July 1988 rating list, #30 in world, age 28y3m
Best Individual Performance: 2750 in London, 1984, scoring 8/13 (62%) vs 2704-rated opposition

Career performances of 2800-2899:

(none)

Career performances of 2700-2799:

2750 in London, 1984, scoring 8/13 (62%) vs 2704-rated opposition
2717 in London, 1986, scoring 8/13 (62%) vs 2665-rated opposition
2717 in Novi Sad ol (Men [sic]), 1990, scoring 8/10 (80%) vs 2572-rated opposition
2710 in Dubai ol (Men [sic]), 1986, scoring 7/9 (78%) vs 2589-rated opposition
2708 in Amsterdam (OHRA), 1987, scoring 6/10 (60%) vs 2682-rated opposition
2705 in Moscow (GMA Qualifier), 1990, scoring 6.5/11 (59%) vs 2678-rated opposition
2701 in Germany (Bundesliga), 1990, scoring 7/9 (78%) vs 2578-rated opposition


Chessmetrics Player Profile: Ian Rogers (http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/PlayerProfile.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S110460000000 111000000000026110100)

Born: 1960-Jun
Best World Rank: #62 (on the February 1999 rating list)
Highest Rating: 2648 on the January 1992 rating list, #76 in world, age 31y7m
Best Individual Performance: 2683 in Groningen, 1989, scoring 6.5/9 (72%) vs 2588-rated opposition

Career performances of 2800-2899:

(none)

Career performances of 2700-2799:

(none)
Interesting, Jono. To save me looking it up, what is Chandler's current rating? I see from Bill's post that Rogers' stayed fairly constant, 1995-98.

Dougy
28-11-2008, 10:22 AM
Is there a site where I can find the history of Australia's participation in the Olympiad?

MichaelBaron
28-11-2008, 10:24 AM
Well Chandler was clearly stronger than Rogers at his peak. However, Rogers has probably been more consistent over the years.

Watto
28-11-2008, 10:25 AM
Is there a site where I can find the history of Australia's participation in the Olympiad?
This one is pretty good. http://www.olimpbase.org/

Kevin Bonham
28-11-2008, 10:26 AM
Is there a site where I can find the history of Australia's participation in the Olympiad?

http://www.olimpbase.org/ has extremely comprehensive info about past olympiads for all teams. Not sure where the best potted online summary for Australia is, though there was some basic summary data on the Olympiad Appeal website.

Watto
28-11-2008, 10:37 AM
http://www.olimpbase.org/ has extremely comprehensive info about past olympiads for all teams. Not sure where the best potted online summary for Australia is, though there was some basic summary data on the Olympiad Appeal website.
You can get good individual data (on one page) at olimpbase of all Australians who have ever competed by selecting Australia and Individual Record. You can find a complete list of where Australia has placed by selecting Team Record.

EDIT: Go to Players and Teams in the right hand column
Select Team List
Select Australia (also have Australia B, C and D)
And then select Team Record or Individual Record ... :)
If you want to see more detail, click on particular players.

Adamski
28-11-2008, 10:39 AM
You can get good individual data (on one page) at olimpbase of all Australians who have ever competed by selecting Australia and Individual Record. You can find a complete list of where Australia has placed by selecting Team Record.It's good but I notice that 2008 hasn't made it into the results yet in the stats. E.g. I checked Murray Chandler and NZ entries - no 2008.

Capablanca-Fan
28-11-2008, 11:05 AM
Well Chandler was clearly stronger than Rogers at his peak. However, Rogers has probably been more consistent over the years.
How so? Chessmetrics' monthly rating lists have Chandler 2600+= from May–Sept 1981 and March 1982 to May 1994, and most of those months he was easily within the top-100. Rogers was 2600+ for most months from Oct 1986 to Feb 2000, and outside the top 100 for more of them.

Ian Murray
28-11-2008, 11:41 AM
http://www.olimpbase.org/ has extremely comprehensive info about past olympiads for all teams. Not sure where the best potted online summary for Australia is, though there was some basic summary data on the Olympiad Appeal website.
Olimpbase is the definitive site. For at-a-glance results see www.caq.org.au/olympiad/Historical_results.htm

MichaelBaron
28-11-2008, 12:21 PM
How so? Chessmetrics' monthly rating lists have Chandler 2600+= from May–Sept 1981 and March 1982 to May 1994, and most of those months he was easily within the top-100. Rogers was 2600+ for most months from Oct 1986 to Feb 2000, and outside the top 100 for more of them.

They are both around same age...Rogers has been consistently playing at a high level since mid 1980's.. till retirement. Chandlers top results appear to end back in mid 1990's

Capablanca-Fan
28-11-2008, 01:26 PM
They are both around same age...Rogers has been consistently playing at a high level since mid 1980's.. till retirement. Chandlers top results appear to end back in mid 1990's
Yet he was 2600+ for 12 years, mostly within the top 100 and quite often within top 50, and had several 2700+ performances. Rogers never achieved top 50 or 2700+ performances.

Chandler semi-retired from active play in the mid-90s, editing British Chess Magazine then co-founding Gambit Publications. But even later, from Cct 2000 Chandler recovered to 2500+ and never dropped below that, and he went ahead of Rogers again from Oct 2004 to Jan 2005 when the lists stop.

Dougy
28-11-2008, 02:16 PM
This one is pretty good. http://www.olimpbase.org/

Thanks! That's just what I was after.

Igor_Goldenberg
28-11-2008, 04:28 PM
Yet he was 2600+ for 12 years, mostly within the top 100 and quite often within top 50, and had several 2700+ performances. Rogers never achieved top 50 or 2700+ performances.

Chandler semi-retired from active play in the mid-90s, editing British Chess Magazine then co-founding Gambit Publications. But even later, from Cct 2000 Chandler recovered to 2500+ and never dropped below that, and he went ahead of Rogers again from Oct 2004 to Jan 2005 when the lists stop.

1. Chessmetrics methodology is not unquestionable.
2. Chandler had higher results then Rogers in 1980s, beginning of 90s, Rogers had higher results from mid 90-s until retirement. It can be argued how Rogers' peak compares to Chandler's, IMO they are quite close.
3. Aus champ 2006 was clearly 2700+ performance for Rogers

Capablanca-Fan
28-11-2008, 04:44 PM
1. Chessmetrics methodology is not unquestionable.
Sure; a while ago we discovered that Chessmetrics rated a Rice Gambit match which Lasker lost to Chigorin entirely because he was forced to play that crappy opening. But it shouldn't be too bad for relative rankings of players in the same era.


2. Chandler had higher results then Rogers in 1980s, beginning of 90s, Rogers had higher results from mid 90-s until retirement. It can be argued how Rogers' peak compares to Chandler's, IMO they are quite close.
Chandler reached a higher world ranking on the FIDE list, and was one of the best non-Soviet players. He certainly peaked earlier than Rogers. Chandler had a plus score against Rogers as well.


3. Aus champ 2006 was clearly 2700+ performance for Rogers
Was it really? I remember he played outstandingly there and beat Chandler.

Solo
29-11-2008, 12:23 AM
Apologies to George for posting such a shocker but as this was being discussed in the shoutbox last night (and erroneously so by players stronger than me, one of whom made a rather silly put-your-engine-away type comment when his own analysis was wrong!) these are the moves of his time-trouble endgame disaster from the final round as transmitted. I would not be surprised if some of these moves were not in fact correct.

Noguieras-Xie

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 e6 3.Bf4 b6 4.e3 Bb7 5.Bd3 Be7 6.Nbd2 Nh5 7.Bg3 f5 8.Qe2 0-0 9.0-0 a5 10.Ne5 g6 11.f4 d6 12.Nef3 Nc6 13.a3 Nxg3 14.hxg3 Bf6 15.c3 Re8 16.e4 d5 17.exd5 exd5 18.Ne5 Ne7 19.g4 Qc8 20.gxf5 Nxf5 21.Qf3 Rf8 22.g4 Nd6 23.Qh3 c5 24.Ndf3 Ba6 25.Bxa6 Rxa6 26.Rad1 Ra7 27.Qg2 cxd4 28.Rxd4 Nc4 29.Qe2 Re7 30.Rf2 Qe6 31.Kg2 Nxe5 32.fxe5 Bxe5 33.Nxe5 Rxf2+ 34.Kxf2 Qxe5 35.Qxe5 Rxe5 36.b4 a4 37.b5 Re4 38.Rxe4 dxe4 39.c4 Kf7 40.c5 Ke6 41.c6 Kd5 1-0

Black may have better chances by keeping the queens on (eg 34...Qf6+) as while Black is a pawn up in the rook ending it looks pretty drawish. It is more so after ...a4 allowing b5. 37...Re4 is a blunder and also underlines something I am always saying in coaching: don't exchange into unclear pawn endings when you don't have to.

While White's 39.c4 wins, an easier win is 39.g5! This immobilises black's kingside pawns and white simply cleans up the e-pawn then prevails on the queenside.

41.c6?? is a blunder by white. 41.cxb6! wins because while black can take both b-pawns, it takes black five moves to do so, in which time white plays g5 shutting down the kingside, wins the a-pawn and gets his king to d4 or d5 (actually doesn't matter which, both win.) Getting the king to these squares not only prevents black's king from taking the a-pawn but also prevents black from even defending his own. (Going after black's h-pawn and queening the g-pawn would only draw as pointed out by Igor Goldenberg in the shoutbox, but white need not do that.)

After 41.c6?? Black can draw with the surprising ...h6! The black king sits on the third rank and white has no way through.

Of course these may well not be the moves that were played but it is worthwhile getting the analysis right anyway.



Australian Open team:

Zhao (2567) 2645
Smerdon (2470) 2437
Solomon (2470) 2390
Johansen (2446) 2500
Xie (2403) 2167

Australian Womens team:

Caoili (2170) 2261
Nguyen (2101) 2155
Moylan (2114) 2081
Dekic (2103) 2078
Oliver (1942) 1917

Looking at these TPRs our Open team on average performed 43 points below rating while our Womens team performed 12 points above. However the Womens team finished below seeding because they concentrated their better performances in the first half of the tournament rather than the more critical run home, whereas the Open team's result fairly reflected their performance.

I am pleased about Arianne's above-average result. There was a lot of cynicism about her in the wake of the last Olympiad where she recorded a poor result surrounded by off-board controversy, and there was suspicion that she was just scraping under the bar so far as the 20 games requirement was concerned for 2008, and once selected, would not take the event seriously. As it turned out she did compete in a number of lead-up events and has been a very credible board 1 for her team.
Well done Kevin, correct on all counts re the Pawn ending. George resigned after 41.c6 and we were all watching, and none of us realized that 41. ... h6 drew! 41. cxb6 wins after 41. ... Kd7 42. g5 Kc8 43. Ke3 Kb7 44. Kxe4 Kxb6 45. Kd4 Kxb5 46. Kd5 and White squeezes Black's King out with zugzwangs and wins the a-Pawn and the game. 39. g5! would be a much easier win.

Solo
29-11-2008, 01:09 AM
Solomon - Laznicka, Round 1 Aus - Czech Rep

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Bd3 d5 8.O-O Nf6 9.Re1 Be7 10.e5 Nd7 11.Qg4 g6 12.Na4 h5 13.Qe2 Nb6 14.Nxb6 Qxb6 15.c4 d4 16.Be4 Rb8 17.Bf4 c5 18.b3 Bb7 19.Qd2 Qd8 20.Qd3 h4 21.h3 Kf8 22.Bxg6 fxg6 23.Qxg6 Qe8 24.Bh6+ Rxh6 25.Qxh6+ Kg8 26.Qxe6+ Kh7 27.Qg4 {if 27. f4 Black can perpetual White's Q with ...Bc8 - b7 etc. I was playing for a win ...} Qg6 28.f4 Rg8 29.Qxg6+ {...but missed here after my intended 29. f5 Qxg4 30.hxg4 Rxg4 31.f6 Rxg2+ 32.Kf1, which I thought was very strong for White, that Black has 32. ... h3 and is faster.} Kxg6 30.Rad1 Kf5 {Now Black is just winning.} 31.Rd2 Rg3 32.e6 d3 33.Rf2 Be4 34.Kf1 Rg6 35.Re3 Rxe6 36.Rd2 Bxg2+ 37.Kf2 Be4 38.a3 Bf6 39.Rexd3 Bxd3 40.Rxd3 Bd4+ 41.Kf1 Ke4 42.Rd1 Rg6 43.f5 Rg3 44.Ke2 Rxb3 0-1

Zong Yuan had a great Olympiad and could have done even better. I think he also sacrificed points in trying for more for the team. He would not normally have lost that game in round 2 to El Salvador, but tried too hard to win. He would normally have played on in a couple of his draws as well, yet he still performed at 2630!

It was the best conditions of the 8 Olympiads I've been to. Thanks to all, and to whoever was responsible for Australia staying in the premium hotel next to the venue!

Metro
29-11-2008, 01:16 AM
Zong Yuan had a great Olympiad and could have done even better. I think he also sacrificed points in trying for more for the team. He would not normally have lost that game in round 2 to El Salvador, but tried too hard to win. He would normally have played on in a couple of his draws as well, yet he still performed at 2630!

It was the best conditions of the 8 Olympiads I've been to. Thanks to all, and to whoever was responsible for Australia staying in the premium hotel next to the venue!

Any highlights or funny moments to share,Solo?:D

Basil
29-11-2008, 01:29 AM
Stephen, have you considered supplying FIDE with a more recent photo? ;)

Solo
29-11-2008, 02:35 AM
Any highlights or funny moments to share,Solo?:D
I'm not starting gossip here; talk to Smurf:uhoh: - or Manuel or Gary:D I loved the snow!

Solo
29-11-2008, 02:40 AM
Stephen, have you considered supplying FIDE with a more recent photo? ;)
Like the one on my CP?:D Btw, how do you get a photo on the avatar? Actually I haven't looked at the one Fide is using.

Basil
29-11-2008, 02:54 AM
Like the one on my CP?:D Btw, how do you get a photo on the avatar?
I see you have a picture against your profile (the grinning one!).

You must have uploaded that by going to the top left of the ChessChat home page and clicking on User CP > edit profile. Well, to add an avatar (different from profile picture), go to User CP> edit avatar instead.

Basil
29-11-2008, 03:03 AM
Actually I haven't looked at the one Fide is using.
My mistake. FIDE doesn't have a photo for you. This (http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3200043) is their page of you.

I should have originally referred to Dresden's image of you which is/ was
this one (http://www.chesschat.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1173&stc=1&d=1227891737) which is just a tad out of date :P

Solo
29-11-2008, 03:12 AM
Solomon - Ozanne, Round 4 Aus - Guernsey

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 Qc7 9.O-O-O Nbd7 10.Bd3 h6 {The Browne system, named after Walter Shaun Browne, an Aussie who moved to US around 1970 and became a GM} 11.Bh4 g5 12.fxg5 Ne5 13.Qe2 Nfg4 14.Nf3 hxg5 15.Bxg5 {after this White is a Pawn up but has to defend patiently for a while. More common is 15.Bg3} Bxg5+ 16.Nxg5 Qc5 17.Nh3 {I was looking for something tactical here because as White I didn't want to fall back into complete defence mode. Later I found on the database some games going 17.Nf3 Nf2 18. Na4 Qa7 19.Nxe5 dxe5 20.Bb5+ etc. Best play then seems to lead to a draw. Of course there is nothing wrong with defence.} b5 18.Rdf1 b4 19.Nd1 a5 20.Nf4 a4 21.h3 Nxd3+? {After 21. ...b3! the chances are even} 22.Nxd3 Qg5+ 23.Qd2 Qxd2+ 24.Kxd2 Ne5 25.Nxb4 Bb7 26.Nc3 f5 27.exf5 {I was thinking an amusing thing here: this is the second game in a row where I am playing PxP sacrificing the exchange by allowing my opponent to capture my unmoved Rook with their light squared Bishop! And an even more curious thought came to me a couple of moves later!} Bxg2 28.fxe6 Bxh1 29.Rxh1 O-O {Here it is! Black has Castled in a position where the only pieces he hasn't moved are his King and both Rooks, and he could have castled either way! He has moved all his Pawns and his other pieces. I wonder if that is a record?Anyway, his position is grave!} 30.Ncd5 Rf2+ 31.Ke3 Rf3+ 32.Ke2 Rg3 33.e7 Rg2+ 34.Kf1 Rd2 35.Nc7 Kf7 36.Nxa8 Nf3 37.Nd5 1-0

Miranda
29-11-2008, 07:23 AM
Nice game!

Igor_Goldenberg
29-11-2008, 12:55 PM
Solomon - Laznicka, Round 1 Aus - Czech Rep

When I looked at the game I thought white is better after 27.f4, but didn't see perpetual (and thus didn't understand 27.Qg4)
Do you think Laznicka would force a draw after 27.f4 or would he play on?

antichrist
29-11-2008, 02:09 PM
Arianne Caoili had to perform well coz her Armenian boyfriend was watching. She may have been ditched if she did another sleeper!

Metro
30-11-2008, 07:13 PM
I'm not starting gossip here; talk to Smurf:uhoh: - or Manuel or Gary:D I loved the snow!
I didn't ask for gossip.